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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3212
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Cedric Lazy Stint wrote: »
    I'm with you there, that party in the graveyard was a disgrace. And big crowds at funerals etc is plain ridiculous too. All adults and all should be held accountable just like everyone else.

    Not picking a row but students have been a target since September 2020. You want to target someone have a go at Harris. Students were told they would be on campus at the start of term. Deposits paid, fees paid etc. Fast forward a few weeks all online. I don't believe for one second that Harris wasn't aware that was going to happen.
    Also many students that are in Uni/college towns at the moment have no choice as internet coverage in much of the country for want of a better word is sh!t.
    My own son is registered with LIT and is in accommodation near the IT but hasn't been on campus since Oct last.
    I'm pretty sick of seeing one group in society getting the blame for what is mainly a fcukup by government and its agencies for what is going on in the country.


  • #3213
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    BBC reporting that Italy has blocked the export of 250,000 AZ vaccine doses to Australia.
    Considering what Italy went through whilst I don't agree I understand the motivation.


  • #3214
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    BBC reporting that Italy has blocked the export of 250,000 AZ vaccine doses to Australia.
    Considering what Italy went through whilst I don't agree I understand the motivation.
    AZ not hitting targets in Q1, regularly changing those supply delivers and unlikely to do so in Q2 doesn't win them any friends at all in the EU. They are well within their rights to do this.


  • #3215
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    is_that_so wrote: »
    AZ not hitting targets in Q1, regularly changing those supply delivers and unlikely to do so in Q2 doesn't win them any friends at all in the EU. They are well within their rights to do this.

    As I said I understand, on the plus side I 'm sure the Aussies can wait. Zero Covid is easy for them to implement not so much for a large union of countries with varying policies.


  • #3216
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,290 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I would suspect HCW being vaccinated has played a large part in driving down numbers. People have gone to hospital as a non Covid patient , contracted the virus and I know of one person who ended up in ICU after contracting it in hospital. He went in with a heart issue. I only learned yesterday this is what happened to a former colleague of mine.

    More stories :rolleyes:


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  • #3217
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Sensitive ? not at all, I haven't seen the same outrage displayed on the media about large gatherings in graveyards or religious gatherings either. Students however are fair game it seems.

    People are grieving at funerals so its more understandable that they may make poor decisions under that stress. Students partying is much different


  • #3218
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    More stories :rolleyes:

    There have been many outbreaks in hospitals.


  • #3219
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    More stories :rolleyes:

    Hospital acquired infection is a well known phenomenon wrt covid-19.
    There's plenty of data supporting it even from the HSE.


  • #3220
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    wadacrack wrote: »
    People are grieving at funerals so its more understandable that they may make poor decisions under that stress. Students partying is much different

    Grieving.....oookkk....https://www.independent.ie/news/gardai-called-to-cemetery-as-crowd-gathers-to-celebrate-deceaseds-birthday-with-loud-music-40141924.html
    Interesting the difference in approach. I don't remember the Justice minister or Higher education minister or any minister for that matter offering their outrage and disgust. Fines, essays anyone know?Thumbleweeds..........


  • #3221
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,290 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Not picking a row but students have been a target since September 2020. You want to target someone have a go at Harris. Students were told they would be on campus at the start of term. Deposits paid, fees paid etc. Fast forward a few weeks all online. I don't believe for one second that Harris wasn't aware that was going to happen.
    Also many students that are in Uni/college towns at the moment have no choice as internet coverage in much of the country for want of a better word is sh!t.
    My own son is registered with LIT and is in accommodation near the IT but hasn't been on campus since Oct last.
    I'm pretty sick of seeing one group in society getting the blame for what is mainly a fcukup by government and its agencies for what is going on in the country.

    I agree with this post however!

    It was down right disgraceful that so many landlords allowed take a years money from parents /students and not obliged to return it.
    Provision should have been made to either compensate students for this or the landlords, whoever took the hit.


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  • #3222
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    BBC reporting that Italy has blocked the export of 250,000 AZ vaccine doses to Australia.
    Considering what Italy went through whilst I don't agree I understand the motivation.

    Could someone explain what this means in more detail?? What does blocking exactly mean? Like product is on a boat and the boats are not allowed leave the country??! Or am I way off?


  • #3223
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Could someone explain what this means in more detail?? What does blocking exactly mean? Like product is on a boat and the boats are not allowed leave the country??! Or am I way off?

    Products wouldn't have made it on to a boat before clearing customs.


  • #3224
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,290 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    seamus wrote: »
    ICU seems to be dropping faster than I expected, and it's not down to deaths. I wonder is the low # of ICU admissions a reflection of the at-risk cohorts having been vaccinated?

    Admissions to ICU have been reducing week on week for the last month and a lot of people have died in ICU among those severely ill. Others less so are now moving to Covid wards. Still a lot of extremely sick people in ICU but thankfully decreasing.


  • #3225
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    BBC reporting that Italy has blocked the export of 250,000 AZ vaccine doses to Australia.
    Considering what Italy went through whilst I don't agree I understand the motivation.

    Covid isn't the issue in Australia that it is in Europe. Maybe not the worst course of action.


  • #3226
    Marty Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I would suspect HCW being vaccinated has played a large part in driving down numbers. People have gone to hospital as a non Covid patient , contracted the virus and I know of one person who ended up in ICU after contracting it in hospital. He went in with a heart issue. I only learned yesterday this is what happened to a former colleague of mine.

    I was only speaking to someone yesterday and they told me that their dad was the same went in for a hip procedure got the virus in hospital and nearly killed him.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • #3227
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,290 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Hospital acquired infection is a well known phenomenon wrt covid-19.
    There's plenty of data supporting it even from the HSE.

    Yes but the implication is in that post was all HCW infection which is astoundingly stupid.
    As a HCW I will not accept FB like posts and anecdotes that undermine all the good work done in our hospitals.
    Every effort is made to prevent transmission but it was very difficult to prevent when community transmission was so high.
    Anywhere you get breakouts one of the questions people should be asking is could this be prevented by reducing those infected in the first place.
    Impossible in a hospital environment.


  • #3228
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Could someone explain what this means in more detail?? What does blocking exactly mean? Like product is on a boat and the boats are not allowed leave the country??! Or am I way off?

    A mechanism under which vaccine suppliers would need to gain authorisation for exports out of the EU was drawn up amid concerns that doses made within the bloc were being delivered to the UK.

    Ursula von der Leyen, the commission president, had privately assured the 27 EU heads of state and government at a summit last week that exports would be prevented in cases where suppliers were not fulfilling their contractual obligations.


  • #3229
    Shelby Foote
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 119 ✭✭Shelby Foote


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Admissions to ICU have been reducing week on week for the last month and a lot of people have died in ICU among those severely ill. Others less so are now moving to Covid wards. Still a lot of extremely sick people in ICU but thankfully decreasing.

    Yes 107 still in ICU. We maxed at 223 in January. So we're still just a little under 50% of a high figure. It's starting to drop more quickly.

    If deaths, cases, ICU numbers weren't down to what they are on the 4th March after over 2 months of level 5 it would all be a cod!! Sometimes I don't get the whooping and hollering over lowering figures, it's what you'd naturally expect.

    It's a bit like saying the sun rose at 7:07 and will set at 18:14 today. Last week it was 7:24 and 17:56. Hurray!! Followed by 30 thanks.


  • #3230
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Shelby Foote wrote: »
    Yes 107 still in ICU. We maxed at 223 in January. So we're still just a little under 50% of a high figure. It's starting to drop more quickly.

    If deaths, cases, ICU numbers weren't down to what they are on the 4th March after over 2 months of level 5 it would all be a cod!! Sometimes I don't get the whooping and hollering over lowering figures, it's what you'd naturally expect.

    It's a bit like saying the sub rose at 7:07 and will set at 18:14 today. Last week it was 7:24 and 17:56. Hurray!! Followed by 30 thanks.
    It is what you'd expect but it's also a key metric that will inform government decisions over the next while.


  • #3231
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    A mechanism under which vaccine suppliers would need to gain authorisation for exports out of the EU was drawn up amid concerns that doses made within the bloc were being delivered to the UK.

    Ursula von der Leyen, the commission president, had privately assured the 27 EU heads of state and government at a summit last week that exports would be prevented in cases where suppliers were not fulfilling their contractual obligations.

    Not so much vaccine nationalism. more vaccine supranationalism. Much nicer that.


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  • #3232
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,290 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    I was only speaking to someone yesterday and they told me that their dad was the same went in for a hip procedure got the virus in hospital and nearly killed him.

    As you are joining in here..... When did he get it, was he swabbed, did he pick it up within the first week or was it after that? Did any of his family get swabbed and were they negative?
    Of course you may not have access to that detail nor are you going to interrogate your grieving friend.
    That is the job of the tracing teams and HSE.
    Yes outbreaks occurred but a good percentage were not from "in hospital" transmission.
    When you or anyone else here has all that information it is perfectly reasonable to discuss.
    But please spare us unvetifiable anecdotal stories, just to stir it up.


  • #3233
    Shelby Foote
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 119 ✭✭Shelby Foote


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It is what you'd expect but it's also a key metric that will inform government decisions over the next while.

    That's another truism!

    Did somebody think government decisions on opening up would be based on anything else.


  • #3234
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    What’s the swab data today?


  • #3235
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Shelby Foote wrote: »
    That's another truism!

    Did somebody think government decisions on opening up would be based on anything else.
    Yep, that's what we do here, explain to the bewildered what's going on but you're clearly too smart to need it!


  • #3236
    Hespy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Hespy


    Gael23 wrote: »
    What’s the swab data today?

    https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/api/swabs/


  • #3237
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    AZ not hitting targets in Q1, regularly changing those supply delivers and unlikely to do so in Q2 doesn't win them any friends at all in the EU. They are well within their rights to do this.

    Really. When Germany blocked export of PPE while our nurses and doctors wore bin bags it wasn't proclaimed that they were doing the right thing.

    In fact it was acknowledged that it was a mistake and led to the common approach to vaccine procurement at an EU level.


  • #3238
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    There's a few views on hospital transmissions

    1. Hospital transmission is due to hospital **** ups. Jail the doctors and nurses. They are murders.

    2. Hospital transmissions happen if there is covid in the community. It sucks but we can't fix this. People are doing their best to limit it but it still happens at an unfortunately high level.

    3. Hospital transmissions don't happen. Cases detected in hospital aren't hospital transmissions. Health care workers are angels. Hospitals have a magical shield and you can't get covid there.

    Personally I'm a believer in version 2.


  • #3239
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Really. When Germany blocked export of PPE while our nurses and doctors wore bin bags it wasn't proclaimed that they were doing the right thing.

    In fact it was acknowledged that it was a mistake and led to the common approach to vaccine procurement at an EU level.
    Not sure what PPE has to do with AZ, that was the Wild West back everywhere then.


  • #3240
    Shelby Foote
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 119 ✭✭Shelby Foote


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Yep, that's what we do here, explain to the bewildered what's going on but you're clearly too smart to need it!

    I think even the bewildered realise that lowering deaths, cases and ICU numbers inform government decisions. Patronising.


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  • #3241
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    There's a few views on hospital transmissions

    1. Hospital transmission is due to hospital **** ups. Jail the doctors and nurses. They are murders.

    Honestly I don't think anyone blames the Doctors and Nurses, rather the poor equipment, procedures and conditions provided to them by the HSE


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