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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3062
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    RTE featuring the Texas decision, which was made yesterday, in their 9 headlines. What's that about?

    One headline saying how bad we are for going to work. Another headline saying the vaccine rollout is behind. Then the third headline saying that all restrictions have been lifted in Texas.

    It’s like there was a meeting to decide how to piss off viewers tonight.


  • #3063
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    RTE featuring the Texas decision, which was made yesterday, in their 9 headlines. What's that about?

    think their opening up..guidelines gone or similar..think the same in some other state too..geographical names fail me at the moment


  • #3064
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    jackboy wrote: »
    One headline saying how bad we are for going to work. Another headline saying the vaccine rollout is behind. Then the third headline saying that all restrictions have been lifted in Texas.

    It’s like there was a meeting to decide how to piss off viewers tonight.

    RTE sh*t stirring to give such prominence with the Texas story, particularly as it happened yesterday!


  • #3065
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    JPup wrote: »
    The CSO has published several pieces on this over the past year, but I suggest you start with Seamus Coffey's twitter feed for info on excess deaths.

    I was thinking I had seen them somewhere..thanks.. the question then being why are we the only country missing from an official EU document evem an estimate to be adjusted (3months reporting rule and all) aawhh well I presume we will eventually catch up.. :)


  • #3066
    Rambling Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭Rambling Man


    jackboy wrote: »
    One headline saying how bad we are for going to work. Another headline saying the vaccine rollout is behind. Then the third headline saying that all restrictions have been lifted in Texas.

    It’s like there was a meeting to decide how to piss off viewers tonight.

    Its appalling. RTE selects headline stories not on the basis of newsworthiness but with a clear and obvious narrative of ‘keep the frighteners on them’ The onset of spring hope and nice weather and we’re castigated for ‘moving around too much’. Turned it off.


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  • #3067
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    speckle wrote: »
    think their opening up..guidelines gone or similar..think the same in some other state too..geographical names fail me at the moment

    Everything open, full occupancy allowed mandatory mask wearing gone. I think Mississippi announced the same.
    Americans view risk differently.


  • #3068
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,291 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    That contradicts Mike Ryan of WHO saying that children aged 10 years of age contract and spread the virus at least as well as adults do. Therefore, older primary students should be obliged to wear masks.

    WHO and Unicef actually recommend from the age of 6 under certain circumstances (such as lack of social distancing) and the CDC from the age of 2. Why the big discrepancy from NPHET's view?

    No doubt you can answer all of those questions yourself .
    I was replying to another poster who was equating a sixteen year old with a child .
    Now it is you splitting hairs.
    If you think small kids should be wearing masks I have no interest one way or the other , maybe they should maybe they shouldn't ..
    Schools thread elsewhere 》》


  • #3069
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    boardise wrote: »
    Interestingly, SF appear to be extremely and untypically diffident about this affair.
    I've heard from politicians of many different parties ,nationally and locally but can't recall hearing from a SF spokesperson.
    Maybe they're afraid to risk alienating a sizeable chunk of their support- students who know little about history or economics but flock mindlessly to vote for SF's fantastical promises.

    They are using COVID....as a political tool... poorly too, they’ve been abysmal since the beginning....

    As a ‘political’ entity they’ve used excuses after excuse as their mates and those within their ranks.. supporters, enablers...murdered people, kneecapped people, blew people up... now all of a sudden we are expected to sit up and listen to them as they pontificate about keeping people well, healthy and alive... ? I don’t think so...


  • #3070
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    ArthurDayne wrote: »
    First of all, there is no moral difference between going for a drink in a pub in flu season and going for a drink now. We know that both flu and Covid circulate in the community and that both can kill / debilitate. By being out in a pub in flu season, you have no definite control over whether you end up being a conduit for the virus to infect someone and kill / debilitate them. Yes, there is less risk of that happening with flu than Covid, but you are still doing something that feasibly can lead to someone dying — and in the last moments of life — the dying person and their loved ones will not be rejoicing at the fact that it’s only them dying. Without in any way comparing spreading infection with murder, this would be similar to drawing a moral distinction between murdering one person and murdering ten.

    Ultimately, going drinking in flu season is little more than a subconscious acceptance that you find the number of flu deaths to be at a tolerable level. In other words, at such a level that the preservation of normality outweighs the importance of stopping flu killing people. Morally, is it any more acceptable to allow flu to get out there and kill people — just because those susceptible to dying from flu are less in number? Does that mean (As I mentioned previously) that you are effectively saying to flu victims “oh there are less of you, so you can f**k off and die”? Of course not, you are making a moral call based on your own sense of proportionality.

    And if we can agree that proportionality is an important concept, then I’d invite you to consider the reality of what can happen when we act disproportionately. I’m not defending what these young people did, but what I am saying is that when we are a year into this pandemic and people still aren’t allowed to go more than 5km from their home, it is inevitable that cracks will appear and that compliance will slip. It doesn’t matter whether you think it’s right or wrong, good or bad — it’s simply understanding that even if you think restrictions are completely justified, it’s frankly delusional to assume that locking down society for months on end will not evoke some form of people losing the rag. A more proportionate approach in our restrictions might help to achieve better and more sustained compliance.

    Now, in fairness to you, you make reasonable points even if I disagree with them. Where I get angrier, and as you might have seen from my discussion with Bella, is when people come on here pontificating about how selfish others are and how they don’t care about people dying (the inference being that they are the ones who care). But they don’t care about others — they only care about others when there are enough of them to care about. It’s a question of number, not individual compassion. They will happily go back to the old world where disease spreads and they won’t lose a moment’s sleep about strangers dying of infectious illness all the time so long as the deaths stay at whatever arbitrary number they determine to be a price worth paying for their freedoms. Yet they will have the temerity to come on here and bash the morality of others.

    This is a pressing moral dilemma that should be explored more imo.

    I don’t believe your post is an attempt to compare flu to Covid.

    Might be time for us all to take stock and a inwards look at how comfortable/uncomfortable we are as a society with how our natural human interactions bring increased risk of transmission of disease, and how do we arrive at what level of risk is acceptable?

    But it’s natural if you’re presented each day with reducing hospital figures to point definitively to the difference your own small efforts are making. It’s quantifiable.

    When eventually those figures don’t make headlines we can return to the narrative that heading to the pub with a couple of close friends isn’t harming anyone because the government has sanctioned it so it must be okay.

    Uncomfortable, like I said, but given the awareness now at how we are spreading illnesses, how do we reconcile our social interactions in future, knowing that staying away from other people saves lives?


  • #3071
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    The minister should resign if this happens
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/dublin-to-lose-euro-2020-hosting-rights-for-postponed-games-1090665.html?fbclid=IwAR1lXgGDJbCF222dGxEFdTdRWdxNAPy8PuNOZ5v7t8MxS8S7v_6SpafMsIM


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  • #3072
    johndanielmoore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭johndanielmoore


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I see NUIG students who broke covid guidelines have been asked to write a 2k word "reflective essay" as punishment. Sweet Jesus.
    I wonder if any of them will write a Fr Jack type reflective essay.


  • #3073
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Gael23 wrote: »
    The minister should resign if this happens
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/dublin-to-lose-euro-2020-hosting-rights-for-postponed-games-1090665.html?fbclid=IwAR1lXgGDJbCF222dGxEFdTdRWdxNAPy8PuNOZ5v7t8MxS8S7v_6SpafMsIM

    "FAI chief executive Jonathan Hill admitted last week Dublin would only be retained by Uefa if health authorities permitted spectators back into stadia."

    Hahaha


  • #3074
    johndanielmoore
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Same around every uni. They were essentially tricked into coming back. All the online learning has negated the reason for being there with the exception of labs etc.

    It was obvious 3rd level wouldn't return to anything resembling normality but where would that have left the landlords? up schitts creek. Students could have saved a tonne on rent.

    There's another reason that some of them had to come back. Broadband is crap in plenty of rural areas. Even some urban areas have problems. It's not always possible to do online classes with 3G/4G.


  • #3075
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    speckle wrote: »
    think their opening up..guidelines gone or similar..think the same in some other state too..geographical names fail me at the moment

    Why would this feature so prominently on RTE News. Makes no difference to us,

    RTE being a troll.


  • #3076
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Gael23 wrote: »
    The minister should resign if this happens
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/dublin-to-lose-euro-2020-hosting-rights-for-postponed-games-1090665.html?fbclid=IwAR1lXgGDJbCF222dGxEFdTdRWdxNAPy8PuNOZ5v7t8MxS8S7v_6SpafMsIM

    If the games go ahead?


  • #3077
    TheDoctor
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    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 472 (down from 475 last night)
    ICU 108 (down from 112 last night)

    Last Wednesday
    Total 597
    ICU 135


  • #3078
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Looked at that students video. Pack of scumbags terrorising a neighbourhood. They should be punished but it should not be excused as a breach of Covid restrictions. That behaviour should never be acceptable.


  • #3079
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,291 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I know of quite a few non Covid deaths in the last month. I cannot stand the way it seems only Covid deaths count at the moment when the body count will be building silently for non Covid related issues for years to come.

    So what do you think we should do then ?
    Ignore Covid and Covid deaths?
    I don't think any health care professional is or will ever ignore other illness and death .
    But there are limits to what we or our system can cope with and unfortunately a rampant infectious disease in hospital and the community greatly affects our ability to deal with other non infectious illness and disease, as we have found .
    Hopefully now numbers going down and vaccinations rolling out we will be able to get back to proactive treatment for everything .
    But yes, there will be long waiting lists and a lot of pressure on everyone trying to catch up with all the missed treatment .
    And no doubt it will lead to deaths caused by delayed treatment .

    I would like to see extensive funds for NTPF referrals to private hospitals for delayed treatments , but as this just pumps money into the private system it is a stopgap that doesn't really solve the crises in the public health system .
    What we need is more beds and more doctors and more nurses trained and working in the public system .

    In my ideal world there are units with Advanced Nurse Specialists seeing and treating patients and referring those they cannot treat to consultant led teams .
    This is already happening but requires more targeted funds and especially towards encouraging senior staff to further their education to masters and PhD level and support from their medical colleagues , not just money but childcare and leave .
    Other countries are miles ahead of us , with all of this in place since the 1990s .
    In fairness everyone now sees how this improves access and flow of care now , but still a long way to go .


  • #3080
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    If the games go ahead?

    Why would they not go ahead, European football has been happening for the last few months.


  • #3081
    Strumms
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    TheDoctor wrote: »
    "FAI chief executive Jonathan Hill admitted last week Dublin would only be retained by Uefa if health authorities permitted spectators back into stadia."

    Hahaha

    UEFA have done this country fûck all in the way of favors over the years, the opposite in fact very much the opposite , ..so it’s little surprise they are trying to bully us to achieve their goals...

    We will lose fûck all by passing the opportunity of having four football matches here... be great to be part of the Euros...but the cost in terms of health would be prohibitive..

    But the vast numbers of Gardai, stewards, TV people, hospitality, catering, matchday staff...and other associated required jobs and people working in close quarters would be tough.... you are talking literally thousands, how there wouldn’t be outbreaks....


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  • #3082
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Looked at that students video. Pack of scumbags terrorising a neighbourhood. They should be punished but it should not be excused as a breach of Covid restrictions. That behaviour should never be acceptable.

    It's a student estate. This stuff has been happening last 20 or 30 years.


  • #3083
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,291 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    speckle wrote: »
    think their opening up..guidelines gone or similar..think the same in some other state too..geographical names fail me at the moment

    Just Texas as yet . Republican governor , kicking back against Biden .
    God love those people being used as political pawns .


  • #3084
    Strumms
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If there is ever a state inquiry into the handling of this pandemic by the government, the behaviour of RTE needs to be examined aswell. They are every bit as guilty of scaremongering as the clowns on Social Media.
    Example , the day the children started back to school. The first story on the RTE News App was 1400 children contracted Covid in two weeks during February.

    Sounds a bit naziesque of you..

    What is the state actually to do about a broadcaster who investigated a news story, reported on it, consistently ?

    Don’t like the news or the angle the journalists and station take ? Ohhh, let’s go after them...

    Luckily in a democracy, things don’t work like that. ;). You can, in a democracy, just change the channel ;)


  • #3085
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Why would they not go ahead, European football has been happening for the last few months.

    I was asking the OP whether the Minister is to resign if the games go ahead or if the games do not go ahead.

    It seems the UEFA do not want empty stadia and will move the games if necessary. One would think that the games could go ahead with some crowds come June but not sure NPHET will sanction that.


  • #3086
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It's a student estate. This stuff has been happening last 20 or 30 years.

    Does not mean it is ok.


  • #3087
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,291 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    This is a pressing moral dilemma that should be explored more imo.

    I don’t believe your post is an attempt to compare flu to Covid.

    Might be time for us all to take stock and a inwards look at how comfortable/uncomfortable we are as a society with how our natural human interactions bring increased risk of transmission of disease, and how do we arrive at what level of risk is acceptable?

    But it’s natural if you’re presented each day with reducing hospital figures to point definitively to the difference your own small efforts are making. It’s quantifiable.

    When eventually those figures don’t make headlines we can return to the narrative that heading to the pub with a couple of close friends isn’t harming anyone because the government has sanctioned it so it must be okay.

    Uncomfortable, like I said, but given the awareness now at how we are spreading illnesses, how do we reconcile our social interactions in future, knowing that staying away from other people saves lives?

    Good post .


  • #3088
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Strumms wrote: »
    Sounds a bit naziesque of you..

    What is the state actually to do about a broadcaster who investigated a news story, reported on it, consistently ?

    Don’t like the news or the angle the journalists and station take ? Ohhh, let’s go after them...

    Luckily in a democracy, things don’t work like that. ;). You can, in a democracy, just change the channel ;)

    It’s hard to believe grown adults are calling for RTÉ to be investigated and prosecuted for reporting the news.


  • #3089
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    It’s hard to believe grown adults are calling for RTÉ to be investigated and prosecuted for reporting the news.

    Facebook were taken to task not too long ago, not about reporting news but how they reported news to manipulate users state of mind, so it's not too far fetched


  • #3090
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    It’s hard to believe grown adults are calling for RTÉ to be investigated and prosecuted for reporting the news.

    Completely, but we know the business lobby and the niche grouping of individuals who are only out for themselves are negatively impacted by covid so it’s in their interest to take aim at those reporting the news, facts and truth about covid... if they can undermine and silence ...news, medical people etc as they are attempting they feel there will be less compliance and therefore more for themselves to gain...

    Of course they couldn’t give a rats about the casualties of this virus...


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  • #3091
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    And understand the importance of a functioning economy, personal freedoms of choice and the need to move on all the while rolling out vaccines at an incredible pace.

    What if WW3 broke out... ? would you be advocating no curfews, no restrictions on movement etc...

    Would we get told about personal freedoms, the economy..?

    Rolling out vaccines is great, but in the meantime we need to keep disciplined, measure behaviors that are dangerous, and adhere to restrictions..


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