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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3032
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    RTE pushing long Covid and variants hard tonight.

    If there is ever a state inquiry into the handling of this pandemic by the government, the behaviour of RTE needs to be examined aswell. They are every bit as guilty of scaremongering as the clowns on Social Media.
    Example , the day the children started back to school. The first story on the RTE News App was 1400 children contracted Covid in two weeks during February.


  • #3033
    User142
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭User142


    pjohnson wrote: »
    NUIG clearly dont hold those who broke restrictions up to much standard. That type punishment is for 10 year olds not supposed "adults"

    Greater punishment than RTE adult staff got for organizing and attending a maskless indoor party during Level 5.


  • #3034
    User142
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭User142


    The same government that considered indoor unventilated restaurants hosting multiple 6 household tables in December "covid safe" now considers outdoor gatherings as superspreader events.


  • #3035
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    User142 wrote: »
    The same government that considered indoor unventilated restaurants hosting multiple 6 household tables in December "covid safe" now considers outdoor gatherings as superspreader events.

    Schools also safe . So if the students went indoors all is good


  • #3036
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Schools also safe . So if the students went indoors all is good

    You have an obsession with schools and covid.


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  • #3037
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If there is ever an state inquiry into the handling of this pandemic by the government, the behaviour of RTE needs to be examined aswell. They areevery bit as guilty of scaremongering as the clowns on Social Media.
    Example , the day the children started back to school. The first story on the RTE News App was 1400 children contracted Covid in two weeks during February.

    I have mentioned it before but one of the worsts moments for me on Rte was Caitriona Perry interviewing Ronan Glynn

    It was during January when numbers were very high and hospital cases high
    Ronan Glynn was obviously very aware of the fear in the community and the anxiety that people would not be cared for in hospitals
    He tried to reassure that despite hospitals being stretched that they would look after people and would not turn anyone away
    Caitriona Perry kept pushing and pushing him and only wanted to hear that bodies would pile up in the car park
    Ronan Glynn kept his voice calm and kept reassuring while she pushed for him to say the system would collapse

    He was acutely aware that people who were sick at home or those caring for them did not need additional stress
    She on the other hand either didnt get his effort to calm or didn’t care as she kept pushing him
    It was appalling to watch and I admired Ronan Glynn for continuing to stay calm


  • #3038
    Midlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    ArthurDayne wrote: »
    First of all, there is no moral difference between going for a drink in a pub in flu season and going for a drink now. We know that both flu and Covid circulate in the community and that both can kill / debilitate.

    Jesus!!

    I've no idea with this. Would you not say that scale matter a bit?

    Like you're saying going for pints in an Ebola outbreak would be the same as the first two?


  • #3039
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,744 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    RTE pushing long Covid and variants hard tonight.
    rte totally insufferable at this point

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #3040
    Tpcl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Tpcl20


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    You've no idea of the details of this case to start throwing out baseless accusations like there are no close contacts in a school environment.

    After 12 months I thought people would stop pushing these conspiracy theories about schools.

    Seems not.
    From the article:
    "No member of staff or student has been deemed to be a close contact of the confirmed case by the HSE.”


  • #3041
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    User142 wrote: »
    The same government that considered indoor unventilated restaurants hosting multiple 6 household tables in December "covid safe" now considers outdoor gatherings as superspreader events.

    You can pick and choose what is a superspreader event . Something you agree with no big risk

    Something you don't agree with how there they , they just killed 50 people


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  • #3042
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Tpcl20 wrote: »
    From the article:

    3 students in my sister's class were out with covid . She wasn't deemed a close contact . But she felt unwell a few days later and got a test . Positive . Unfortunately brought it home and her kid and husband got it .

    Now that should be a school outbreak but it would go down as a household outbreak .

    Such nonsense yet the gullible believe the stats


  • #3043
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If there is ever a state inquiry into the handling of this pandemic by the government, the behaviour of RTE needs to be examined aswell. They are every bit as guilty of scaremongering as the clowns on Social Media.
    Example , the day the children started back to school. The first story on the RTE News App was 1400 children contracted Covid in two weeks during February.

    Do you take issue with the content of the article or just the timing?


  • #3044
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Tpcl20 wrote: »
    From the article:

    Yes but you have no idea of the details of this case.

    The child may not have even made it through the doors.

    The fact that kids and teachers have been considered close contacts in schools many times before proves this.


  • #3045
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    anyone care to do a rough estimate from the rip.ie stats to fill in Irelands blanks?Theu wete meant to be pretty accurate when compared last time to officialdom

    Swed5.png
    Swed6.png

    Thanks sheepysheep over on the sweden thread for images


  • #3046
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Do you take issue with the content of the article or just the timing?

    I take issue with RTEs behaviour since March 2020 .Before then I didn't give a flying feck.
    I found the timing of the article very cynical as for the content no conclusions or context. To me the timing of the article itself was intended to cause distress in the community.


  • #3047
    ArthurDayne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Midlife wrote: »
    Jesus!!

    I've no idea with this. Would you not say that scale matter a bit?

    Like you're saying going for pints in an Ebola outbreak would be the same as the first two?

    To be fair, I did move on to the point about scale and I don’t think I made any reference to it not mattering. I was simply pointing out a frustration that many come on here and lambast people for “not caring about others” when really they themselves only care about others when that group of “others” is big enough to care about.

    It can be irritating when people evoke the moral deficiency of others, but will dance around admitting their own moral deficiency — because it’s very uncomfortable to do that. So when you say to someone, “right, that’s all well and good, so by your own logic you yourself don’t care about victims of other viruses and see their deaths as a price worth paying for your freedom so long as the number is at a scale you are OK with?” — they will balk at ever admitting it because either (a) they think it’s some ‘gotcha’ game of semantics or (b) they simply don’t want to admit that they too are OK with people dying for them to enjoy their way of life — so long as the number of people dying stays nice and ‘Normal’.


  • #3048
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    I had a close family member die of influenza in hospital a couple of years ago.. did our family blame anyone..no... and the person while in their last hours of their life did not either.
    People just try their best..for all the 'science' being human and living is messy.


  • #3049
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Schools also safe . So if the students went indoors all is good

    No one except you is saying that schools are safe.

    An acceptable risk and a relatively safe is something you will head.

    Categorically safe is not something that is being said.


  • #3050
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    speckle wrote: »
    I had a close family member die of influenza in hospital a couple of years ago.. did our family blame anyone..no... and the person while in their last hours of their life did not either.
    People just try their best..for all the 'science' being human and living is messy.

    The message we were given from day one was to blame
    “ its in your hands “ and such slogans made us all feel fear of passing it on
    So many people I know often say “ I don’t worry about getting it but I worry a lot about passing it on “


  • #3051
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    speckle wrote: »
    anyone care to do a rough estimate from the rip.ie stats to fill in Irelands blanks?Theu wete meant to be pretty accurate when compared last time to officialdom

    Swed5.png
    Swed6.png

    Thanks sheepysheep over on the sweden thread for images

    I know of quite a few non Covid deaths in the last month. I cannot stand the way it seems only Covid deaths count at the moment when the body count will be building silently for non Covid related issues for years to come.


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  • #3052
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    No one except you is saying that schools are safe.

    An acceptable risk and a relatively safe is something you will head.

    Categorically safe is not something that is being said.

    Define acceptable risk


  • #3053
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,468 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    ArthurDayne wrote: »
    First of all, there is no moral difference between going for a drink in a pub in flu season and going for a drink now. We know that both flu and Covid circulate in the community and that both can kill / debilitate. By being out in a pub in flu season, you have no definite control over whether you end up being a conduit for the virus to infect someone and kill / debilitate them. Yes, there is less risk of that happening with flu than Covid, but you are still doing something that feasibly can lead to someone dying — and in the last moments of life — the dying person and their loved ones will not be rejoicing at the fact that it’s only them dying. Without in any way comparing spreading infection with murder, this would be similar to drawing a moral distinction between murdering one person and murdering ten.
    This is not flu and we have repeatedly instructed users not to bring it up, so drop it


  • #3054
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Define acceptable risk

    Nowhere is safe. As doomy as it sounds you can catch this anywhere. Very likely in covid ward without PPE. Very unlikely outdoors with a mask on, but it can happen. It’s all a spectrum and impossible to define any place or activity is 100% iron clad safe.

    Acceptable risk is the fact that we need stuff. Gardai are taking acceptable risks as we need them, along with nurses, essential retail workers, etc. Children need education. A couple of months out can be made up over time. But a seesaw pattern of in and out repeatedly isn’t good. It’s not just about maths and English and things you can do at home, but for their development - socially, physically, mentally.


  • #3055
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,468 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    You have an obsession with schools and covid.

    Stick to the topic, which is not other users


  • #3056
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,652 ✭✭✭boardise


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Those people partying in Limerick have been infiltrated by the far right perhaps.

    Most rule breakers seem to be far right now.

    Interestingly, SF appear to be extremely and untypically diffident about this affair.
    I've heard from politicians of many different parties ,nationally and locally but can't recall hearing from a SF spokesperson.
    Maybe they're afraid to risk alienating a sizeable chunk of their support- students who know little about history or economics but flock mindlessly to vote for SF's fantastical promises.


  • #3057
    forumdedum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    boardise wrote: »
    Interestingly, SF appear to be extremely and untypically diffident about this affair.
    I'

    Can't risk losing the young vote?


  • #3058
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I know of quite a few non Covid deaths in the last month. I cannot stand the way it seems only Covid deaths count at the moment when the body count will be building silently for non Covid related issues for years to come.

    Locally we have experienced recent non covid deaths too... most of us alive now will probably die of other things. my condolences to you and yes I agree.. the knock on effect of deaths yet to come is hardly acknowledged by those in power or dictating our direction up until now..and will silently sweep through many a nation in the future without the media fanfare of present times...relating it back to some of the choices made during the past year..
    Only if we forget...I will not.


  • #3059
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Does feel like that growing hospital waiting list will end up being a time bomb for non-covid deaths.


  • #3060
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    RTE featuring the Texas decision, which was made yesterday, in their 9 headlines. What's that about?


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  • #3061
    JPup
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    speckle wrote: »
    anyone care to do a rough estimate from the rip.ie stats to fill in Irelands blanks?Theu wete meant to be pretty accurate when compared last time to officialdom

    The CSO has published several pieces on this over the past year, but I suggest you start with Seamus Coffey's twitter feed for info on excess deaths.


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