When will it all end?

growleaves · 03-03-2021 08:33PM

C.O.Y.B.I.B wrote: »

Agreed and sad state of affairs that i consider that hopeful, but I think the majority would accept that as a good stepping stone to having all restrictions lifted . Certainly with where we find ourselves now I think most would be happy enough.

They've already talked about another lockdown this coming autumn. No doubt that will drag on all winter at least.

ypres5 · 03-03-2021 08:37PM

growleaves wrote: »

They've already talked about another lockdown this coming autumn. No doubt that will drag on all winter at least.

'we need to be super duper sure theres no new variants, the virus loves alcohol, douse granny's christmas dinner in dettol before serving it to her'

El_Duderino 09 · 03-03-2021 08:40PM

mmclo wrote: »

Yeah I really value the nuance on Joe Duffy and Claire Byrne

Are the y good news sources? Or bad news sources? I don’t spend much time listening to either so I’ll have to take your opinion on board.

gozunda · 03-03-2021 08:47PM

ypres5 wrote: »

a poster said earlier that we should be reopening once the 55+ are vaccinated and he was asked by a pro restrictions poster if he was trolling

But even that poster is not saying "we should stay in lockdown until we have almost 0 cases and 0 in hospital" as was claimed.

I don't believe anyone is claiming that...

BringBackMick · 03-03-2021 08:50PM

In the bulk of Europe? 31 May.

In Ireland? 9 August

bluelamp · 03-03-2021 08:54PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

What a bleak summer that is! I’m sorry but honestly no spectators at sports, trapped in the country again, masks for the optics again.

I wouldn't write off travel just yet.

Greece has already jumped ship from the EU vaccine passport, saying its taking too long and they will allow anyone in with either a vaccine, or negative test, with no quarantine.

They have been open for travel since July last year - and despite the blame on all things travel in Ireland, Greece has done far better than us with case numbers.

Cyprus, Israel, and Greece are opening travel corridors with each other.

Spain has said it will act unilaterally and allow visitors in from the UK regardless of the EU decisions.

Portugal is pushing for freedom of movement within the EU as soon as possible.

The EU need to come up with an action plan soon if they want to manage travel as a group. Otherwise more countries are going to make their own decisions.

mightyreds · 03-03-2021 08:56PM

growleaves wrote: »

They've already talked about another lockdown this coming autumn. No doubt that will drag on all winter at least.

The other lockdown is not coming out of this one , will completely bypass lockdown 4

drunkmonkey · 03-03-2021 08:58PM

Scotty # wrote: »

could that be early signs of the vaccine starting to effect the numbers?? I don't know of any other reason that the decline would increase rather than decrease. Nothing else has changed in the environment other than people being vaccinated.

If we were to stay at 18% decline week on week, we'd be down to double figures by early May.

It might be the vaccine, we gained a lot of head immunity over the previous 2 months, weather improved, people were more cautious in January. We're not the only ones to have experienced this phenomenon, scientist are struggling to explain it in america.

Interesting article touching on it here in the wsj.

We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April
Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public about the good news.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731

We've caught 220k cases here, how many have we missed, heard immunity might be playing a part along with vaccines.

03-03-2021 08:59PM

bluelamp wrote: »

I wouldn't write off travel just yet.

Greece has already jumped ship from the EU vaccine passport, saying its taking too long and they will allow anyone in with either a vaccine, or negative test, with no quarantine.

They have been open for travel since July last year - and despite the blame on all things travel in Ireland, Greece has done far better than us with case numbers.

Cyprus, Israel, and Greece are opening travel corridors with each other.

Spain has said it will act unilaterally and allow visitors in from the UK regardless of the EU decisions.

Portugal is pushing for freedom of movement within the EU as soon as possible.

The EU need to come up with an action plan soon if they want to manage travel as a group. Otherwise more countries are going to make their own decisions.

Agreed! The EU don’t seem to be handling things too well at the moment. The problem for us remains, not where can we get into, but can we even get out?

bluelamp · 03-03-2021 09:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed! The EU don’t seem to be handling things too well at the moment. The problem for us remains, not where can we get into, but can we even get out?

Yeah thats the question now.

Ireland was very quick to whinge about Northern Irish people using dublin airport.

Hopefully they will forgive us when we are using Belfast Airport :rolleyes:

Risteard81 · 03-03-2021 09:09PM

bluelamp wrote: »

Yeah thats the question now.

Ireland was very quick to whinge about Northern Irish people using dublin airport.

Hopefully they will forgive us when we are using Belfast Airport :rolleyes:

There's no such thing as "Northern Irish".

NIMAN · 03-03-2021 09:11PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

There's no such thing as "Northern Irish".

I don't think it was said as some sort of political statement, but more on where they live.

Let's not drag it off on a tangent.

beggars_bush · 03-03-2021 09:43PM

bluelamp wrote: »

I wouldn't write off travel just yet.

Greece has already jumped ship from the EU vaccine passport, saying its taking too long and they will allow anyone in with either a vaccine, or negative test, with no quarantine.

They have been open for travel since July last year - and despite the blame on all things travel in Ireland, Greece has done far better than us with case numbers.

Cyprus, Israel, and Greece are opening travel corridors with each other.

Spain has said it will act unilaterally and allow visitors in from the UK regardless of the EU decisions.

Portugal is pushing for freedom of movement within the EU as soon as possible.

The EU need to come up with an action plan soon if they want to manage travel as a group. Otherwise more countries are going to make their own decisions.

People in greece haven't been stuck inside all winter
They don't have a land border with one of the most highly infected countries in the world, a lot of whom decided to travel here before xmas

Mr. Karate · 03-03-2021 10:07PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I love how everybody just assumes there's an alternative option that would have worked. Since you are so certain there is an alternative option that would have been better could you please explain it to us?

Florida hasn't had a lockdown since August of last year. And guess what? The bodies didn't start piling up on the streets like the fear mongers claim will happen if we unlock.

Its time for everyone of voting age in this Country to start acting like Adults and start accepting the fact that people will get sick and occasionally people will die. That's just life. Staying in lockdown forever is not going to get rid of this virus no matter what the fear mongers say. These lockdowns aren't working. Its time to get back to actual living.

PTH2009 · 03-03-2021 10:19PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Florida hasn't had a lockdown since August of last year. And guess what? The bodies didn't start piling up on the streets like the fear mongers claim will happen if we unlock.

Its time for everyone of voting age in this Country to start acting like Adults and start accepting the fact that people will get sick and occasionally people will die. That's just life. Staying in lockdown forever is not going to get rid of this virus no matter what the fear mongers say. These lockdowns aren't working. Its time to get back to actual living.

Very much agree with you but what can we do though ?

We had a protest last weekend and we all know what happened and the government will not give in esp with the ear of NPHET

Strumms · 03-03-2021 10:24PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Florida hasn't had a lockdown since August of last year. And guess what? The bodies didn't start piling up on the streets like the fear mongers claim will happen if we unlock.

Its time for everyone of voting age in this Country to start acting like Adults and start accepting the fact that people will get sick and occasionally people will die. That's just life. Staying in lockdown forever is not going to get rid of this virus no matter what the fear mongers say. These lockdowns aren't working. Its time to get back to actual living.

Florida isn’t doing brilliantly.

It’s the third most populous state in the US, it has had the third highest numbers of COVID.

It is the eighth most densely populated state yet third in covid numbers.

Nothing to be shouting from the rooftops at there..

My aunt lives there, 84 years of age, in great health, still driving etc... but annoyed at how ****e people have been... many in her own apartment block.. she was lobbying the management company to close the outdoor pool and decking which only happened in May when the weather got great and the management company finally listened to her and other concerned residents... loads of gimps from different apartments, inviting friends and family over from different households to hang out and have drinks on the large patio beside the pool...:o

Plumbthedepths · 03-03-2021 10:27PM

Strumms wrote: »

Florida isn’t doing brilliantly.

It’s the third most populous state in the US, it has had the third highest numbers of COVID.

It is the eighth most densely populated state yet third in covid numbers.

Nothing to be shouting from the rooftops at there..

My aunt lives there, 84 years of age, in great health, still driving etc... but annoyed at how ****e people have been... many in her own apartment block.. she was lobbying the management company to close the outdoor pool and decking which only happened in May when the weather got great and the management company finally listened to her and other concerned residents... loads of gimps from different apartments, inviting friends and family over from different households to hang out and have drinks on the large patio beside the pool...:o

This week on things that didn't happen.........

bluelamp · 03-03-2021 10:28PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

People in greece haven't been stuck inside all winter
They don't have a land border with one of the most highly infected countries in the world, a lot of whom decided to travel here before xmas

They've been testing arrivals since last summer. We started last month.

Greece has a strong history of emigration just like Ireland so I'm sure plenty of people went home to Greece for Christmas too.

They have land borders with multiple countries.

They have one of the most elderly populations the world.

Other countries with similar climates to Greece have faired much worse than them.

Their government is being praised for their response, and well managed communication.

Maybe they just managed it better than us no? We can't keep blaming other countries for everything.

Scotty # · 03-03-2021 10:50PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Florida hasn't had a lockdown since August of last year.

While Florida may not have many restrictions at state level, most individual counties within it do.

Florida's numbers are nothing to aspire to!

Mr. Karate · 03-03-2021 10:55PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Very much agree with you but what can we do though ?

We had a protest last weekend and we all know what happened and the government will not give in esp with the ear of NPHET

Martin seems content to continue kicking the can down the road until Dec of next year when it will be Varadkar's problem again.

03-03-2021 11:00PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

In the bulk of Europe? 31 May.

In Ireland? 9 August

Haven’t seen all this thread where’s 9 August coming from?

03-03-2021 11:02PM

Strumms wrote: »

Florida isn’t doing brilliantly.

It’s the third most populous state in the US, it has had the third highest numbers of COVID.

It is the eighth most densely populated state yet third in covid numbers.

Nothing to be shouting from the rooftops at there..

My aunt lives there, 84 years of age, in great health, still driving etc... but annoyed at how ****e people have been... many in her own apartment block.. she was lobbying the management company to close the outdoor pool and decking which only happened in May when the weather got great and the management company finally listened to her and other concerned residents... loads of gimps from different apartments, inviting friends and family over from different households to hang out and have drinks on the large patio beside the pool...:o

Did all these people die of covid or end up in A&E

El_Duderino 09 · 03-03-2021 11:08PM

Scotty # wrote: »

If we can get to the 250k/week by April (as promised) then we could have the roll out complete by early July IMO. About 3.5 million is our total and we've a good start made on that already.

The HSE has a weekly dashboard of vaccinations here. Updated daily.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-vaccination-programme-dashboard.html

In the last 7 days Ireland had over 80,000 vaccinations. That was short of the target of 100,000 but still a good chunk of people. They were let down in supply of 25,000 between last week and this week, but the supplier said they’d make it up later in the month.

They will need to pick up the pace of supply of they’re going o reach 250,000 per week.

03-03-2021 11:27PM

Scotty # wrote: »

While Florida may not have many restrictions at state level, most individual counties within it do.

Florida's numbers are nothing to aspire to!

At least in Florida they didnt have that ridiculous 5km rule. Could travel anywhere in the state and even into other states

drunkmonkey · 03-03-2021 11:34PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

They will need to pick up the pace of supply of they’re going o reach 250,000 per week.

How can we need 80% of people to have the vaccine when we're probably at 50% immunity right now as a result of acquired and natural immunity.
If we can get another 1 million vaccinated i'd say it's over, 4 million vaccinated isn't necessary to crush the numbers.

El_Duderino 09 · 03-03-2021 11:42PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How can we need 80% of people to have the vaccine when we're probably at 50% immunity right now as a result of acquired and natural immunity.
If we can get another 1 million vaccinated i'd say it's over, 4 million vaccinated isn't necessary to crush the numbers.

If that’s the case then there’s no need to worry about the winter as there won’t be any kind of troublesome spike In hospitalisation and death. We’ll just have to wait and see. If those numbers you made up are accurate.

Scotty # · 03-03-2021 11:51PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

we're probably at 50% immunity right now as a result of acquired and natural immunity.

I'm not sure acquired immunity lasts that long. I read a report months ago that said asymptomatic people had lost their antibodies after 25 days or so. Symptomatic people a little longer and critically ill but recovered still had them 6 months later.

My neighbour, a nursing home nurse, tested positive last May and again there at Christmas. Asymptomatic both times but the vaccine had her off work sick for a week.

Samsonsmasher · 03-03-2021 11:52PM

As I said in a previous post that as the good weather comes upon us the lockdown will fall asunder.

We haven't seen the end of protests. It is clear there will be more and they will be bolder. More business people will also open up individually or collectively while St. Patrick's Day may we see organized parades around the country in defiance of the restrictions.

Kids in schools are simply not obeying social distancing or mask wearing and they congregate with parents at school gates or pal around together on the streets or to the shops on their breaks. Everyone knows it's a total joke.

It is clear that more and more people are openly breaking the 5km rule. Over the next few months beaches and beauty spots will be packed once again with kids young adults and families as they were last year. I wouldn't be surprised if gaelic games or concerts go ahead in defiance of the rules as numbers and deaths plummet due to the end of the winter season.

As time goes buy the pressure to go back to normal will irresistible

Mr. Karate · 03-03-2021 11:55PM

Who will blink first? The Govt or UEFA?

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sport/american-football/uefa-set-7-april-deadline-as-doubts-grow-over-dublin-s-ability-to-host-euro-2020-games/ar-BB1ed8Qu?ocid=msedgntp

E mac · 03-03-2021 11:59PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

As I said in a previous post that as the good weather comes upon us the lockdown will fall asunder.

We haven't seen the end of protests. It is clear there will be more and they will be bolder. More business people will also open up individually or collectively while St. Patrick's Day may we see organized parades around the country in defiance of the restrictions.

Kids in schools are simply not obeying social distancing or mask wearing and they congregate with parents at school gates or pal around together on the streets or to the shops on their breaks. Everyone knows it's a total joke.

It is clear that more and more people are openly breaking the 5km rule. Over the next few months beaches and beauty spots will be packed once again with kids young adults and families as they were last year. I wouldn't be surprised if gaelic games or concerts go ahead in defiance of the rules as numbers and deaths plummet due to the end of the winter season.

As time goes buy the pressure to go back to normal will irresistible

I agree with what your saying regarding the good weather ...but this is Ireland so ya good weather...Government will be hoping for a wash out of a summer,if it’s anything like 2018 every beach will be packed out.

When will it all end?

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