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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2822
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭political analyst


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    If rather have a curfew than a lockdown

    Northern Ireland has both!


  • #2823
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭political analyst


    On Prime Time, John McGuirk said that the second and third lockdowns would never have been necessary if hotel quarantine had been introduced last March. So why didn't the government introduced hotel quarantine at any point at all last year?


  • #2824
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    political analyst wrote: »
    On Prime Time, John McGuirk said that the second and third lockdowns would never have been necessary if hotel quarantine had been introduced last March. So why didn't the government introduced hotel quarantine at any point at all last year?

    Because most countries haven't and didn't.

    And we got cases down so low last summer it wasn't needed.


  • #2825
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,290 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    While I agree that younger people have been severely affected by this , my own family included , it is bs to say , and we have been hearing it all along in this " Global Pandemic " that the young have " put their lives on hold for the benefit of others " ..
    If the shoe was on the other foot would their parents and grandparents not do the same , and have we not done that since they were born ?
    It's not only young suffering mental health issues , worry re health and finances either , but to listen to some one would think it was all unfairly on one generation
    I appreciate every thing my family have done and the sacrifices people have made through this , but we all have made sacrifices in different ways and that is what a civilised society does for each other .
    Maybe when all this is over we all should start to cut each other a break and build bridges and reward society old middle aged and young , instead of this generational fighting .
    I propose a new bank holiday " Day of the Hug " or " CV Day " where we all just go out and show the gratitude and respect we have for others in society .:)


  • #2826
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,627 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/unacceptable-scenes-videos-emerge-students-23595692
    niallo27 wrote: »
    Students having a house party makes headline news now, what a pathetic country we have turned into. You lock away young people for months and months then what do you expect.

    Tim Tok Zoom Social Media etc., they can live their lives just be responsible and adhere to restrictions, everyone is suffering with restrictions but not having house parties and large gatherings

    Go to any hospital or care home and speak to a nurse, doctor or grieving family member

    This is real and we all have to make sacrifices
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #2827
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    It's not about public health.

    I think people in danger from the virus should isolate if they feel in danger.

    It's that these students are prolonging the misery of lockdowns for the rest of us.

    It's not fair.

    This is where the scaremongering-induced nihilism kicks in though, IMO. If all this sh!te about "the new normal" or "social distancing until the middle of next year" carries on, it's inevitable that more and more groups will throw the towel in. That's one of the reasons I've been saying since the beginning of February that the darkening of the tone in terms of messaging has been absolutely disastrous.

    If you tell people that they won't legally be allowed to do something as basic as hanging out with their friends again for what could be years, eventually those people will crack and disregard the rules. It's been a full year without proper socialising - an absolutely horrific culture shock for anyone remotely extroverted. Most people were willing to continue to tow the line until sh!te like "even after mass vaccination we'll be asking people to keep their distance" started getting spouted.

    In other words, to put it bluntly, you can't prolong a lockdown which is indefinite. This "new normal" sh!te is making people feel like we're stuck with this horrific living death in perpetuity no matter what we do, and in that context, nihilism will sweep through peoples' minds and they will go full YOLO on this. I've been predicting this since the "new normal even after vaccines" discourse started appearing in the media at the end of last summer, and nothing that's happened since remotely surprises me.


  • #2828
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    They need a good kick in the pants. Those at third level have exemptions above the rest of us to continue on their studies - studies to get professional qualifications towards employment. They're already an elite and they're taking the piss with mass gatherings during a Pandemic - to hold parties in housing estates where other people still have to look after others, continue working and mind themselves and their families during this ****e. But no these kids want to party likes its 1999 and fuk everyone else. Whats for certain a criminal record and / or an expulsion from UL ain't going to do their career prospects or looking for visa to the US or Australia much good eitherway. And no that's not being 'unfair' to the wee scotes - its simply possible consequences.

    That said I don't reckon sanctions shouldnt apply to the students. The university is making money from these kids - they should bear the brunt of any responsibility and be fined accordingly and if need be shut down for abdication of responsibilities.


  • #2829
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    But how are they safe if it’s not the case that children don’t get or spread it?

    Despite hundreds of cases and dozens of outbreaks in schools prior to December NPHET repeatedly said ALL these cases were contracted outside of school, in the community. That’s got to be a lie.

    Came across this and it's pretty shocking. Show's a few things that were known from the outset and is nice summary of the bull**** peddled on how this is spread.
    • kids can get it and spread it (index case back in feb) spread to community
    • travel is how this thing came in and is how the next variant will come.
    • they didn't even attempt to contact trace other kids exposed and what contact they may have had.
    • The CMO caught in his own lies about kids not getting it


    https://twitter.com/PanelPowerIrl/status/1366185249038872583?s=20


  • #2830
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Except it wasn’t really the index case. Someone had already died of covid by the time the first case was reported. It was already circulating in the community.

    And the first case was an older teenager afaik


  • #2831
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭quartz1


    We have a very very poor Government right now. Almost every policy they have implemented has been a disaster. They are huge issues in almost every policy area. All the very small groupings Far Right, far Left, anti everything smell blood and will exploit Government failings to recruit a frustrated population to them for Leadership. We are in a very unstable political situation created by the three parties in power who have failed to serve their electorate and failed miserably. The Government need to take a long deep look at themselves and fast. By early next week they will have broken yet another commitment to the Elderly and someone will be on radio explaing why they have failed to have all the over 85s vaccinated on schedule. This will be at a time 30 percent of Northern Ireland will be vaccinated. It's all so so demoralizing .


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  • #2832
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I think a lot of people in this country have forgotten what its like to be young. A few outdoor drinks and over exuberant dancing and people loose their ****. Bar another firework idiot the video's are no worse than the party on the astro pitch in Dublin or the scenes in Killarney with the phone box dancing.
    Was it foolish, yes, should it have happened no. I often wonder would people even care about these issues if it wasn't for them trying to get their social media reactions and clicks. Its just the latest Twitter outrage that we've witnessed many times since this pandemic started.


  • #2833
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭quartz1


    I voted for the Parties in this Government and I am disgusted with them .Personally I believe restrictions are necessary however it becoming clear that the population are not going to respect them for much longer . A huge majority of the people complied with what was asked by Government but the Government did not fulfill their responsibility to the people and the people are tired of been disrespected with spin, lies and incompetent leadership.


  • #2834
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Hadn't seen it mentioned but I see Isle of Man is going back into lockdown. They had had a very successful covid free status for a long time last year. Seemingly the latest breakout can be traced to ferry worker, just shows the whole covid zero arguement is unworkable here and needs to be put to bed once and for all.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-56245100


  • #2835
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    prunudo wrote: »
    Hadn't seen it mentioned but I see Isle of Man is going back into lockdown. They had had a very successful covid free status for a long time last year. Seemingly the latest breakout can be traced to ferry worker, just shows the whole covid zero arguement is unworkable here and needs to be put to bed once and for all.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-56245100

    Genuine question, didn’t they always have a few cases though? Even when they were open for the past few weeks? Thought I heard that on the news.


  • #2836
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Last year, when first going into lockdown, we were told that it was an extreme measure that couldn't last more than a few weeks because people wouldn't be able to take it. We've now been in lockdown for 8 weeks straight and there's outrage that some people aren't able to take it.

    This was always going to happen if we kept harsh restrictions in place for too long. I'm not supporting what those students were at, it wasn't a smart move, but I'm not comfortable with with people liming up to berate them for it either. I wouldn't do it now, but if I was their age and could see other countries opening up while our government dither saying they might do something by April maybe if we're lucky, I can't say I wouldn't do the same.

    It's been some form of restriction or other since March last year. There's been little let up.


  • #2837
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    prunudo wrote: »
    Hadn't seen it mentioned but I see Isle of Man is going back into lockdown. They had had a very successful covid free status for a long time last year. Seemingly the latest breakout can be traced to ferry worker, just shows the whole covid zero arguement is unworkable here and needs to be put to bed once and for all.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-56245100

    I don't know about your conclusion there.

    They've been open all along. We're in our ninth week of imprisonment.

    Also cases exploded in schools there, weird that ours are so safe. Although fifteen are already reporting outbreaks.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1366862521320275971?s=20


  • #2838
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    Although fifteen are already reporting outbreaks.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1366862521320275971?s=20

    Cases aren’t outbreaks.


  • #2839
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    fits wrote: »
    Cases aren’t outbreaks.
    Yeah sorry I forgot it can't spread in schools because they brought in loads of new measures to prevent that.


  • #2840
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    Yeah sorry I forgot it can't spread in schools because they brought in loads of new measures to prevent that.
    HSE data suggests it is being brought in from the community and they've always had far lower positivity rates while testing in schools. The poster is right ,most of those are single cases. That is not a cluster or an outbreak.


  • #2841
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Leftwaffe wrote: »
    Genuine question, didn’t they always have a few cases though? Even when they were open for the past few weeks? Thought I heard that on the news.

    Sorry, appears I was wrong. I wrongly thought as they were open they were covid free.


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  • #2842
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    HSE data suggests it is being brought in from the community and they've always had far lower positivity rates while testing in schools. The poster is right ,most of those are single cases. That is not a cluster or an outbreak.

    That's great to know and very reassuring. Is the contact tracing going back more than 48 hours? i.e is it going back past the likely incubation period / time of infection?

    because if it is not then that's not really factually correct.

    For instance it allows me to say the following "infection didn't occur in the schools it occurred in the supermarket".

    Everyone has a house. Everyone goes to the supermarket. Do you see?


  • #2843
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    fits wrote: »
    Except it wasn’t really the index case. Someone had already died of covid by the time the first case was reported. It was already circulating in the community.

    And the first case was an older teenager afaik

    You are absolutely right. The first detected case is different than the first undetected community case. It was well implanted here at end of February and early March.


  • #2844
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    fits wrote: »
    Except it wasn’t really the index case. Someone had already died of covid by the time the first case was reported. It was already circulating in the community.

    And the first case was an older teenager afaik

    So Tony was wrong to say child? An older teenager who attends school is most likely a child. Splitting hairs there.


  • #2845
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    That's great to know and very reassuring. Is the contact tracing going back more than 48 hours? i.e is it going back past the likely incubation period / time of infection?

    because if it is not then that's not really factually correct.

    For instance it allows me to say the following "infection didn't occur in the schools it occurred in the supermarket".

    Everyone has a house. Everyone goes to the supermarket. Do you see?
    Occasionally you start a post with a reasonable premise and then you're off down the rabbit hole as quickly as you can go! The data is the HSE's. I can't prove nor disprove it but neither can you. I've given their consistent position again and I really don't have anything else to say about it but I know you do.


  • #2846
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    political analyst wrote: »
    On Prime Time, John McGuirk said that the second and third lockdowns would never have been necessary if hotel quarantine had been introduced last March. So why didn't the government introduced hotel quarantine at any point at all last year?

    Ah John mcguirk, he’s emerged from the woodwork again

    He’s become similar to wifi Jesus paddy, happy to prey on those who don’t want to listen to reason to further his own cause. Similar to how he acted during the 8th debate.

    He had no reason being on prime time And the gript is a nonsensical far right toilet paper.


  • #2847
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Occasionally you start a post with a reasonable premise and then you're off down the rabbit hole as quickly as you can go! The data is the HSE's. I can't prove nor disprove it but neither can you. I've given their position again and I really don't have anything else to say about it but I know you do.

    Glad you agree that we can't say where it came from including schools. Who knows?

    Do you think that a year into this we should probably try and find out?

    I won't labour the point. What about Tony being less than forthcoming with the truth? what's your take on that.


  • #2848
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Ah John mcguirk, he’s emerged from the woodwork again

    He’s become similar to wifi Jesus paddy, happy to prey on those who don’t want to listen to reason to further jus own cause. Similar to how he acted during the 8th debate.

    He had no reason being on prime time And the gript is a nonsensical far right toilet paper.
    Better to be accused of being a mouthpiece for all manner of views than of a lack of balance.


  • #2849
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    prunudo wrote: »
    I think a lot of people in this country have forgotten what its like to be young. A few outdoor drinks and over exuberant dancing and people loose their ****. Bar another firework idiot the video's are no worse than the party on the astro pitch in Dublin or the scenes in Killarney with the phone box dancing.
    Was it foolish, yes, should it have happened no. I often wonder would people even care about these issues if it wasn't for them trying to get their social media reactions and clicks. Its just the latest Twitter outrage that we've witnessed many times since this pandemic started.

    Im probably the same age as majority of those students. Im not having that at all tbh. Its been going on a while in Limerick in student accommodation btw. People in public health have pleaded for it to stop for a few weeks. One of the reasons the rates in Limerick and Galway have remained high. The benefits are what young people get to party but business's and hospitals remain under pressure in the region. Its disgraceful tbh. Very selfish and I wouldn't excuse as they are young


  • #2850
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Ah John mcguirk, he’s emerged from the woodwork again

    He’s become similar to wifi Jesus paddy, happy to prey on those who don’t want to listen to reason to further his own cause. Similar to how he acted during the 8th debate.

    He had no reason being on prime time And the gript is a nonsensical far right toilet paper.

    We managed to keep this alt-sh!te at bay but the same tactics trump used have worked here. Namely blame the Main stream media until they give you air time. I think RTE fell for the trap.

    There were a fair few disillusioned souls at that protest and I'd worry where it's going if we see more of him on TV.


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  • #2851
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Some issues with the UK quarantine process.
    Some international arrivals to the UK have waited nine days for Covid test kits that should be taken on day two of a 10-day quarantine period.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56260595


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