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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2372
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Looks like NI seeing positive impact of low case numbers and vaccines https://twitter.com/SeaninGraham22/status/1366419905336254465?s=19

    HOT TAKE: The North will put up a border to keep up infected free-staters out!


  • #2373
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    It’s been stated, as nauseam, by NPHET and Government, that schools are safe. The reasoning being that children do not contract or spread the virus.

    I'm pretty sure if NPHET or anyone said anything like that - it might have been that they said it was 'safe' to open schools, in the consideration of impact of spread, not that 'schools are safe'

    Also, my first reply on the matter was in relation to someone claiming we've been told that "Children don't get it and if they do, they don't spread it", so watering it down to just 'schools are safe' is disingenuous


  • #2374
    agoodpunt
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    the corpo wrote: »
    HOT TAKE: The North will put up a border to keep up infected free-staters out!
    tats gr8 news, no border poll or utd ireland "virus ridden southerners not welcome" we'll have a crackin 12th july party this year


  • #2375
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure if NPHET or anyone said anything like that - it might have been that they said it was 'safe' to open schools, in the consideration of impact of spread, not that 'schools are safe'

    Also, my first reply on the matter was in relation to someone claiming we've been told that "Children don't get it and if they do, they don't spread it", so watering it down to just 'schools are safe' is disingenuous

    NPHET have been parroting the 'schools are safe slogan' for months.

    Its extremely disengneuinous on their part, and I'm someone who agrees with nearly all of their suggestions.

    Probably they see it as a necessary lie for the greater good. Childrens mental health is at stake, and economies and hospitals cant operate if they dont have the staff available etc.


  • #2376
    muddypuppy
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    Down to 4.3% 7 day which is great

    If we can get to sub 4% we hit the magic limit per the travel rules

    Given the good numbers we are seeing lately I would not be surprised if we see Ireland get to be an orange country in the european semaphore system in a couple of weeks. We need to be below 4% positivity and below 149 incidence (we are at ~177).
    Green is almost unrealistic for a few months, 14-days incidence has to be below 25 - which means around 90 cases a day maximum for 14 days.


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  • #2377
    What Username Guidelines
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    ginoginelli wrote: »
    NPHET have been parroting the 'schools are safe slogan' for months.

    Its extremely disengneuinous on their part, and I'm someone who agrees with nearly all of their suggestions.

    Probably they see it as a necessary lie for the greater good. Childrens mental health is at stake, and economies and hospitals cant operate if they dont have the staff available etc.

    Ok so after a search, it seems that the wording was, at least in the case I found "Nphet has repeatedly advised that schools are safe environments with low levels of child-to-child and child-to-adult transmission".

    Not "children cant get it and if they do they don't spread it"


  • #2378
    Tyrone212
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    When do they finish vaccinating the over 85s?


  • #2379
    thebiglad
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    Watching the UK press conference now on BBC - lots of caveats but great early figures being put up for the effectiveness of vaccines with only 1 jab being given to most so far.

    Looking good for uk to follow their road map and surely that will put pressure on our own government to follow when we have the same numbers vaccinated.


  • #2380
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    When do they finish vaccinating the over 85s?
    Fully vaccinated probably by the end of March but other groups are going on at the same time. Group 4 starting from next week apparently.


  • #2381
    thebiglad
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    muddypuppy wrote: »
    Green is almost unrealistic for a few months, 14-days incidence has to be below 25 - which means around 90 cases a day maximum for 14 days.

    Surely vaccines will come into play on this, not to mention the potential effects of better weather etc

    EU talking about having vaccine passports in a few months for intra EU travel


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  • #2382
    thebiglad
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    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    When do they finish vaccinating the over 85s?

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/irelands-vaccine-plan-next-31-23584889


  • #2383
    PowerToWait
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    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Ok so after a search, it seems that the wording was, at least in the case I found "Nphet has repeatedly advised that schools are safe environments with low levels of child-to-child and child-to-adult transmission".

    Not "children cant get it and if they do they don't spread it"

    But how are they safe if it’s not the case that children don’t get or spread it?

    Despite hundreds of cases and dozens of outbreaks in schools prior to December NPHET repeatedly said ALL these cases were contracted outside of school, in the community. That’s got to be a lie.


  • #2384
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Does anyone else wish they would choose to just eliminate first dose reporting altogether and stick with full vaccination, both in future forecasts and present day reports? It's just my view, but "X number of people vaccinated" or "Y cohort vaccinated" should mean fully vaccinated, done, dusted, finished, no more dosages required. It's not just me, anecdotally from talking to folks I know, a lot of the confusion around target dates etc comes from some reporting focusing on a date for a cohort "to be vaccinated" meaning a date when everyone will have a first dose, vs other reports meaning "when everyone is fully vaccinated".

    Not a helpful discrepancy in my view. And until we have hard, officially backed data which states that a first dose offers meaningful protection (I know there are papers which say this, but they haven't yet been adopted as official guidance here AFAIK?) then reporting X number of people as "vaccinated" only to learn that this means only "half-vaccinated" is very confusing and demoralising for folks.

    Furthermore, with the J&J vaccine coming down the line and requiring only a single dose, it's going to complicate things much more, as if we're still reporting first doses of any of the other vaccines at this point as "this person has been vaccinated", it will legitimately become totally impossible to tell whether it refers to full or half-vaccination.


  • #2385
    [Deleted User]
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    thebiglad wrote: »
    Watching the UK press conference now on BBC - lots of caveats but great early figures being put up for the effectiveness of vaccines with only 1 jab being given to most so far.

    Looking good for uk to follow their road map and surely that will put pressure on our own government to follow when we have the same numbers vaccinated.

    It really looks like it is being borne out by the data. Hospitalisations and deaths are dropping way faster than anticipated and over 80s in ICU are now in single figures

    Based on over 70s, the data shows 60% effective for any minor illness, 80% for hospitalisations and minimum of 85% for deaths (limited data so far on that one, and likely higher). From just the first jab

    Really positive stuff


  • #2386
    thebiglad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,733 ✭✭✭thebiglad


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It really looks like it is being borne out by the data. Hospitalisations and deaths are dropping way faster than anticipated and over 80s in ICU are now in single figures

    Based on over 70s, the data shows 60% effective for any illness, 80% for hospitalisations and minimum of 85% for deaths

    Really positive stuff

    Our canary down the mine looks like it might survive!

    How will NPHET push back on this positivity of data and maintain strict lockdown with vulnerable groups having even their 1st jab.


  • #2387
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Does anyone else wish they would choose to just eliminate first dose reporting altogether and stick with full vaccination, both in future forecasts and present day reports? It's just my view, but "X number of people vaccinated" or "Y cohort vaccinated" should mean fully vaccinated, done, dusted, finished, no more dosages required. It's not just me, anecdotally from talking to folks I know, a lot of the confusion around target dates etc comes from some reporting focusing on a date for a cohort "to be vaccinated" meaning a date when everyone will have a first dose, vs other reports meaning "when everyone is fully vaccinated".

    Not a helpful discrepancy in my view. And until we have hard, officially backed data which states that a first dose offers meaningful protection (I know there are papers which say this, but they haven't yet been adopted as official guidance here AFAIK?) then reporting X number of people as "vaccinated" only to learn that this means only "half-vaccinated" is very confusing and demoralising for folks.

    Furthermore, with the J&J vaccine coming down the line and requiring only a single dose, it's going to complicate things much more, as if we're still reporting first doses of any of the other vaccines at this point as "this person has been vaccinated", it will legitimately become totally impossible to tell whether it refers to full or half-vaccination.

    Careful now or you'll get labeled as an anti British agitator.

    They can just switch to "first dose / vaccinated", with Janssen just adding 1 to both figures.


  • #2388
    caveat emptor
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    PowerToWait wrote: »
    But how are they safe if it’s not the case that children don’t get or spread it?

    Despite hundreds of cases and dozens of outbreaks in schools prior to December NPHET repeatedly said ALL these cases were contracted outside of school, in the community. That’s got to be a lie.

    Yeah exactly...... thank you.


    They constantly repeated it despite the exponential rise in cases at the time. You also had Ciara Kelly saying it's only rising cases.

    https://youtu.be/_faY9lAJGAE


  • #2389
    Galwayhurl
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    Breaking

    687 new cases - one additional death.

    No new admissions to critical care - first time that’s happened since St Stephen’s Day.


  • #2390
    eagle eye
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    Galwayhurl wrote:
    687 new cases - one additional death.
    Coming down,good to see only one death.
    Still a long way to go unfortunately.


  • #2391
    stephenjmcd
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    687 & 1 death.

    No new critical care admissions, First time since St Stephens day


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  • #2392
    Eod100
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    Good news https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1366446091168870421?s=19


  • #2393
    griffdaddy
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    How are there almost 200 more cases than positive swabs? Or am I missing something?


  • #2394
    hotmail.com
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    No doubt the government's decision to pick only certain countries, like Brazil, has increased racism towards those communities.

    The neck of them trying to blame the opposition for this increase in zeneophobia is a disgrace.

    Either have the hotel quarantine for all countries or none.


  • #2395
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    thebiglad wrote: »
    Our canary down the mine looks like it might survive!

    How will NPHET push back on this positivity of data and maintain strict lockdown with vulnerable groups having even their 1st jab.

    More bollocks about NPHET being doom merchants.

    Where do you think most of this data is coming from?

    Maybe if people tuned into the briefings nowadays they’ll hear that NPHET very much is pushing a positive message.


  • #2396
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    griffdaddy wrote: »
    How are there almost 200 more cases than positive swabs? Or am I missing something?

    There's always differences. There was 4 days in a row last week where swabs were higher than cases. It seems to have caught up to a degree today.

    Don't worry too much about it. It never lines up day to day.


  • #2397
    seamus
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    When I saw ICU had dropped by 13, I assumed there had been another bad day. Pleasantly surprised to see 9 discharges and no admissions. RIP to those that have died.


  • #2398
    thebiglad
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    More bollocks about NPHET being doom merchants.

    Lets revisit this in June when we see whether NPHET are pushing for continued lockdown whilst our near neighbours are living like it's 2019.

    All I hear/read on NPHET is single figure cases, lets get waiting lists down etc etc.

    Where's our road map with clear dates for release.

    NPHET are not doom merchants but they are naturally cautious as their role and past experiences condition them in that way, if they are unchallenged, as currently then we will be in a pessimistic place and a very slow (if at all release from restrictions).

    They have the population terrified.


  • #2399
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    thebiglad wrote: »
    Lets revisit this in June when we see whether NPHET are pushing for continued lockdown whilst our near neighbours are living like it's 2019.

    All I hear/read on NPHET is single figure cases, lets get waiting lists down etc etc.

    Where's our road map with clear dates for release.

    NPHET are not doom merchants but they are naturally cautious as their role and past experiences condition them in that way, if they are unchallenged, as currently then we will be in a pessimistic place and a very slow (if at all release from restrictions).

    They have the population terrified.

    Watch the briefing on now. All positive. Urging people to keep going to keep this trend going.

    Inform yourself by going to the source instead of making up nonsense.


  • #2400
    shinzon
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    thebiglad wrote: »
    IF our near neighbours are living like it's 2019.

    Fixed that for ye

    Shin


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  • #2401
    Faugheen
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    “Should parents be wearing masks outside of school?”
    “Yes.”

    Genuinely don’t know why I belly laughed at that.


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