Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Isn't that the point being made???

I'm saying open hairdressers, click and collect and construction, so if it is, it's a stupid point as not many are calling for everything to reopen straight away.

Gruffalux wrote: »

What difference does it make to you if I am vaccine cautious? Not "anti vaxx" which is a dumb catch all derogatory phrase. I choose to wait and observe. I read positive reports with appreciation but continue to wait until time has passed. I personally know a couple of medical academics who agree with me on this. There is not one nodding mono-mind among medics on this subject.

I am extremely careful about covid. More than most I know. Have not been inside anyone elses house in a year. Have only had my children inside mine. Wear proper ffp2 masks when out. Stand well back from people. Meet friends and family only outdoors and distanced out of respect for them.

I would never go on a plane or go to any gathering eg family event without getting a negative PCR result immediately beforehand. Cannot understand how people would ever go to a funeral or visit a relation over Christmas without getting a clear test result first. Especially when viral amounts are high in circulation. It is disrespectful.

I will make and have made a 1000% effort not to spread covid to a vulnerable person. But I will also hold back on getting a vaccine for at least 1 year.
Because I personally feel it is under tested especially with respect to long term effects and also because multiples of vaccines will be required going forward and that is something I do not relish.
Because I personally feel I am healthy, thankfully, and could withstand covid. But it is also my conscious risk to take.
Because I personally feel any attempt at compulsory vaccination continues to be anti democratic as per the Nuremberg Code.
I take no medication as per choice and due to strong effects experienced in the past. Also because of long study and use of natural medicines which have served me very well.
I see no reason right now due to govt ineptitude in the handling of this pandemic that I should as a result happily stick out my arms for biannual jabs forever going forwards of a new prophylactic treatment the long term effects of which I am still uncertain. Or that I should be in any way compelled by pressure from all quarters to do so.

Vaccinated people can still get covid and transmit so they have not become the purified as a result of their injections.

My choice does not make me dangerous or disingenuous or whatever other insults casually thrown. People who are vaccinated will have their chosen level of protection from the serious effects of getting the disease. That is their right, their choice, their advantage and I am sincerely very glad for them to have that wonderful security and hope.

And I have the right to my watchful caution until I decide after sufficient study what to do.

In answer to your question it makes no difference to me at all whether you choose to take the vaccine or not!
I am sorry you appear to be taking my post so personally but there were no ' casual insults ' , my post was considered carefully and addressed your post and what you said in it and not you personally .

So let me address again what you said in your post as you have difficulty with my reply ....
There was a claim made that the CDC had said over 300 had died FROM the vaccine and that it was causing severe reactions in a lot of people .
This is patently untrue .
The CDC did not say that at all.
I think you know this or else if not , you need to go back and read wherever you got that / article again to see what they did say and how they qualified it .
It is also not in my experience as a hcw and my colleagues ' that this vaccine is causing death or serious reactions any more than has been described by many of us on this and the other threads .
People fainting or having sore arms or feeling unwell for a couple of days are very common reactions to any vaccine , and are random and no cause for alarm .

There are some people who have severe reactions and can die following vaccination, but rarely due to the vaccines.

Some people die due to pre existing illness and frailty , and their bodies are not able for a strong autoimmune reaction.
There are posters here who have discussed how difficult this is when deciding if their elderly relatives get vaccinated , but in most cases these people have to weigh the risks with the benefits .

Others have reactions to the diluent or the other components of vaccines .

Some people like yourself who have sensitivities and allergies have been advised to be cautious and discuss with their health care provider regarding their own particular vaccination.

I get you are cautious and that you want to be sure before you take any injection or medication.

However , while that is totally understandable for you personally , it does not mean you can make false claims about what is a very effective and safe vaccine rollout , unchallenged here , statements that are akin to antivaxx rhetoric, even if you claim not to be antivaxx yourself .
Just because you are a regular poster does not mean that everything you claim is correct , ( as none of us can say we are always correct ) and it would be wrong if those posts did go unchallenged because of your previous somewhat credible posting history here..

I really did a double take and said ' Where is Gruffalox , and what did you do with him " , I was so surprised at the post , so really no offence meant !

Fantastic numbers today, really moving in the right direction!

Whats 7 day average now?

wadacrack wrote: »

Id prefer something more sustainable. Get numbers low and a large proportion of the population vaccinated. Slowly opening up from May I think would be a good plan. Beginning first with outdoor events/dining. Combine that with mandatory quarintine and backward tracing in lace in case of new variants then I think we would be in great position. Opening up too quickly would jeopardize all that. Lessons need to be learned after Christmas

I don't consider it quickly. We've been locked down for over 2 months at this stage and could be under 200 cases a day by April 5. Outdoor dining imo can wait til may and on but there's lots you can reopen before then and keep spread under control.

Never mind that I consider stuff like hairdressers to be very safe the way it was ran anyway. I'm pretty sure you could open them tomorrow and it wouldn't result in any spread. Not sure there's any date saying there was loads of spread in them anyway.

Likewise click and collect is pretty safe, and should be allowed operate, and construction should have reopened already imo considering 70% of it seems to be happening anyway with loopholes and rules being ignored.

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Yeah kinda blows me away when there is a small drop in numbers and immediately people/lobby groups demanding everything open up at once...

Annoying as it is think it best to open it phases/wait and see what impact schools opening has....I’d like to not have to do another lockdown....No guarantees either way but let’s learn from previous lessons....

Where did I say open everything at once? I don't think many people are seriously saying that.

If numbers keep going down the general public will start getting hazy on how bad things got in January which will mean it won't be long before hospitality sector takes the opportunity to demand the science that proves they cause spread*


*I work in a hospitality setting (weddings) so I'm allowed to make smart ar5e comments. Like an Irish person calling themselves a paddy.

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

If numbers keep going down the general public will start getting hazy on how bad things got in January which will mean it won't be long before hospitality sector takes the opportunity to demand the science that proves they cause spread*


*I work in a hospitality setting (weddings) so I'm allowed to make smart ar5e comments. Like an Irish person calling themselves a paddy.

I'd say weddings to 25 for from May 7th.

Wasn't expecting it to drop by half from yesterday, still good to see.

is_that_so wrote: »

I think people need to see signs of consistent moves, even modest ones.

Ya, like I'm pro easing restrictions ATM but I wouldn't be saying reopen hospitality and even when they do it should be outdoor only for a while.

To me it's all black and white thinking ATM, theres feck all nuance to our strategy. Government saying we'll work off data instead of dates and immediately set a date we won't do anything til.

Theres a lot more that can be done to ease restrictions and keep the spread under control than they're doing ATM. Half the people are ignoring them anyway so might as well actually make it official.

titan18 wrote: »

You can safely reopen certain sectors without driving spread through the roof.

As it is there are plenty meeting up with people, ignoring 5k and know of hairdressers operating out of their houses.

Might as well reopen some stuff (like hairdressers) to give a safer environment.

By that logic, pubs should be opened up as people are running shebeens in their sheds !
Not that I think hairdressers shouldn't be allowed open up ....;)

Goldengirl wrote: »

By that ,logic, pubs should be opened up as people are running shebeens in their sheds !
Not that I think hairdressers shouldn't be allowed open up ....;)

True, but full hospitality has a lot of risk. Hairdressers do not. You're wearing a mask, generally not in there long, good social distancing between customers and usually well ventilated buildibfs. It's safer than going to Tesco.

They should go with a gradual phased reopening. Something like this makes sense:

5th April - Click and collect, recreational outdoor sports with two other households, team sports training, travel within your county.

May 1st - non-essential retail and personal grooming services, Intercounty travel.

Mid May - Sports matches. Crowds up to 500 at matches.

June 1st - Outdoor dining and beer gardens, Cinemas, theatres, gigs with limits on numbers.

Late June - indoor dining and pubs (table service only), crowds of up to 10000 or 25% capacity at matches and outdoor concerts.

Mid July - Limited restrictions.