When will it all end?

El_Duderino 09 · 01-03-2021 08:04PM

ypres5 wrote: »

I've already answered this but I'll humour you. if we vaccinate the majority of the population and weve already vaccinated the most vulnerable groups of people so we're unlikely to run into the same situation this winter as the last one. we're already on track to have most people given their first shot by june so i don't know where you're getting this idea that we won't have most people vaccinated by winter

That’s an answer but it’s not an answer to the question I asked. The question I asked is about IF the numbers rise to troublesome levels this winter. it’s possible that the numbers will rise this winter and the question is based on that scenario. You seem pretty sure that transmissions and hospitalisation and deaths can’t be a problem this winter, but the experts are telling us it’s a possibility.

So: “IF they vaccinate most of the population in good time before the weather cools, and we drop restrictions and hospitalisation and deaths go way up again, what would you suggest happen next? Reimpose some restrictions again or just let hospitals become overrun?”

gozunda · 01-03-2021 09:18PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I don't see any such complaints aimed at people looking at other countries going back into lockdown.

You may notice the comment didn't differentiate whoever is saying it. Eitherway it's not a competition.

Hence:

I don't get this ... looking at other countries as if we're kids trying to crib at an exam or something. Its highly unlikely we're going to do something because simply someone else has done it.

We will mainly be looking to ourselves and how we extricate ourselves from a pandemic without ending up in deep water.

But if you wish to insist that in every comment that there must be equal treatment of all potential opinion - fire away. I'm wont stop you.

PTH2009 · 01-03-2021 09:22PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So click and collect and 5k extension in April, retail, food pubs and resteraunts in may, pubs in June.......

If it pans out like that we'll be about a month behind the uk, which is best case scenario.

Id accept that Not sure will have my first vaccine shot by then as im in the last group

If the mandatory €9 food rule is in fact done and dusted then why would food pubs be permitted to open before drink pubs ?

ujjjjjjjjj · 01-03-2021 09:22PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0301/1200248-covid-vaccine/

AZ vaccine is working a treat on the over 80's......

Mr. Karate · 01-03-2021 09:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/news/varadkar-warns-no-major-easing-of-restrictions-until-may-as-he-tells-tds-to-stay-on-message-40145692.html

Here we go again!

We already knew this was going on until May when Martin dropped it in an interview.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-03-2021 09:47PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0301/1200248-covid-vaccine/

AZ vaccine is working a treat on the over 80's......

That’s great news if accurate. All reducing the chances of needing restrictions next winter.

FlubberJones · 01-03-2021 10:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/news/varadkar-warns-no-major-easing-of-restrictions-until-may-as-he-tells-tds-to-stay-on-message-40145692.html

Here we go again!

This kip will be knee deep in lockdowns and restrictions while its going to be a ****ing mardi gras in the UK...

These pricks have gone power nuts and seem to be relishing making statements like this...

Detour. · 01-03-2021 10:23PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

This kip will be knee deep in lockdowns and restrictions while its going to be a ****ing mardi gras in the UK...

These pricks have gone power nuts and seem to be relishing making statements like this...

Some of these clowns think they're Winston Churchill

Looking for a place in history through bullsh1t soundbytes

Scotty # · 01-03-2021 10:27PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0301/1200248-covid-vaccine/

AZ vaccine is working a treat on the over 80's......

Very good news. The BBC's take in it is here with a little more info. I'd be slightly concerned that it's only been a few weeks since these vac's were administered but that the pessimist in me.

Mr. Karate · 01-03-2021 10:44PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s great news if accurate. All reducing the chances of needing restrictions next winter.

I hope you're right, but at this stage I wouldn't it past them to have one any way "just to play it safe"

El_Duderino 09 · 01-03-2021 11:00PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I hope you're right, but at this stage I wouldn't it past them to have one any way "just to play it safe"

What would you base that on? The last lockdowns we had were preceded by high hospitalisations and a tragectory which would have soon lead to ICU being overrun. Would you agree?

HansKroenke · 01-03-2021 11:24PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Thank **** its now March

January and February had to been the most slowest months ever

Agreed. A bit of decent weather and it has been great to see people out and about, meeting again. I live beside the sea and old and young have been swimming (brave bastards) and then mingling in groups. Likewise, teens have been meeting in large groups each evening for the past week or so. The weekend around the marina was particularly busy and though I heard the Gardai moved some people on, I didn't see any Gardai at all during the day. Young and old alike enjoying bags of chips and ice cream, great to see.

cooperguy · 01-03-2021 11:24PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I hope you're right, but at this stage I wouldn't it past them to have one any way "just to play it safe"

That makes no sense based o. gow the previous restrictions were brought in

HansKroenke · 01-03-2021 11:29PM

UK press briefing tonight outlined that just one dose of the vaccine (Oxford or Pfizer) has reduced hospitalisations in 8 out of 10 over 80s cases. Fantastic news.

Detour. · 01-03-2021 11:31PM

HansKroenke wrote: »

UK press briefing tonight outlined that just one dose of the vaccine (Oxford or Pfizer) has reduced hospitalisations in 8 out of 10 over 80s cases. Fantastic news.

Did they find the person with the Brazil variant they were looking for in the UK ?

I hope so

HansKroenke · 01-03-2021 11:42PM

Detour. wrote: »

Did they find the person with the Brazil variant they were looking for in the UK ?

I hope so

He scored the winner in Goodison Park tonight.

PTH2009 · 01-03-2021 11:57PM

HansKroenke wrote: »

UK press briefing tonight outlined that just one dose of the vaccine (Oxford or Pfizer) has reduced hospitalisations in 8 out of 10 over 80s cases. Fantastic news.

Don't worry the Irish media will turn that into a negative

patnor1011 · 02-03-2021 12:26AM

When will it all end?

I wonder myself. My daughter was referred by our GP to an ear/nose/throat consultant. March last year. Not a word from them, nothing.
She had 5 ear infections so bad she spend days and nights crying. She is practically half deaf at this stage, light to moderate on the right side and moderate to severe damage on the left side. She is on antibiotic drops since December last year. We even went for a private hearing test as there is a slight chance she could get it done this decade. She got slightly better when she was studying from home but now back to school and their crazy policy of keeping kids sitting in a cold classroom with windows and doors wide open I am at a loss of what to do.
To get to see this type of consultant was about 1 year plus on the waiting list tragedy even before covid. Now everything not related to covid is like forgotten.

drunkmonkey · 02-03-2021 12:33AM

Would you to her to a private consultant she'd be seen in a few days hopefully. Probably cost about €150

franciscanpunk · 02-03-2021 12:50AM

At this stage with leo leaking now no major changes until into May im starting to give up, will try stick it out a while longer but running into 5 months of intense restrictions is pushing the limit. I'm not exactly happy i've had 1 year of my life on stand by but nothing i can do about it now. running into a second year now and with the way ronan glynn is talking about restrictions until at least the end of the year not far off running into a third year is depressing.

What's another year

if it was a case we were waiting until the vast majority of people had a at least one dose before we reduce to a minimum then all restrictions once all vaccinated i could agree with that, but the strategy that's been communicated so far does not guarantee or barely indicate this is what we will be doing.

It seems the done thing now is to say if variants ruin our vaccine plan we'll be back to square one and will need to develop new vaccines but surely further variants will develop while these are being developed and circle continues(i heard many virolgists talk about the virus mutating as being the ideal scenario as to survive it needs to develop into a less deadly strain and eventually risk of severe illness n death greatly reduces but this was pre last summer and haven't heard much since)

patnor1011 · 02-03-2021 12:54AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Would you to her to a private consultant she'd be seen in a few days hopefully. Probably cost about €150

We did. It was 200 actually and they confirmed hearing loss. Now she needs to see specialist who we are waiting to see for a year now. First thing he would ask her for is to do this test so we did it before we will see him/her.

It is not a question of money you will do anything for your child. She was referred to one year ago and we did not hear anything from them yet. I have no problem paying whatever they ask, I have a problem getting through.

drunkmonkey · 02-03-2021 12:59AM

Have you called the specialist, I was waiting about 2mts for something during lockdown and it turned out my doctors secretary never sent on the referral..

bluelamp · 02-03-2021 01:27AM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

What's another year

The next two years are crucial

Most have tired of the restrictions, everyone seems to be meeting friends / family now, lots of cars on the roads, groups out in parks, friends over for drinks, and there seems to be an awful lot of fresh haircuts out there.

This doesn't seem to be confined to a particular age group either.

The government would be far better off opening up hairdressers, "non essential" retail, restaurants, gyms etc at this point.

People have taken it into their own hands now which has made it more dangerous than if they were in controlled environments where there was tracing and health measures in place.

They've lost the public at this point. I'd say very few can hand on heart say they aren't meeting anyone at all outside their home, sticking to the 5km etc.

Rather than stopping anyone from doing things - they need to cop on that people will do these things regardless. They need to focus on how these things can be done as safely as possible, rather than fighting a losing battle trying to stop people.

gozunda · 02-03-2021 02:40AM

bluelamp wrote: »

The next two years are crucial

Most have tired of the restrictions, everyone seems to be meeting friends / family now, lots of cars on the roads, groups out in parks, friends over for drinks, and there seems to be an awful lot of fresh haircuts out there.

This doesn't seem to be confined to a particular age group either.

The government would be far better off opening up hairdressers, "non essential" retail, restaurants, gyms etc at this point.

People have taken it into their own hands now which has made it more dangerous than if they were in controlled environments where there was tracing and health measures in place.

They've lost the public at this point. I'd say very few can hand on heart say they aren't meeting anyone at all outside their home, sticking to the 5km etc.

Rather than stopping anyone from doing things - they need to cop on that people will do these things regardless. They need to focus on how these things can be done as safely as possible, rather than fighting a losing battle trying to stop people.

Of course many people are tired. Doesn't mean they're all going to act like eejits and ignore public health advice.

I know its sometime easy to take the whole thing as a joke or just be blasé - but as our 14 say incident rate remains higher than it was last September - we cant risk simply opening up purely because some may be bored.

Don't believe the advice given here? Its not like were the only country asking its citizens to avoid certain things. Dr. Anthony Fauci head of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, advises avoiding indoor gatherings, gyms, bars and restaurants and unnecessary travel as these are significant nodes for increasing rates of infection.

A study detailed on the News today's found that the majority of people here remain broadly supportive of the current restrictions. So its not correct that the government have 'lost the public". There will always be those who will flaunt the rules and act the maggot regardless.

Six out of 10 people say sticking with the guidelines is tiresome, but almost 80 per cent believe preventing the spread of Covid-19 is more important than the burden of restrictions..

Prof Pete Lunn, head of the behavioural research unit at the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI), said this helped explain how measures of compliance have been rising in recent months, despite the frustrations that people feel.

“Just because we feel a particular way, does not mean that this feeling dictates our behaviour. Rather, the large majority of people in Ireland support the restrictions and are sticking to them, despite the frustrations.”

The data also show systematic misperceptions about socially activity, he said.

Half the adult population does not meet up with anyone outside their household over a 48-hour period, with less than one quarter meeting up with three or more. Yet the more socially active people believe that they are meeting fewer people than average, according to Prof Lunn.

“There is a clear misperception. Most people believe that others are enjoying more of a social life than they are. Those who are in fact most socially active do not realise this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vast-majority-sticking-to-covid-rules-despite-misperception-experts-say-1.4498017

Our best bet for this - is keep doing what we can and vaccination.

patnor1011 · 02-03-2021 07:16AM

gozunda wrote: »

Of course many people are tired. Doesn't mean they're all going to act like eejits and ignore public health advice.

I know its sometime easy to take the whole thing as a joke or just be blasé - but as our 14 say incident rate remains higher than it was last September - we cant risk simply opening up purely because some may be bored.

Don't believe the advice given here? Its not like were the only country asking its citizens to avoid certain things. Dr. Anthony Fauci head of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, advises avoiding indoor gatherings, gyms, bars and restaurants and unnecessary travel as these are significant nodes for increasing rates of infection.

A study detailed on the News today's found that the majority of people here remain broadly supportive of the current restrictions. So its not correct that the government have 'lost the public". There will always be those who will flaunt the rules and act the maggot regardless.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vast-majority-sticking-to-covid-rules-despite-misperception-experts-say-1.4498017

Our best bet for this - is keep doing what we can and vaccination.

I do not know where they do these studies or polls. I do know and meet a lot of people and 9 out of 10 are against restrictions. The only few people who are pro are few who get to work from home but even they long for opening shops, restaurants, and even dangerous virus breeding facilities like hairdressers, gyms and churches. I am surrounded by elderly neighbors and cant see them following restrictions as I see them visiting each other and having family gatherings. I am not convinced there are a lot of people in support of any restrictions and certainly not level 5.

While it is clear now that vaccination is not going to change much - hints are everywhere so called experts already proclaimed that we can not ease restrictions or lose facemasks even after we will be vaccinated people here still think "we will go back" to what it was pre covid.
We are not. We are going to be hit with massive overcrowding at hospitals due to year of "time off" where over million of appointments for various other medical conditions and procedures were cancelled since covid era started.

I have feeling and I am certainly not alone that we actually kicked ourselves in the a®se trying to prevent hospitals to be overwhelmed simply because they actually were overwhelmed before we emptied them because covid. And after a year of this waiting, we can expect several times more people trying to get in with their own problems which were for the most part neglected.
We tried to prevent overwhelming of already overwhelmed hospitals by overwhelming nursing houses which then resulted in overwhelming funeral directors.

El_Duderino 09 · 02-03-2021 08:08AM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

...if it was a case we were waiting until the vast majority of people had a at least one dose before we reduce to a minimum then all restrictions once all vaccinated i could agree with that, but the strategy that's been communicated so far does not guarantee or barely indicate this is what we will be doing.
...

Isn’t that pretty much what we’re doing? Vaccinating the majority and then seeing how that goes? If things go great then probably no need for restrictions. If things go badly then we will probably need restrictions next winter. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Fact is we don’t know what will happen when the majority is vaccinated. There is uncertainty around a number of areas including but not limited to: how vaccine soon we can get people vaccinated (both supply and rollout), many people will refuse the vaccine and remain unvaccinated, how the virus will mutate and how the hospitalisation and deaths will change when we lift restrictions and how things will change next winter when the weather cools.

Do you think they know the answers to all these questions and they just aren’t telling you, or do you think they don’t know the answers?

Monster249 · 02-03-2021 09:01AM

gozunda wrote: »

Of course many people are tired. Doesn't mean they're all going to act like eejits and ignore public health advice.

I know its sometime easy to take the whole thing as a joke or just be blasé - but as our 14 say incident rate remains higher than it was last September - we cant risk simply opening up purely because some may be bored.

Don't believe the advice given here? Its not like were the only country asking its citizens to avoid certain things. Dr. Anthony Fauci head of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, advises avoiding indoor gatherings, gyms, bars and restaurants and unnecessary travel as these are significant nodes for increasing rates of infection.

A study detailed on the News today's found that the majority of people here remain broadly supportive of the current restrictions. So its not correct that the government have 'lost the public". There will always be those who will flaunt the rules and act the maggot regardless.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vast-majority-sticking-to-covid-rules-despite-misperception-experts-say-1.4498017

Our best bet for this - is keep doing what we can and vaccination.

The difference with Fauci telling people to avoid gyms, etc. Is that they're given the choice, gyms are open in most states.

The problem here is that they have no issue keeping everything closed, letting businesses and lived be ruined and cancelling hundreds of thousands of hospital appointments per month.

They are inadvertently causing so much death over the coming years because of their overdramatic plan on easing restrictions.

Monster249 · 02-03-2021 09:03AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Isn’t that pretty much what we’re doing? Vaccinating the majority and then seeing how that goes? If things go great then probably no need for restrictions. If things go badly then we will probably need restrictions next winter. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Fact is we don’t know what will happen when the majority is vaccinated. There is uncertainty around a number of areas including but not limited to: how vaccine soon we can get people vaccinated (both supply and rollout), many people will refuse the vaccine and remain unvaccinated, how the virus will mutate and how the hospitalisation and deaths will change when we lift restrictions and how things will change next winter when the weather cools.

Do you think they know the answers to all these questions and they just aren’t telling you, or do you think they don’t know the answers?

Once people are vaccinated, there's no longer a target to aim towards. We have to open up and deal with the fallout. I can understand restrictions like social distancing and masks but we absolutely cannot have another lockdown.

Irish Stones · 02-03-2021 09:05AM

bluelamp wrote: »

The government would be far better off opening up hairdressers, "non essential" retail, restaurants, gyms etc at this point.

As for me, I'm learning to do without them.
Nearly everything essential can be done online, so if shops open or do not open doesn't bother me much.
I haven't seen my hair dresser for more than a year now, and at this point I think I can live without him. Same for bars and restaurants.

the kelt · 02-03-2021 09:07AM

Monster249 wrote: »

Once people are vaccinated, there's no longer a target to aim towards. We have to open up and deal with the fallout. I can understand restrictions like social distancing and masks but we absolutely cannot have another lockdown.

But what if this happens, or that happens, or that other thing happens, thats going to be the next post really.

When will it all end?

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