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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2462
    coconnellz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭coconnellz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If you’re that worried about it, don’t take it. Simples

    Might not be able to travel, but that’s your choice

    Yeah but that's the thing there no middle ground either be locked at home and don't take the vaccine or take it and hope that won't get a serious side effects to vaccine two extreme and nothing in between


  • #2463
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    This man is supposed to be smart, but is actually thick! All the zero covid loons, never follow up with any data etc!!

    https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1366491795316695048?s=21

    So excited by variants he can't string a sentence together


  • #2464
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    hmmm wrote: »
    Let's see your evidence that people have died from the vaccines.

    Too tired. The cdc has a report with 196 deaths reported after vaccine so far. But there are lots of other effects reported that are very unpleasant. Lots of countries are keeping records. There is even a WHO fund to compensate those who will be damaged by the vaccine because they know it happens. Do you honestly think this would be the only medicine in the whole wide world not to have bad effects on some people? Some people who are healthy will be unhealthy after vaccination of any kind. That is a fact. Some people get bad reactions to ordinary everyday tablets. I haven't taken hardly any meds, not even an anadin, in decades as I react very badly to most stuff, even to caffeine. I had one course of antibiotics after a serious dental op a few years ago and I was as sick as a pig for a week. So yeah. Sh1t happens to some healthy people after medicines or vaccines. Why is it not permitted to say this fact?


  • #2465
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    So excited by variants he can't string a sentence together

    Jesus Christ.....the image that just came to mind

    Thanks!


  • #2466
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If you’re that worried about it, don’t take it. Simples

    Might not be able to travel, but that’s your choice

    One should be able to travel with a very recent negative PCR test. Perhaps even backed up by on site antigen tests at point of departure.
    . Even the EU seem to be allowing that with their new digital covid passport proposal.
    After all a neg PCR test says you do not have covid. But with a vaccine cert one may very well be dosed to the gills with covid and transmit to immuno compromised people who cannot get vaccine.
    Theres a bit of a bum rush for the vaccine passport afficionados eh.


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  • #2467
    coconnellz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭coconnellz


    hmmm wrote: »
    Let's see your evidence that people have died from the vaccines.

    You don't need to die to have very serious effects to covid vaccines which I know is only my personal experience but 3 bad reactions and 1 serious reactions is far to many from small circle of family and friends


  • #2468
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Too tired. The cdc has a report with 196 deaths reported after vaccine so far. But there are lots of other effects reported that are very unpleasant. Lots of countries are keeping records. There is even a WHO fund to compensate those who will be damaged by the vaccine because they know it happens. Do you honestly think this would be the only medicine in the whole wide world not to have bad effects on some people? Some people who are healthy will be unhealthy after vaccination of any kind. That is a fact. Some people get bad reactions to ordinary everyday tablets. I haven't taken hardly any meds, not even an anadin, in decades as I react very badly to most stuff, even to caffeine. I had one course of antibiotics after a serious dental op a few years ago and I was as sick as a pig for a week. So yeah. Sh1t happens to some healthy people after medicines or vaccines. Why is it not permitted to say this fact?

    It’s fine to say that. Vaccines, antibiotics....all have side effects in some people

    But until this post you have been portraying the COVID vaccine as being substantially worse than other vaccines in terms of reactions.


  • #2469
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    coconnellz wrote: »
    So somebody that's young and never got sick and after getting a vaccine even after 11 days they don't have the energy to be able to stand up and are really worried is not classified as not seriously sick, I need to get your measurements for how sick you can be.

    Have you been tested for Covid ? You can still get Covid in the first weeks after the vaccine . I presume the GP sent you for a test ?


  • #2470
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It’s fine to say that. Vaccines, antibiotics....all have side effects in some people

    But until this post you have been portraying the COVID vaccine as being substantially worse than other vaccines in terms of reactions.

    I have not. I defended the perso n being allowed to convey their experience without being told a lie that covid WILL get them. One thing I differentiated re covid vaccines is we cannot know long term effects with this one as there has been no long term use. And that is true.


  • #2471
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Too tired. The cdc has a report with 196 deaths reported after vaccine so far.
    Vaccines are being given to very old and frail people, some of whom are going to die just as their natural course. You know full well that not one person has been reported as dying as a consequence of a vaccine.


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  • #2472
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    I have not. I defended the perso n being allowed to convey their experience without being told a lie that covid WILL get them. One thing I differentiated re covid vaccines is we cannot know long term effects with this one as there has been no long term use. And that is true.

    Maybe it was someone else who listed their partner and a load of other colleagues who got sick. Whoever it was, was overplaying an anecdote that I simply don’t believe

    Long term COVID reaction is a bigger worry that a vaccine reaction whichever way I cut

    But we probably won’t agree. I’ll be getting it in my arm soon and am a supporter of vaccine passports


  • #2473
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Thanks but I can understand the swab number being hirer than cases (for example from second tests etc.) but not the other way around?

    Its lag and admin.

    Today's swabs aren't today's cases.


  • #2474
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,880 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Gruffalux wrote:
    One should be able to travel with a very recent negative PCR test. Perhaps even backed up by on site antigen tests at point of departure. . Even the EU seem to be allowing that with their new digital covid passport proposal. After all a neg PCR test says you do not have covid. But with a vaccine cert one may very well be dosed to the gills with covid and transmit to immuno compromised people who cannot get vaccine. Theres a bit of a bum rush for the vaccine passport afficionados eh.


    How about if you travel you get tested upon arrival and quarantined until the results arrive? If you are negative then off you go and enjoy your holiday, if you are positive then you get sent home immediately and lose your money?


  • #2475
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital cases at 8pm today

    Total 494 (down from 537 last night)
    ICU 115 (down from 132 last night)

    Lowest total figure since 30 Dec
    Lowest ICU figure since 8 Jan


  • #2476
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    coconnellz wrote: »
    I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

    I gave blood for years and saw people regularly fainting, shaking and getting sick after their donation. Some even experienced those 'side effects' before donation.

    Not wishing to get personal, but there are lots of reasons why someone might faint or puke after a needle application and most of those reasons are unrelated to the actual process. With vaccines as any other medicines, some people will have reactions. How serious they are is largely subjective, one persons wipe out is another persons mild inconvenience. Of course there are potential side effects, as with any medicine and the covid vaccine potential complications are published for all to consider.

    This cure is certainly better than Covid itself.


  • #2477
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,703 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital cases at 8pm today

    Total 494 (down from 537 last night)
    ICU 115 (down from 132 last night)

    The numbers in hospital are decaying everywhere the vaccine is being rolled out

    There may be nothing to give out about in another month or so


  • #2478
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    eagle eye wrote: »
    How about if you travel you get tested upon arrival and quarantined until the results arrive? If you are negative then off you go and enjoy your holiday, if you are positive then you get sent home immediately and lose your money?

    How about you don't travel at all until shown negative? Then you haven't two trips through airports, and on planes, unnecessarily.


  • #2479
    Thornysheep
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 26 ✭Thornysheep


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If you’re that worried about it, don’t take it. Simples

    Might not be able to travel, but that’s your choice

    Not true, no matter how easily it rolls off your tongue.


  • #2480
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    There's no doubt at all that the roaring success of the vaccine in every country in which mass roll-out is being achieved has been an horrific blow to the lockdowners. The end to this is in sight, and coming quickly.

    The prospect of curtains going untwitched and fingers going unpointed is a horrific future for them, so they need to talk down the vaccines and talk up the variants.

    Christ! What a sad world you imagine!


  • #2481
    Thornysheep
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 26 ✭Thornysheep


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    I gave blood for years and saw people regularly fainting, shaking and getting sick after their donation. Some even experienced those 'side effects' before donation.

    Not wishing to get personal, but there are lots of reasons why someone might faint or puke after a needle application and most of those reasons are unrelated to the actual process. With vaccines as any other medicines, some people will have reactions. How serious they are is largely subjective, one persons wipe out is another persons mild inconvenience. Of course there are potential side effects, as with any medicine and the covid vaccine potential complications are published for all to consider.

    This cure is certainly better than Covid itself.

    That entirely depends on the individual.


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  • #2482
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital cases at 8pm today

    Total 494 (down from 537 last night)
    ICU 115 (down from 132 last night)


    As a comparison, on this day last month 1 February

    Total 1396
    ICU 204


  • #2483
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    There's no doubt at all that the roaring success of the vaccine in every country in which mass roll-out is being achieved has been an horrific blow to the lockdowners. The end to this is in sight, and coming quickly.

    The prospect of curtains going untwitched and fingers going unpointed is a horrific future for them, so they need to talk down the vaccines and talk up the variants.

    Mod:

    Threadbanned

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #2484
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Thornysheep wrote: »
    That entirely depends on the individual.

    But as Monty Python said in The Life of Brian.... 'We are all individuals' and we are trying to return to normal as a society by adopting a societal approach of mass vaccination.

    How can any one individual be absolutely sure that they will not be badly affected by this disease or that their actions will not badly affect others?


  • #2485
    briancoolcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭briancoolcat


    coconnellz wrote: »
    I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

    Hi both myself and my partner work in healthcare and we both have gotten our first dose of the Astrazenica vaccine. All my work colleagues are now vaccinated and the side effects range from feeling tired and a lack of energy to having a raised temperature and a sore tender arm for a couple of days. No one died in my workplace or came anywhere close to it from 220 staff. Yes there are side effects and I myself felt a bit achy for a couple of days but man am I glad to have that first dose and I am looking forward to getting my booster in 10 weeks time. Dont get too worried about some of the stuff you hear. Expect to feel a bit under the weather for a couple of days but after that its grand nothing to worry about. Just my perspective on the vaccine seeing it up close and personal among a good number of people.


  • #2486
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,880 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Jim_Hodge wrote:
    How about you don't travel at all until shown negative? Then you haven't two trips through airports, and on planes, unnecessarily.
    It's the country that you are visiting that doesn't want covid getting into their country. I think you should expect to be tested and quarantined there.
    I think that should be done for all incomers to this country.


  • #2487
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    coconnellz wrote: »
    I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

    I have posted this exact same reply to the exact same post by this poster on the vaccine megathread.
    Not here to scare people ? Really ? ....

    Any reactions like high temps aree meant to be reported, straight away , and damn sure it would be a registerable reaction if someone couldn't stand for 11 days !
    I wonder did these people get a Covid test ?
    It is possible to have it or get it within 2 weeks of first shot and those people should be informing their vaccinator , at the very least .
    The vaccine does not cause reactions like this or of this duration.
    I personally know of 2 colleagues who unfortunately were sick after their first shot but it was because they were subsequently tested Covid positive within a few days , when they reported ongoing symptoms .


  • #2488
    bikeman1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    The now very strong decline in hospital numbers and even more importantly drop in admissions to very low numbers is the first sign of vaccines taking effect. A huge number of cases were actually in healthcare settings. We could now be seeing that the vaccines not only prevent infection but also stop spread of the virus in that healthcare setting.

    If we can get past St. Patrick’s and no up tick in cases from today’s school opening and the continuing rollout of vaccines we could be good to get going immediately after Easter. Not a return to normal but Level 3 with one other household visits allowed. And hopefully get rid of the stupid 5k / county travel rules.


  • #2489
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    coconnellz wrote: »
    I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

    Mod:

    And you can take ALLLLLLL of that discussion to the Conspiracy Theory Forum.

    Do not bring it up in this thread again

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #2490
    bloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭bloopy


    What is going on with this 'Zero Covid' thing?
    The government don't seem to be too jazzed about it, but the likes of RTE and TodayFM have been pushing hard on it all day.
    Is there a large appetite out there to attempt a Zero Covid approach?


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  • #2491
    Detour.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭Detour.


    bloopy wrote: »
    What is going on with this 'Zero Covid' thing?
    The government don't seem to be too jazzed about it, but the likes of RTE and TodayFM have been pushing hard on it all day.
    Is there a large appetite out there to attempt a Zero Covid approach?

    No it's been debunked


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