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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2402
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    thebiglad wrote: »
    Lets revisit this in June when we see whether NPHET are pushing for continued lockdown whilst our near neighbours are living like it's 2019.

    All I hear/read on NPHET is single figure cases, lets get waiting lists down etc etc.

    Where's our road map with clear dates for release.

    NPHET are not doom merchants but they are naturally cautious as their role and past experiences condition them in that way, if they are unchallenged, as currently then we will be in a pessimistic place and a very slow (if at all release from restrictions).

    They have the population terrified.
    It is not NPHETs job to come up with a roadmap.

    And as we have now learned from bitter experience, when you create a plan with firm dates more than a month out, you usually end up having to revise anyway. This is the nature of evolving epidemiological situations.

    Let's revisit in June when our near neighbours are tearing themselves apart because their dates have had to be pushed back, while we have a much clearer, albeit shorter-term, idea of what's happening next.


  • #2403
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Seems to be plateauing. At least it's not going up.

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  • #2404
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    seamus wrote: »
    It is not NPHETs job to come up with a roadmap.

    The expectations on nphet is insane sometimes.

    Why are they doing press conferences instead of vaccinating people personally.

    Why aren't they treating patients there are doctors there at the press conference.

    So on and so forth.


  • #2405
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Seems to be plateauing. At least it's not going up.

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    Case numbers seem to be slowly falling. Maybe 10% a week.

    Very slow fall.


  • #2406
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    No doubt the government's decision to pick only certain countries, like Brazil, has increased racism towards those communities.

    The neck of them trying to blame the opposition for this increase in zeneophobia is a disgrace.

    Either have the hotel quarantine for all countries or none.

    Anti Austrian sentiment has sky rocketed since their inclusion on the list...


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  • #2407
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Glynn asked if he was disappointed that we have nearly 700 cases.

    He says he is but spent more time stressing that there are continuing downward trends.

    But but, NPHET never look for positives!


  • #2408
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The expectations on nphet is insane sometimes.

    Why are they doing press conferences instead of vaccinating people personally.

    Why aren't they treating patients there are doctors there at the press conference.

    So on and so forth.

    Don’t understand the point of the press conferences. Nothing new to add by now


  • #2409
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Case numbers seem to be slowly falling. Maybe 10% a week.

    Very slow fall.
    In swabs the rate of decrease has started accelerating. From 10% last week to 14% today.

    Hopefully it continues to do so


  • #2410
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    thebiglad wrote: »
    Lets revisit this in June when we see whether NPHET are pushing for continued lockdown whilst our near neighbours are living like it's 2019.

    All I hear/read on NPHET is single figure cases, lets get waiting lists down etc etc.

    Where's our road map with clear dates for release.

    NPHET are not doom merchants but they are naturally cautious as their role and past experiences condition them in that way, if they are unchallenged, as currently then we will be in a pessimistic place and a very slow (if at all release from restrictions).

    They have the population terrified.

    People are after copping on now to Rte nphet matt cooper stains mcconkey killeen et al -terrified nah


  • #2411
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Don’t understand the point of the press conferences. Nothing new to add by now

    This coming from someone who isn’t watching them.


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  • #2412
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Case numbers seem to be slowly falling. Maybe 10% a week.

    Very slow fall.

    As expected and as said in every fcukin presser


  • #2413
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Don’t understand the point of the press conferences. Nothing new to add by now

    OK. Don't watch it then.

    A lot of people find it interesting. A lot is boring. Especially the journalists asking the same question as each other all the time in different ways.

    I find some of the information provided interesting.


  • #2414
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Anti Austrian sentiment has sky rocketed since their inclusion on the list...

    Anti UK is harder to discern given the high levels of latent anti British sentiment that existed pre uk variant.


  • #2415
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,880 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Morries Wigs wrote:
    People are after copping on now to Rte nphet matt cooper stains mcconkey killeen et al -terrified nah
    If you hadn't copped on nine months ago then what's changed now that makes these people cop on after all this time?


  • #2416
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Does anyone else wish they would choose to just eliminate first dose reporting altogether and stick with full vaccination, both in future forecasts and present day reports? It's just my view, but "X number of people vaccinated" or "Y cohort vaccinated" should mean fully vaccinated, done, dusted, finished, no more dosages required. It's not just me, anecdotally from talking to folks I know, a lot of the confusion around target dates etc comes from some reporting focusing on a date for a cohort "to be vaccinated" meaning a date when everyone will have a first dose, vs other reports meaning "when everyone is fully vaccinated".

    Not a helpful discrepancy in my view. And until we have hard, officially backed data which states that a first dose offers meaningful protection (I know there are papers which say this, but they haven't yet been adopted as official guidance here AFAIK?) then reporting X number of people as "vaccinated" only to learn that this means only "half-vaccinated" is very confusing and demoralising for folks.

    Furthermore, with the J&J vaccine coming down the line and requiring only a single dose, it's going to complicate things much more, as if we're still reporting first doses of any of the other vaccines at this point as "this person has been vaccinated", it will legitimately become totally impossible to tell whether it refers to full or half-vaccination.

    I get that the confusion is not ideal, but when first doses look like they cut hospitalisations and deaths by 80% and possibly 90% respectively, it is very much worth reporting

    It seems like the 2nd dose doesn't actually improve on these numbers much, rather embeds the protection for the longer term. If that is true, then it just reinforces how important it is to report the 1st dose number


  • #2417
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Don’t understand the point of the press conferences. Nothing new to add by now

    I think they are great to be honest. Very good information provided each week. The most concise and crucial of all the info that's available. The epidemiology reports on Thursday in particular are usually the best bird's eye view you'll get about what its going on. Even if you don't agree with NPHET you can listen to their rationale straight from the horse's mouth and make up your own mind about it. If you don't agree with it fine, but I read an awful lot of people trashing these briefings who appear never to watch them.

    I honestly don't know how people have a problem with these briefings. They aren't hysterical, they aren't depressing, they're very matter of fact. I appreciate that these briefings exist. Otherwise we'd just be left either completely in the dark or just left to hear it in garbled form from our politicians. I'd rather hear it from NPHET, who at least seem to have a clue what they are talking about.


  • #2418
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    eagle eye wrote: »
    If you hadn't copped on nine months ago then what's changed now that makes these people cop on after all this time?

    vaccines and a way out


  • #2419
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Glynn asked if he was disappointed that we have nearly 700 cases.

    He says he is but spent more time stressing that there are continuing downward trends.

    But but, NPHET never look for positives!

    Its bizarre their change in tone the last week . Focusing on the positives now which is a clear change in tack

    Clear they knew they lost the room last week


  • #2420
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    But how are they safe if it’s not the case that children don’t get or spread it?

    Despite hundreds of cases and dozens of outbreaks in schools prior to December NPHET repeatedly said ALL these cases were contracted outside of school, in the community. That’s got to be a lie.

    Just on this most of the outbreaks around the opening of schools in September and October where "family outbreaks".

    The past couple of months despite having far higher numbers hasn't seen the same number of family outbreaks. There were far more outbreaks then despite there being far less cases. That doesn't make sense.

    Wonder why that is.....

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  • #2421
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Its bizarre their change in tone the last week . Focusing on the positives now which is a clear change in tack

    Clear they knew they lost the room last week

    Or they got vast amounts of data which shows how the vaccines are working in nursing homes and among frontline healthcare staff.


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  • #2422
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Its bizarre their change in tone the last week . Focusing on the positives now which is a clear change in tack

    Clear they knew they lost the room last week

    Might it also have something to do with the Deputy CMO taking temporary charge


  • #2423
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Polar101


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Does anyone else wish they would choose to just eliminate first dose reporting altogether and stick with full vaccination, both in future forecasts and present day reports?

    It's just 2 different numbers, I'm not sure if it would make a big difference. Except if only the second-dosers were reported, then the complaining about Ireland being too slow in vaccinations would just go on overdrive.


  • #2424
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    ShyMets wrote: »
    Might it also have something to do with the Deputy CMO taking temporary charge

    Same deputy CMO who was slagged off for asking people not to drop their guard and he was proven to be correct


  • #2425
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Many journalists in that press briefing think we aren't having any decline in cases. A little bit of research goes a long way.

    7 day average in cases for every Monday this year.

    1/3 - 654
    22/2 - 773
    15/2 - 862
    8/2 - 991
    1/2 - 1244
    25/1 - 2018
    18/1 - 3201
    11/1 - 6370
    4/1 - 3015


  • #2426
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    People want Tony Holohan to personally fluff their pillow, tuck them into bed and read them a bed time story as they slowly dose off to dreams of packed bars in Lanzarote.


  • #2427
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Or they got vast amounts of data which shows how the vaccines are working in nursing homes and among frontline healthcare staff.

    There was enough data to hand last week


  • #2428
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    There was enough data to hand last week

    Which was received last Thursday, and widely welcomed by NPHET.

    As I said before, don’t solely rely on data from other countries. Do your own research. NPHET did that, and they can safely say they’re having an impact here.


  • #2429
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    People want Tony Holohan to personally fluff their pillow, tuck them into bed and read them a bed time story as they slowly dose off to dreams of packed bars in Lanzarote.

    No they just want him to **** off and never hear from him again.


  • #2430
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,543 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Just on this most of the outbreaks around the opening of schools in September and October where "family outbreaks".

    The past couple of months despite having far higher numbers hasn't seen the same number of family outbreaks. There were far more outbreaks then despite there being far less cases. That doesn't make sense.

    Wonder why that is.....

    545513.png
    *Public Health report outbreaks to HPSC and link cases to these outbreaks. This process is taking longer with the recent surge in case numbers. Public Health are prioritising the reporting of outbreaks in key settings e.g. RCFs, hospitals. Therefore, the number of private house outbreaks is underestimated.
    That might explain it. Contact tracing broke down over those months.


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  • #2431
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Which was received last Thursday, and widely welcomed by NPHET.

    As I said before, don’t solely rely on data from other countries. Do your own research. NPHET did that, and they can safely say they’re having an impact here.

    Sorry don't agree . If we needed to see data from our own country the vaccine would not be approved for use here . We relied on clinical trials from other countries .

    The data was there . We are humans like other countries . Their message was unnecessarily pessimistic that didn't relate to what was going on in the world .

    And thus they lost a lot of the public


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