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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2282
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,944 ✭✭✭plodder


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Yet ISAG have been utterly silent on the leaks, which in my view speaks volumes.
    I certainly assumed they are genuine.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #2283
    morebabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭morebabies


    Could I ask someone with more scientific/ mathematical knowledge than me...
    Assuming that the partial return to school today will have some impact on numbers, when would that impact likely be seen? Apologies if it's been said already.
    I'm just wondering if it will be noticeable at all due to the timing of the Easter holidays which will bring about a reduction in contacts again.


  • #2284
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    morebabies wrote: »
    Could I ask someone with more scientific/ mathematical knowledge than me...
    Assuming that the partial return to school today will have some impact on numbers, when would that impact likely be seen? Apologies if it's been said already.
    I'm just wondering if it will be noticeable at all due to the timing of the Easter holidays which will bring about a reduction in contacts again.

    Kind of impossible to know if one is eligible to answer the question, without making an assumption.


  • #2285
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,397 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    morebabies wrote: »
    Could I ask someone with more scientific/ mathematical knowledge than me...
    Assuming that the partial return to school today will have some impact on numbers, when would that impact likely be seen? Apologies if it's been said already.
    I'm just wondering if it will be noticeable at all due to the timing of the Easter holidays which will bring about a reduction in contacts again.

    7 to 10 days from now any impact should start to be seen. 14 to 21 days will be the real indication though, I would guess.


  • #2286
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    Quantum Baloney wrote: »
    There are some absolute babes at these protests. Saw some with my own eyes well before Christmas, but you can see some very fine women in the videos of the protests from Saturday.

    They are deadbeats. A picture came up online from 2 women wearing jumpers. The back said

    'RTE lost there souls'

    They used the wrong there/their. RTE being an establishment, they never had a soul.

    The picture showed one of the women holding a green can that has a red star - Heineken. Day time drinking, at a protest.

    I'm glad our government isn't dismissing public health on foot of a crowd of deadbeats protesting against lockdown.


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  • #2287
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Absolutely great to see the little ones skipping into school today . Positivity is back .

    Phrasing ಠ_ಠ

    My daughter was up at 6am ready to hop into the uniform, it wasn't far off christmas-morning-levels of excitement


  • #2288
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Phrasing ಠ_ಠ

    My daughter was up at 6am ready to hop into the uniform, it wasn't far off christmas-morning-levels of excitement

    Same here... up and dressed by himself before coming in to us.. very excited


  • #2289
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The level of detail in the RTÉ/ISAG collaboration post surely warrants an internal investigation by RTÉ to ascertain whether there is any truth in it.

    If there is truth in it - that essentially, a shadowy group of unelected figures have been dictating RTÉ's current affairs output -, then Claire Byrne should not be presenting current affairs programmes any more.

    It's been clear for a while that individuals are RTÉ are in thrall to this tiny extremist group. If the organisation has been captured by ISAG, then there is a serious problem and steps must be taken to ensure this never happens again.


  • #2290
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    Surely if they are a shadowy group, they wouldn't be on tv every 15 minutes?


  • #2291
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,745 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Absolutely great to see the little ones skipping into school today . Positivity is back .

    the sun been out helps as well !

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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  • #2292
    BlondeLou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭BlondeLou


    seamus wrote: »
    134. Unfortunately much of this reduction is due to deaths. Discharges are slightly ahead of admissions, but there are a lot of deaths.
    Numbers above are still holding though.

    Overall it looks like we'll be in very good shape come Easter.

    All of the doom-mongering about "it'll still be level 5 after easter" seem toothless now. At that stage we will be better across all metrics than we were at any point during October & November. Battered and exhausted, but better.

    ICU down to 120 this morning (11:30am update)

    0 admissions, 9 discharges


  • #2293
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    The level of detail in the RTÉ/ISAG collaboration post surely warrants an internal investigation by RTÉ to ascertain whether there is any truth in it.

    If there is truth in it - that essentially, a shadowy group of unelected figures have been dictating RTÉ's current affairs output -, then Claire Byrne should not be presenting current affairs programmes any more.

    It's been clear for a while that individuals are RTÉ are in thrall to this tiny extremist group. If the organisation has been captured by ISAG, then there is a serious problem and steps must be taken to ensure this never happens again.

    So what is the real story with IASG? I know they want endless lockdowns in pursuit of zero Covid but who is paying for their slick website and covering their wages? Let’s face it they’ve been pretty much full time with their dystopian and unscientific predictions for a year now.

    Tomas Ryan hasn’t published any papers in over a year presumably because he’s busy with Covid, is he still getting a full salary from Trinity?

    I’ve always found it very odd that a scientific advocacy group uses highly speculative modelling data to constantly make wildly inaccurate and dark predictions of 100s of dead children, mass graves and and freezer trucks full of corpses.

    What is Tomas Ryan and his friends actually getting out of this?


  • #2294
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    So what is the real story with IASG? I know they want endless lockdowns in pursuit of zero Covid but who is paying for their slick website and covering their wages? Let’s face it they’ve been pretty much full time with their dystopian and unscientific predictions for a year now.

    Tomas Ryan hasn’t published any papers in over a year presumably because he’s busy with Covid, is he still getting a full salary from Trinity?

    I’ve always found it very odd that a scientific advocacy group uses highly speculative modelling data to constantly make wildly inaccurate and dark predictions of 100s of dead children, mass graves and and freezer trucks full of corpses.

    What is Tomas Ryan and his friends actually getting out of this?

    Publicity and a raised profile, perhaps in the hope it will help with further research grant applications.

    Ego is a factor too, academics are renowned for having massive ego's and they have never felt more relevant or important than now.


  • #2295
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    Are there much people still using the covid app?

    I met a friend over the weekend for a social distancing walk and I asked her if she's still using the app. She said she removed the app months ago because she doesn't believe it works or its nonsense and she said the Bluetooth drains the battery.

    To be honest I thought it was a real 'anti covid' response.
    I still have the app and I have bluetooth on now nearly right around the clock for other Bluetooth connected devices and I don't find it drains my battery.
    I am disappointed to hear that because I consider the app to be an important tool in tackling covid and we are lucky to live in a time to have such a tool within such a short space of time. I also think, tackling and beating covid will not be from one measure alone - it will be a multi tool approach.


  • #2296
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    As I said, unfortunately not. Gript has been more or less the only major publication in Ireland to take the critical view of lockdown and not play along, which is presumably why whoever leaked the document chose them as their preferred publishing route.

    However, John McGuirk who broke the story did tweet about it, and in fairness the tweet makes a lot of sense - given the defamation law in Ireland, if these emails are in any way doctored or fabricated he'd already be having his ass handed to him in court. Yet ISAG have been utterly silent on the leaks, which in my view speaks volumes.

    https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1364218431877181443

    McGuirk as a source and as the story breaker says all you need to know.

    "well we havent been sued have we? " isnt an actual thing


  • #2297
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    Surely if they are a shadowy group, they wouldn't be on tv every 15 minutes?

    The shadowy part is that many aren't aware that they're in a group, they're never tagged as such when interviewed on RTE or elsewhere (for instance, you'll never see "Sam McConkey, ISAG spokesman" pop up on the screen, you'll see "Sam McConkey, Consultant at Beaumont Hospital". Same for the rest of their membership. So they're co-ordinating a message privately, behind the scenes, and then blitzing the media through various interviews in different outlets which make it look like there's a chorus of experts all just happening to have the same opinions, when in fact they've communally agreed upon those opinions before going on.

    It's like the classic police line-up corruption (the same kind which is alleged to have collapsed Patrick Hutch's murder trial, for those familiar) - two individual cops have to identify the suspect from photographic evidence without being prompted, whereas in reality they met privately beforehand and agreed on a name to "recognise" so they could get a warrant.

    This is all before you consider the fact that segments on high profile television programmes such as Claire Byrne Live are being written, produced, acted and directed by this group in an organised fashion, yet this is not being disclosed on the progamme and it therefore looks like organic, homegrown RTE content that isn't coming from a political action group pushing a specific agenda.

    This is all far, far more serious than many seem to realise. Assuming these emails are legitimate, they point to a very cosy relationship between the media and an extremist political group which is unelected, unaccountable, and yet is getting its members booked in for high profile slots on some of the most popular public media programmes in Ireland, all while both sides fail to acknowledge that this is a co-ordinated group and not just a succession of interviews with independent experts who just happen to have the same views.

    It's an attempt at manipulating the public and their representatives, plain and simple. This is the kind of crap which goes on in America every single time there's an election, and is something we should be desperately fighting to keep the f*ck away from our own country's politics.


  • #2298
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    McGuirk as a source and as the story breaker says all you need to know.

    "well we havent been sued have we? " isnt an actual thing

    Fair enough, but at least one recipient of the email has seemed to acknowledge that it was a real email chain, while distancing herself from its contents. Furthermore, once you have this leak in mind, a lot of the seemingly unexplainable and bizarre issues with RTE's coverage of the pandemic make a horrifying amount of sense.

    Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I believe this leak and will continue to do so until someone involved at least comments on it. So far we only have one public comment about the leak and it's from someone saying "yes I was copied in to this mailing list, but I don't want anything to do with it".


  • #2299
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    This guy is some prick and has to go. "New PPS numbers had to be obtained for the international students, many of them from high-risk black and Asian ethnic groups, according to Prof Murphy."
    Medical students in the Coombe hospital’s labour ward were passed over for Covid-19 vaccines on the night they were given to 16 family members of staff, the investigation into the incident has been told.

    Two days after two of his own children were vaccinated, the master, Prof Michael O’Connell, told a senior colleague the hospital was “not in a position” to vaccinate the students, according to the colleague.

    Almost 40 students were on standby to receive vaccines, and hospital management were made aware of this an hour before vaccines were given to the 16 relatives, Prof Deirdre Murphy, head of the department of obstetrics at Trinity College Dublin, has told the review.

    https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1366317714114023425?s=20


  • #2300
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    Are there much people still using the covid app?

    I met a friend over the weekend for a social distancing walk and I asked her if she's still using the app. She said she removed the app months ago because she doesn't believe it works or its nonsense and she said the Bluetooth drains the battery.

    To be honest I thought it was a real 'anti covid' response.
    I still have the app and I have bluetooth on now nearly right around the clock for other Bluetooth connected devices and I don't find it drains my battery.
    I am disappointed to hear that because I consider the app to be an important tool in tackling covid and we are lucky to live in a time to have such a tool within such a short space of time. I also think, tackling and beating covid will not be from one measure alone - it will be a multi tool approach.

    Not anymore....I agree with everything you say but I am kind of done/sick of the whole thing/not sure what to believe anymore...I just can’t believe mandatory quarantine has not being set up and I was always of the belief once over certain age/vunerable were vaccinated we could possibly go back to level 3....Don’t think there is any mad conspiracy but certainly not sure about anything right now...


  • #2301
    Thornysheep
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 26 ✭Thornysheep


    OwenM wrote: »
    Publicity and a raised profile, perhaps in the hope it will help with further research grant applications.

    Ego is a factor too, academics are renowned for having massive ego's and they have never felt more relevant or important than now.

    Absolutely false generalisation.


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  • #2302
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Is this a recognised 'cultural practice' within certain 'communities'?:eek: Or was this just a one-off to spite the authorities, maybe to commemorate an individual who didn't have a full-scale funeral?

    Oh yes, its definitely a recognised cultural practice. I have seen them happening in my mothers graveyard. The whole family arrive in morn, folding chairs, boom box, picnic, booze. Its a whole day thing. I dont think its done for them all, probably just to celebrate a milestone birthday or anniversary of the deceased


  • #2303
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,637 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    Are there much people still using the covid app?

    I met a friend over the weekend for a social distancing walk and I asked her if she's still using the app. She said she removed the app months ago because she doesn't believe it works or its nonsense and she said the Bluetooth drains the battery.

    To be honest I thought it was a real 'anti covid' response.
    I still have the app and I have bluetooth on now nearly right around the clock for other Bluetooth connected devices and I don't find it drains my battery.
    I am disappointed to hear that because I consider the app to be an important tool in tackling covid and we are lucky to live in a time to have such a tool within such a short space of time. I also think, tackling and beating covid will not be from one measure alone - it will be a multi tool approach.

    Bluetooth does drain your battery. Depending on how old the phone is and the battery health, it can drain the phone to a noticeable level. You will always have some people opt out anyway. If she caught COVID she would have a very different outlook.


  • #2304
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Thornysheep wrote: »
    Absolutely false generalisation.

    Funny thing about stereotypes, they are generally true.

    "A sizeable ego is, after all, a job requirement, and many of your colleagues will see their line of research as an extension of the very essence of their being."

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/machiavellian-guide-getting-ahead-academia


  • #2305
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Bluetooth does drain your battery. Depending on how old the phone is and the battery health, it can drain the phone to a noticeable level. You will always have some people opt out anyway. If she caught COVID she would have a very different outlook.

    Or not. Given it's a not serious illness for most.


  • #2306
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    One of rte.ie leading stories at present is that there were 1403 covid cases amongst under 12s in the last 14 days see https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0301/1199998-covid19-ireland/

    The story is devoid of comment though. I'm trying to decide is this news good, bad or indifferent? There were approx 10,000 cases over the same period from some quick googling so u12s were ca 14%. Again from some quick googling in the 2016 census there were 880k u12s out of a population of 4.726m so, crudely, 18.5%. So the u12 covid stats for the last 14 days are a bit less than pro rata - but not pass remarkably so either way.

    So, again, what am I supposed to be taking from this story? It's front page splash suggests it's big news. Thoughts?


  • #2307
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Slight revision on the hub for Saturdays swabs.

    It was 692 from 18008

    It's now 701 from 18,273.

    No change to positivity rate


  • #2308
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    So what is the real story with IASG? I know they want endless lockdowns in pursuit of zero Covid but who is paying for their slick website and covering their wages? Let’s face it they’ve been pretty much full time with their dystopian and unscientific predictions for a year now.

    Tomas Ryan hasn’t published any papers in over a year presumably because he’s busy with Covid, is he still getting a full salary from Trinity?

    I’ve always found it very odd that a scientific advocacy group uses highly speculative modelling data to constantly make wildly inaccurate and dark predictions of 100s of dead children, mass graves and and freezer trucks full of corpses.

    What is Tomas Ryan and his friends actually getting out of this?

    I mean the very first assumption you make about them is false. They want the opposite of endless lockdowns. There is a lot of disagreement on how they propose we get there but their end goal isn't endless lockdown.


  • #2309
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    Are there much people still using the covid app?

    I met a friend over the weekend for a social distancing walk and I asked her if she's still using the app. She said she removed the app months ago because she doesn't believe it works or its nonsense and she said the Bluetooth drains the battery.

    To be honest I thought it was a real 'anti covid' response.
    I still have the app and I have bluetooth on now nearly right around the clock for other Bluetooth connected devices and I don't find it drains my battery.
    I am disappointed to hear that because I consider the app to be an important tool in tackling covid and we are lucky to live in a time to have such a tool within such a short space of time. I also think, tackling and beating covid will not be from one measure alone - it will be a multi tool approach.

    The app itself says 1.3 millions "active" users, whatever active mean. It also says that 150k people checked in today. The real number is somewhere in between I'd say. I'm actually surprised by how many people checked in, I haven't opened it in forever.

    But the real surprising part is how little alerts it sent out. It says only ~23000 since being introduced. It seems very low to me if 1.3 millions is the number of people with it installed and working.
    Does anyone here have any experience with being notified or having HSE upload your random ID in it?


  • #2310
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Polar101


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    Are there much people still using the covid app?

    It requires pretty much zero effort to download and install it. Obviously if a lot of people don't have it installed, then it's not going to be very useful - but even some additional detected cases can prevent spread.

    But most likely the people who could benefit from having the app installed, probably don't have it.


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  • #2311
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Bluetooth does drain your battery. Depending on how old the phone is and the battery health, it can drain the phone to a noticeable level. You will always have some people opt out anyway. If she caught COVID she would have a very different outlook.

    My phone is older than hers and it's holding up well. She mentioned something about not being happy with the app a few months ago and I just happened to ask about it again. She went back to work in a restaurant/bar before the Christmas and I can't believe she put herself and her family at risk by working with others and the public and not have the app. You would hope that the app would provide some layer of protection with early contact tracing. I keep thinking what if she became a close contact through her work. She put her family at risk going back to work and dealing with the public by not having the app. I thought she was better than that. I consider the app as another layer of protection along with social distancing, mask wearing, hand hygiene but the app is only going to work if enough adults download it. I'm seriously questioning out friendship now. I am not living in fear but I am taking covid seriously whereas there is an anti something tone from her. It's only a fluke her family has escaped covid to date.


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