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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Elmo wrote: »
    Kind of soft local report that RTÉ often do for Six-one from their local reporters.
    My two cents.

    Local American TV "news" stations, have done this type of "feel good" stories for years, but then again local TV here is crap, stopped watching it years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭McHardcore


    The Anti RTE had a show of force at the protests yesterday.
    https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1365751061475131393?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    McHardcore wrote: »
    The Anti RTE had a show of force at the protests yesterday.
    https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1365751061475131393?s=20

    When their spelling is as bad as that... you know you're not dealing with the country's brightest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Ten Pin wrote: »

    Wonder if those protesters in Dublin can use the same claim to avoid prosecution?

    'It was an impromptu gathering, your honor'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭McHardcore


    When their spelling is as bad as that... you know you're not dealing with the country's brightest.

    True. Their arguments against RTE and the "mainstream media" were equally dubious.

    "Groups such as Yellow Vest Ireland and the right-wing National Party promoted the protest on their social media pages. Other Irish Facebook groups, which have been used to spread conspiracy theories about vaccines, promoted yesterday as “Unite the Tribes”.

    Speakers at the event criticised “the mainstream media” while some carried signs knocking RTE and other news groups. After the clashes on Grafton Street the protest moved to the GPO for an impromptu party, where beer and joints were shared by some.

    Among the protesters was Erica Parker, a mother of one from Swords, who was drinking a can of Heineken while holding a flyer from the National Party. Parker and her friend Susan wore matching black hoodies which said “RTE sold there [sic] souls” and “Save our children from the reptilians”.

    Parker said she was protesting against the lockdown and vaccines. “We’re here to protest against RTE as well,” she added. Her friend said over “9,000 people went missing in Ireland last year”.

    Asked how this was linked to RTE, the pair outlined a conspiracy theory that involved babies being killed and harvested for “adrenochrome” which is used to keep RTE celebrities “looking young” while the corpses are buried under the new children’s hospital."


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/conspiracy-fans-jubilant-over-demo-success-nj8zfbhfz

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    McHardcore wrote: »

    Asked how this was linked to RTE, the pair outlined a conspiracy theory that involved babies being killed and harvested for “adrenochrome” which is used to keep RTE celebrities “looking young” while the corpses are buried under the new children’s hospital."[/I]

    Isn't this a sub plot from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    I do find it amusing when an entire group or argument can be broken down by using some anecdotes of individual people and their beliefs.

    "Among the protesters was Erica Parker, a mother of one from Swords, who was drinking a can of Heineken while holding a flyer from the National Party. Parker and her friend Susan wore matching black hoodies which said “RTE sold there [sic] souls” and “Save our children from the reptilians”.

    I mean is the above serious journalism? Are we to believe that everyone who opposes the lockdown is some sort of layabout or the oft-used "conspiracy theorist"? In this instance they've gone one further and characterised this person as having an alcohol problem. That may be true but it's hardly fair or credible journalism. I mean even if that were true, does that mean that they've no right to voice an opposition to the lockdown? I myself am opposed to the lockdowns and I'm no "save our children from the reptilian" type thank you.

    As for RTE's contribution in this regard, they've hardly been shy in hyping up the fear and I think it's reasonable to make the claim that they are biased towards the negative and ultra-caution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    ligerdub wrote: »
    I do find it amusing when an entire group or argument can be broken down by using some anecdotes of individual people and their beliefs.

    "Among the protesters was Erica Parker, a mother of one from Swords, who was drinking a can of Heineken while holding a flyer from the National Party. Parker and her friend Susan wore matching black hoodies which said “RTE sold there [sic] souls” and “Save our children from the reptilians”.

    I mean is the above serious journalism? Are we to believe that everyone who opposes the lockdown is some sort of layabout or the oft-used "conspiracy theorist"? In this instance they've gone one further and characterised this person as having an alcohol problem. That may be true but it's hardly fair or credible journalism. I mean even if that were true, does that mean that they've no right to voice an opposition to the lockdown? I myself am opposed to the lockdowns and I'm no "save our children from the reptilian" type thank you.

    As for RTE's contribution in this regard, they've hardly been shy in hyping up the fear and I think it's reasonable to make the claim that they are biased towards the negative and ultra-caution.

    It's quite telling that so many journalists go into writing fiction... feels like they practise it with these journalistic pieces. (And its not as if a journalist hasn't done this before).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    It's also annoying to see how RTÉ people have picked up on this picture, they seem to think that anyone who has any legitimate criticism is up there with the far Right or lacks education.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Biden bombs Syria but no big news on RTE, if Trump did this it would be RTE's leading story.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Elmo wrote: »
    It's also annoying to see how RTÉ people have picked up on this picture, they seem to think that anyone who has any legitimate criticism is up there with the far Right or lacks education.

    Defer, project, and blame. The usual media strategy.

    Case in point-Ciara Kelly did quite a bit to rile up many of these individuals. On Newstalk, she was pushing the blame onto other people.
    Apparently she didn't like helping reap what she sewed.

    There probably were people with legitimate concerns at that protest. Concerns for mental health, for their business, the delays in the vaccine distribution... etc etc etc.

    But you ALWAYS get wasters who turn up to these things to have party and cause trouble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭McHardcore




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    The last few years, Waterford Whispers has become...very bitter, in it's humour.

    USed to love making fun of RTe, now sucks up them at every turn.

    (Probably has something to do with the 'God violated young Mary' sketch that got them in a whole heap of trouble, and led to apologies).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,862 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    Expert at convincing you they're anti establishment, when they're more establishment in their thinking than they'll ever know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Quags


    vriesmays wrote: »
    Biden bombs Syria but no big news on RTE, if Trump did this it would be RTE's leading story.

    Sums up RTE, They probably feel that Uncle Joe is "Irish" so they wont do no bad publicity against him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    vriesmays wrote: »
    Biden bombs Syria but no big news on RTE, if Trump did this it would be RTE's leading story.

    Far be it for me to defend RTE, but it's literally right there (from Friday) : https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0226/1199477-us-strikes-syria-iran/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,925 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    https://www.rte.ie/eile/2021/0209/1196058-have-your-say-about-rte/

    A chance to air your views, to some degree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Q1 How often do you personally do each of the following?

    Watch RTÉ programmes or other content live or on-demand
    Listen to RTÉ programmes or other content live or on-demand
    Read any RTÉ content such as written news, blogs, and other articles, available online and on mobile
    Use any other RTÉ service

    Q2 To what extent do you agree or disagree with each of the following statements?

    RTÉ is an important part of Irish life
    Audiences should have access to a broad range of high quality content that is from Ireland
    RTÉ is an organisation people in Ireland can be proud of

    Q3 Context of Question:RTÉ is a public service media organization.

    Please rank how important each of the following principles should be in guiding how RTÉ operates as a public service media organization. Please rank in order of importance to you personally.

    Which is the most Important
    Supporting innovation and creativity
    Being independent from political, commerical and other influences
    Striving for excellence in everything it does
    acting in the best interst of society
    being for everyone and available to everyone
    Proving a platform Ireland's creative talent an dculture
    creating content which reflects the diversity that exists in Ireland
    Being accountable to the public and its stakeholders


    Q4 In your view, are there any other principles that RTÉ should follow?

    Q5 How important do you think it is that RTÉ provides a mix of programmes or content for example entertainment, drama, music, sport and comedy as well as more serious news, current affairs and documentaries?

    Q6 How important is it to you that RTÉ provides the following?

    Programmes and other content to watch live or on-demand
    Access to live and recorded performance from its orchestra
    Programmes and other content to listen to live or on-demand
    RTÉ archive material documenting the heritage and everyday life of Ireland being accessible in all formats (video, audio, and written)
    Free-to-air television and radio services
    A wide range of written news, blogs, and other articles, available online and on mobile

    Being accountable to the public and stakeholders is a key Public Service Media principle.
    Within this context, how important do you feel each of the following activities is in ensuring that ensuring RTÉ is accountable?

    Providing the opportunity for the public to provide feedback and/ or make complaints
    Ensuring RTÉ is managed in line with best-practice
    Publishing its strategy and its objectives for each year

    Acting in the best interest of society is a key Public Service Media principle
    Within this context, how important do you feel each of the following activities is in ensuring that RTÉ acts in the best interest of society?


    Contributing to an informed society through helping us to understand both Ireland and the wider world
    Creating shared experiences through content and services that help bring the community together
    Facilitating debate on views and ideas, that contribute to a democratic society

    Striving for excellence is an important Public Service Media principle.
    Within this context, how important do you feel each of the following activities is in ensuring that RTÉ delivers on striving for excellence?


    Ensuring programme makers adhere to the highest editorial standards across all of RTɒs content
    Ensuring RTÉ audiences can enjoy the highest quality audio, video and on-demand services
    Attracting and developing the most talented people to create content for Irish audiences

    Promoting Ireland’'s diversity and culture are key Public Service Media principles.
    Within this context, how important do you feel each of the following activities is in ensuring that RTÉ promotes Ireland’s diversity and culture?


    Creating content that reflects the diversity that exists in Ireland
    Telling our stories through quality original drama
    Reflecting the diversity of religious life in Ireland
    Providing coverage of events of national interest across culture, politics, sport, and other areas
    Providing a platform for Ireland’s artists, musicians and culture
    Providing live coverage of both mainstream and minority sports

    Being for everyone and available to everyone is a key Public Service Media principle, known as universality.
    Within this context, how important do you feel each of the following activities is in ensuring that RTÉ delivers on universality?

    Providing programmes and content that cover a wide range of interests
    Providing a mix of original programmes and content for children
    Providing a mix of programmes and content in both English and Irish
    Ensuring people with disabilities can access RTÉ programmes and services
    Ensuring RTɒs content and services are as accessible as possible to everyone

    Being independent from political, commercial and other influences is a key public service media principle.
    Within this context, how important do you feel each of the following activities is in ensuring that RTÉ is independent?

    Being autonomous in all areas of programming, editorial decision-making
    Holding those in authority to account
    Providing high quality national and international news and current affairs that is accurate, fair, impartial and objective

    Supporting innovation and creativity is an important Public Service Media principle.
    Within this context, how important do you feel each of the following activities is in ensuring that RTÉ supports innovation and creativity?


    Providing a mix of programmes and content to entertain us or make us laugh
    Collaborating with the independent production sector and other external partners
    Providing high quality and relevant programmes and content
    Encouraging innovation, experimentation and originality in programming
    Providing quality documentaries that get the nation talking

    Q14 If you have any other comments you would like to make that are relevant to this consultation please use the space below:

    Finally, we would like you to provide some classification details. To confirm, findings cannot be linked back to you personally in any way.
    Survey results will only be reviewed in an aggregate anonymous form.

    NO RESPONSE NEEDS TO BE RECORDED ON THIS SCREEN. PLEASE SELECT NEXT BUTTON TO CONTINUE

    CA Please tell us if you are completing this survey in a private capacity or acting as a spokesperson for a group or organisation:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Q6 How important is it to you that RTÉ provides the following?

    Programmes and other content to watch live or on-demand

    Not important at all, your only a ****ing content provider. :pac:


  • Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.rte.ie/eile/2021/0209/1196058-have-your-say-about-rte/

    A chance to air your views, to some degree.

    Did anyone at RTE bother reviewing this important survey before publishing it?

    Full of typos and grammatical errors.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,200 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    RTÉ are killing off DAB radio.

    pay rise for Dee??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    RTÉ are killing off DAB radio.

    pay rise for Dee??

    The only part of their 2020 - 2024 strategy plan that they were able to actually implement.

    Anyway I have a feeling she isn't renewing her contract. She was due before the Houses of the Oirechtas Joint Committee on Media, Art etc in early December and also in Jan to take questions at the Future of Media Committee in late January. She is due to decide if she will ask for a 2 year extension or leave the position in June this year.

    I suspect her pay cut is for 2021 and not for 2020, meaning she'll possibly leave.


  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DAB is great. I've got hundreds of radio stations in my car on DAB channels.
    I don't switch over to FM any more.

    Irish citizens don't know what they are missing out on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I'd hate to be Dee Forbes after that disastrous Prime Time show tonight.

    I've said before, that I think Louise Byrne is rubbish on the program, but dear God was that a disastrous interview with FG and the John McGuirk, from Gript.

    First of all, no-I'm not a fan of McGuirk. Far from it. I conpletely disagree with any kind of anti-vaccine thinking.

    But he absolutely demolished Byrne tonight. It was embarrassing. Miriam O'Callahan had to come out with a swift apology at the end of the program.

    I imagine Dee will have to handle a number of phone calls tomorrow, because she dropped the ball completely there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Didn’t see the show but I think Dee Forbes and RTÉ have a much bigger problem on their plate that is going to blow up pretty soon......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,592 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Wouldn't surprise me - she's been useless from the first time she started on the show (watching now)

    Didn’t see the show but I think Dee Forbes and RTÉ have a much bigger problem on their plate that is going to blow up pretty soon......

    Tell me more or is this woke Mc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Didn’t see the show but I think Dee Forbes and RTÉ have a much bigger problem on their plate that is going to blow up pretty soon......

    Indeed. Once someone outs themselves as a 'male feminist'... you start the timer until they're outed as a sexual predator.

    Case in point, Joss Whedon.


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Wouldn't surprise me - she's been useless from the first time she started on the show (watching now)




    Tell me more or is this woke Mc?

    I'd say all of the above. RTE been dropping the ball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    I'd hate to be Dee Forbes after that disastrous Prime Time show tonight.

    I've said before, that I think Louise Byrne is rubbish on the program, but dear God was that a disastrous interview with FG and the John McGuirk, from Gript.

    First of all, no-I'm not a fan of McGuirk. Far from it. I conpletely disagree with any kind of anti-vaccine thinking.

    But he absolutely demolished Byrne tonight. It was embarrassing. Miriam O'Callahan had to come out with a swift apology at the end of the program.

    I imagine Dee will have to handle a number of phone calls tomorrow, because she dropped the ball completely there.

    McGuirk is anti vaccine??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    McGuirk is anti vaccine??

    While McGuirk himself is neither here nor there from what I can tell (he's been very pro-vaccine from the articles published on gript. At least those I've found), I was more pointing out how the 'propagated' story that RTE was disseminating was that anyone who might agree with the likes of the protesters also believed many conspiracies about vaccines.

    I do not. I've had a few vaccines, not alot of them, just the necessary ones.
    Probably wouldn't be alive without em.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    While McGuirk himself is neither here nor there from what I can tell (he's been very pro-vaccine from the articles published on gript. At least those I've found), I was more pointing out how the 'propagated' story that RTE was disseminating was that anyone who might agree with the likes of the protesters also believed many conspiracies about vaccines.

    I do not. I've had a few vaccines, not alot of them, just the necessary ones.
    Probably wouldn't be alive without em.

    Randomly came across this on Twitter

    https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1366886892927660034

    Has there ever been a bigger clown in Irish politics?

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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