Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Polar101 wrote: »

It does seem pretty clear.. relax restrictions in stages, and lift them (or most of them) once enough people are vaccinated?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/leo-varadkar-cant-rule-out-23475803
So why talk about restrictions next winter if according to Martin a critical mass is vaccinated by Summers end. I fail to see the clarity tbh.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Clear route eh? Can you share this clear route please for those of us too dim to understand?
For example what metrics have to be met for non essential retail to open, what metrics have to be met for personal services to reopen. What metrics need to be met to lift the 5km restrictions. Thanks in advance.

The clear route is to get the schools back and that is being done on a slow and cautious manner by allowing some classes back first before the rest of them goes back. Other activities follow.

I don't work in public health or government so contact your local representative to get your questions raised in the Dail because you won't get them on an online forum. I am happy with the message from the government and I don't feel like I need more information or for them to spell out a step by step plan with specific dates for reopening. The message is to get the cases down and allow the schools to go back for more easing of the restrictions.

SeaMermaid wrote: »

The clear route is to get the schools back and that is being done on a slow and cautious manner by allowing some classes back first before the rest of them goes back. Other activities follow.

I don't work in public health or government so contact your local representative to get your questions raised in the Dail because you won't get them on an online forum. I am happy with the message from the government and I don't feel like I need more information or for them to spell out a step by step plan with specific dates for reopening. The message is to get the cases down and allow the schools to go back for more easing of the restrictions.

You said there is a clear route, with the exception of what government hopes can happen in education there is no clear route whatsoever and the fact you are telling me to contact a public representative demonstrates you haven't a clue as to what you are saying.

seamus wrote: »

Great to see the Gardai taking action against scumbags.

It's so great you had to say it three times. Yes we know you think it's great.

Ficheall wrote: »

I thought you were very pro-restrictions back at the start? Could be mistaking you for someone with a similar avatar/name.

Is it possible someone might change their mind or are you of the opinion once a position is stated the person in question must under no circumstances change their mind?

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's likely that Covid will become endemic There are many unknowns about the future of the virus. I don't know if it being endemic will cause pressure on our health system, or if it will mutate to something like the common cold.

You don't know either.

We do know a reasonable bit more than this time last year - such as for example that 10% of people who get the virus have ongoing issues that may impact on their ability to work and have normal activities in their lives for a reasonably long period of time. A percentage dies from it that is considerably higher than the percentage that dies from flu. A percentage of those who go to hospital and do not die there, die within 3 - 4 months of release. We know it spreads much more easily than viruses like flus etc and can thus cause waves of hospital attendees, many of whom need serious care.
These are the kinds of things that make it undesirable as a virus to welcome among us.
There is a lot we still don't know about it. And we have no idea how it will mutate. Lots of places in the world will not see a vaccine for a very long time and will incubate variants quite freely.
And the truth is - despite the massive campaign from pharmaceutical companies and governments - that we are conducting an in-vivo trial of the LONG term effects of what are dubbed ''vaccines'' for the disease. The vaccines do not stop one getting it or transmitting it. The ''vaccines'' are a treatment, in that the reduce severity (thankfully!). But it looks as though we will have to submit to ongoing prophylactic treatment via injections for the foreseeable even though the treatment has not had long term trials in humans to see how it affects the systems after several years. How jolly for us all.

When a species doesn't know (re anything) the precautionary principle is the wisest approach. It would have been the best way to do it all along and even now. Just so we avoid ...

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You said there is a clear route, with the exception of what government hopes can happen in education there is no clear route whatsoever and the fact you are telling me to contact a public representative demonstrates you haven't a clue as to what you are saying.

I am happy with the governments message to date. I have no desire to pick it apart and dissect every word the government and NHPET speaks. The message is clear. Get the case numbers down and the schools are the priority before allowing other activities and movement in the population.

Its up to you to find out the answers to your questions. I don't have them nor will an online forum have them for you. Raising your questions with a local td will help you take your questions further where they can bring it up in the Dail. Or you can contact any number of journalists who attends NHPET briefings and see if they do it for you.

SeaMermaid wrote: »

I am happy with the governments message to date. I have no desire to pick it apart and dissect every word the government and NHPET speaks. The message is clear. Get the case numbers down and the schools are the priority before allowing other activities and movement in the population.

Its up to you to find out the answers to your questions. I don't have them nor will an online forum have them for you. Raising your questions with a local td will help you take your questions further where they can bring it up in the Dail. Or you can contact any number of journalists who attends NHPET briefings and see if they do it for you.

I'm sorry I should have been clearer in my reply. You made a claim and when asked to clarify you have been unable to do so. Probably best for you if we leave it there.

Ficheall wrote: »

You're not exactly shy about attempting to undermine posters yourself, Plumb.
But anyway, in this instance, I'd agree with seamas that those firing fireworks at the police, and those supporting them for doing so, do deserve some comeuppance. I'd disagree with the money doesn't matter post.

I'm not shy at all Fich if I 'm going to do or say something I will be upfront about it, not a fan at underhanded behaviour.