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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #1802
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalux wrote: »

    At least you know I WAS right sometime back then. :p

    Nope you were wrong then and are wrong now but you are consistent which is one thing in your favour.
    Btw according to the WHO only two diseases/viruses have been eradicated Smallpox (humans) Rinder virus ( bovine).
    To eradicate a virus requires more than what global society would be willing to do , although don't take my word for it. Plenty of papers available online.


  • #1803
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Well if you had any common sense you'd realise that they don't speak English in China and they'd have their own word for it in their language

    See so jen


  • #1804
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    Regardless of your viewpoint on zero Covid. That time has passed. All current vaccines are satisfactorily effective against all known strains. Safe, non essential International travel to certain destinations is likely to be enabled again by summer and we will be moving on once the vaccination drive ramps up.


  • #1805
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Do you remember people heading off on their holidays in the summer saying "freedom of movement" / you can't stop travel. now you can get fined for going more than 5km.

    Simpler times.


  • #1806
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    jackboy wrote: »

    You would swear that NZ are the only country in the world that tried for ZC.

    They're not , one thing I have noticed from countries that went for Zero Covid they seem to have no issue dismissing human rights. That's a regime I want no part of.


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  • #1807
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Do you remember people heading off on their holidays in the summer saying "freedom of movement" / you can't stop travel. now you can get fined for going more than 5km.

    Simpler times.

    At the start of the pandemic anyone here who said that masks could or would be mandated was written of as crazy. The majority opinion was that it couldn’t be done in a country like Ireland.

    Some people just have closed minds.


  • #1808
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I have plenty of common sense, for example I don't log on to Weibo and tell Chinese people what they should be doing. I don't live there, it would be presumptuous and antagonistic of me if I did.

    So an Irish person can't discuss things happening in Ireland on a discussion forum?

    Can people in Cork talk about things happening in Dublin? Can Irish people talk about American politics?
    I'm not sure what type of backward thinking that is


  • #1809
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They're not , one thing I have noticed from countries that went for Zero Covid they seem to have no issue dismissing human rights. That's a regime I want no part of.

    Yeah totally agree. :pac: Would want to live somewhere like that.
    The Special Criminal Court has been criticised by the Irish Council for Civil Liberties,[7] Amnesty International[8] and the United Nations Commission on Human Rights,[9] for its procedures and for being a special court, which ordinarily should not be used against civilians.
    Among the criticisms are the lack of a jury, and the increasing use of the court to try organised "ordinary" crimes rather than the terrorist cases it was originally set up to handle

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Criminal_Court


  • #1810
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Nope you were wrong then and are wrong now but you are consistent which is one thing in your favour.
    Btw according to the WHO only two diseases/viruses have been eradicated Smallpox (humans) Rinder virus ( bovine).
    To eradicate a virus requires more than what global society would be willing to do , although don't take my word for it. Plenty of papers available online.

    It will always exist now. I knew that from day one. Pandora's box does not accept returns.
    It could however exist in very small amounts and the flare ups could be strictly controlled - like say Bubonic plague .

    And yep, I am consistent about what I believe is rational.


  • #1811
    MizMix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭MizMix


    The zero covid supporters- is there any understanding of how life works around the border? I live in a border town- I own a company which is situated a mere 10 metres north (as you're driving in the gates you enter the UK). It's completely fluid- all the businesses around me are a mix of Northern and Southern workers and companies. Couriers from the South collect from us- we even had one the other day say he didn't know he had crossed the border! If I look North there's a big hotel which is technically in the South. My staff from Newry- as they drive to work they briefly pass into the South before crossing back again. Previous border checks caused my manager delays of over one hour- she lives 10 minutes away. She's a northern resident going to a northern business and still got held up driving in by the guards.

    Besides- they are the ones that should be concerned about us going North now given how far ahead they are on their vaccination schedule.


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  • #1812
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    So an Irish person can't discuss things happening in Ireland on a discussion forum?

    Can people in Cork talk about things happening in Dublin? Can Irish people talk about American politics?
    I'm not sure what type of backward thinking that is
    It's just me but if I were calling for restrictions on the lives of others ,it seems fair I should also be subject to those restrictions and reside in the geographical area where they apply.


  • #1813
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    MizMix wrote: »
    The zero covid supporters- is there any understanding of how life works around the border? I live in a border town- I own a company which is situated a mere 10 metres north (as you're driving in the gates you enter the UK). It's completely fluid- all the businesses around me are a mix of Northern and Southern workers and companies. Couriers from the South collect from us- we even had one the other day say he didn't know he had crossed the border! If I look North there's a big hotel which is technically in the South. My staff from Newry- as they drive to work they briefly pass into the South before crossing back again. Previous border checks caused my manager delays of over one hour- she lives 10 minutes away. She's a northern resident going to a northern business and still got held up driving in by the guards.

    Besides- they are the ones that should be concerned about us going North now given how far ahead they are on their vaccination schedule.

    UK and Ireland approach.

    Done. You are welcome.


  • #1814
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,334 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    MizMix wrote: »
    The zero covid supporters- is there any understanding of how life works around the border? I live in a border town- I own a company which is situated a mere 10 metres north (as you're driving in the gates you enter the UK). It's completely fluid- all the businesses around me are a mix of Northern and Southern workers and companies. Couriers from the South collect from us- we even had one the other day say he didn't know he had crossed the border! If I look North there's a big hotel which is technically in the South. My staff from Newry- as they drive to work they briefly pass into the South before crossing back again. Previous border checks caused my manager delays of over one hour- she lives 10 minutes away. She's a northern resident going to a northern business and still got held up driving in by the guards.

    Besides- they are the ones that should be concerned about us going North now given how far ahead they are on their vaccination schedule.

    But when you sit down on the toilet and think then easy solutions can be found to sort all this out!!


  • #1815
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    It will always exist now. I knew that from day one. Pandora's box does not accept returns.
    It could however exist in very small amounts and the flare ups could be strictly controlled - like say Bubonic plague .

    And yep, I am consistent about what I believe is rational.
    You believe your opinion is rational, I don't based on previous interaction with you.


  • #1816
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭plodder


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    Just read Auckland going into a 7-day lockdown.
    More proof zero covid wouldn't work here.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #1817
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    UK and Ireland approach.

    Done. You are welcome.

    Or even just an all island approach. Given I live on the border too, I know lots of people in NI who are not happy with the sh!t show of lots of deaths and extra morbidity and protracted lockdowns that has been euphemistically called ''living with Covid''.


  • #1818
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    jackboy wrote: »
    At the start of the pandemic anyone here who said that masks could or would be mandated was written of as crazy. The majority opinion was that it couldn’t be done in a country like Ireland.

    Some people just have closed minds.


    And if you go back on previous posts you will find the same posters denigrating a zero covid policy were anti maskers back then too.

    This place is filled to the brim with negative contrarian trolls unfortunately.


  • #1819
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You believe your opinion is rational, I don't based on previous interaction with you.

    I don't believe your opinion is rational based on previous interaction with you.


  • #1820
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ginoginelli wrote: »

    This place is filled to the brim with negative contrarian trolls unfortunately.

    Everyone that disagrees with Zero Covid is a negative contrarian troll? Good to know, helps identify the same ones .


  • #1821
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭h2005


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    UK and Ireland approach.

    Done. You are welcome.

    If only life was as simple as this post.


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  • #1822
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Auckland to begin seven-day lockdown as Covid case confirmed.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0227/1199696-coronavirus-new-zealand/

    Didn't they just go through a lockdown recently enough? I hope it doesn't get bad for them since they done so well so far.


  • #1823
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    h2005 wrote: »
    If only life was as simple as this post.

    It's not as if we have an imaginary border and a common travel area or anything.

    It would take ages to get out of the Schengen Agreement for instance. We'd need primary legislation and that would take months.....:pac:

    Meanwhile on the continent in countries are signatories of Schengen (we are not by the way). Someone should tell them it's impossible to police a border.

    Coronavirus: France announces new border checks with Germany
    France is set to tighten controls in its Moselle region, as the rate of infection due to new variants rises in the area.
    From Monday, cross-border workers will have to submit to a PCR test before crossing.
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    https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-france-announces-new-border-checks-with-germany/a-56702063


  • #1824
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Coronavirus: France announces new border checks with Germany
    France is set to tighten controls in its Moselle region, as the rate of infection due to new variants rises in the area.
    From Monday, cross-border workers will have to submit to a PCR test before crossing.

    ROH MY GOD. Mais c'est impossible! :pac: das bloody Französisch!


  • #1825
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's just me but if I were calling for restrictions on the lives of others ,it seems fair I should also be subject to those restrictions and reside in the geographical area where they apply.

    I'm not sure how that works, I've seen Irish people comment on things from Gaza to Syria, from Mexican border walls to Black lives matter.

    Irish has a long history of immigration so according to you that if someone leaves the country that they're not allowed comment on it anymore?


  • #1826
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Tell the extra 4274 dead people, the people who loved them, and the 10% of people who got Covid and have long term effects from it that it is just another news report.

    Yes sadly a lot of people have died because of Covid here and there are those who are still experiencing issues after contracting it. What is your strategy in preventing deaths from say pancreatic cancer? Or pneumonia or heart disease?

    At what point do we accept that people will die from Covid and that we can't be saviours of the world.


  • #1827
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,564 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    techdiver wrote: »
    I think the problem or more perception is that the people making the decisions to put people out of work through restrictions are in no way effected by them. As someone who hasn't been impacted (in fact in some ways life is better for me since I no longer have a horrible commute each day) as I have worked from home full time since last March, I can still empathise and see the perceived problem with people making decisions that are the least impacted by them.

    For many people they have been essentially unemployed or underemployed for a year now. That will have major knock on effects on their financial well being in the future. Despite the rhetoric we are not all in this together. Some are more than others and the ones making the decisions, rightly or wrongly are the least impacted by those decisions.

    Should you only go to a doctor that is sick, so that you'll have that in common?


  • #1828
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes sadly a lot of people have died because of Covid here and there are those who are still experiencing issues after contracting it. What is your strategy in preventing deaths from say pancreatic cancer? Or pneumonia or heart disease?

    At what point do we accept that people will die from Covid and that we can't be saviours of the world.

    Is pancreatic cancer communicable and can it cause a pandemic that overwhelms hospitals?

    Heart disease also?

    I've heard the people die argument. Why don't we bring back smallpox or cholera and test this theory out? I'd hazard a guess people wouldn't like to live with those diseases.


  • #1829
    Plumbthedepths
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I'm not sure how that works, I've seen Irish people comment on things from Gaza to Syria, from Mexican border walls to Black lives matter.

    Irish has a long history of immigration so according to you that if someone leaves the country that they're not allowed comment on it anymore?

    Yeah I 've seen comments from Irish people on Facebook posts saying how evil Trump was when he was whipping up support to build a wall. A lot of responses the Irish posters got was f**k off and mind your own business. Bit extreme tbh but I could see the reasoning behind the suggestion.


  • #1830
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    That graph is going down week on week . In a month we should be seeing cases nearly ready to open up more .
    Hospitalisations slowing as well as admissions to ICU , slowly , but we knew that would be the case.
    I am feeling more optimistic than have been for weeks...

    This is great progress. Below quote is from a book that was published in 19th century by a chap called Dickens. I've changed the sequence of the sentences but message rings true:

    'It was the worst of times, it was the best of times, it was the season of darkness,it was the season of light, it was the winter of despair, it was the spring of hope, we had nothing before us, we had everything before us'


    It is the spring of hope, hope springs eternal.


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  • #1831
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭celt262


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Didn't they just go through a lockdown recently enough? I hope it doesn't get bad for them since they done so well so far.

    They cant hide from it forever.

    Are they carrying out vaccinations there at the moment?


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