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Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

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    #5072
    [Deleted User]
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    Cordell wrote: »
    How so? Was there common to have your life destroyed for merely saying things that went against the official narrative? Because I can tell you where this actually happened, in the far left socialist Eastern Europe.

    ?

    To the first part yes. Criticism of Catholicism etc was not safe in many jobs.

    Neither Catholicism or modern cancel culture, as horrible as it is, are comparable to communism.


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    #5073
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Cordell wrote: »
    How so? Was there common to have your life destroyed for merely saying things that went against the official narrative? Because I can tell you where this actually happened, in the far left socialist Eastern Europe.

    More rewriting of history by the left.


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    #5074
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    More rewriting of history by the left.

    You guys all need to read a history book.


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    #5075
    [Deleted User]
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    Cordell wrote: »
    How so? Was there common to have your life destroyed for merely saying things that went against the official narrative? Because I can tell you where this actually happened, in the far left socialist Eastern Europe.
    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    More rewriting of history by the left.
    Have some people here already forgotten about the iron curtain, the countries of Eastern Europe were mostly under communist control and as such their history education was very limited, and they were also told only "one version of the truth" any contrarian voices were silenced.


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    #5076
    Achebe
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Achebe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You guys all need to read a history book.

    There's more chance of the regular posters on this thread coming out as gender fluid than of them reading a history book.


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    #5077
    inforfun
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/amanda-gorman-poem-translation-dutch-b1808315.html

    When you are woke but too white.


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    #5078
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Achebe wrote: »
    There's more chance of the regular posters on this thread coming out as gender fluid than of them reading a history book.

    Enough about your gender fluids, thanks.


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    #5079
    Achebe
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Achebe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    ?

    To the first part yes. Criticism of Catholicism etc was not safe in many jobs.

    Neither Catholicism or modern cancel culture, as horrible as it is, are comparable to communism.

    Let's take the US as an example, seeing as it's apparently the home of wokeness today.

    In the mid 2000s, publically opposing the Iraq War in the US was risky move. The Dixie Chicks most famously found that out, but it seems some posters' memory doesn't even go back that far.

    In the 50s, being remotely left-wing could result in being smeared with accusations of being a communist. Many people were blacklisted from working because of this.

    There have indeed been times when the right were very happy to "cancel" people.


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    #5080
    Achebe
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Achebe


    inforfun wrote: »
    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/amanda-gorman-poem-translation-dutch-b1808315.html

    When you are woke but too white.

    I hear there's a new translation of Confucius coming out. I suggest we get a translator who is actually an ancient Chinese scholar.


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    #5081
    Rothko
    Registered Users Posts: 12,846 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Achebe wrote: »
    There's more chance of the regular posters on this thread coming out as gender fluid than of them reading a history book.

    A dig with no substance.


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    #5082
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You guys all need to read a history book.

    You all need to make more realistic/suitable comparisons...

    You're comparing apples with nukes.


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    #5083
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,723 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Achebe wrote: »
    Let's take the US as an example, seeing as it's apparently the home of wokeness today.

    In the mid 2000s, publically opposing the Iraq War in the US was risky move. The Dixie Chicks most famously found that out, but it seems some posters' memory doesn't even go back that far.

    In the 50s, being remotely left-wing could result in being smeared with accusations of being a communist. Many people were blacklisted from working because of this.

    There have indeed been times when the right were very happy to "cancel" people.

    It was completely a right wing thing. Same as censorship. I always associated that more with the right. Has completely swung the other way.

    You were a monster if you criticised the Iraq war. Freedom fries for gods sake because the French wouldn't support their silly war.


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    #5084
    [Deleted User]
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    Achebe wrote: »
    There have indeed been times when the right were very happy to "cancel" people.

    I honestly don't care who started it... I'm more bothered by who is using it right now, and it's effect on society.


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    #5085
    Achebe
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Achebe


    Rothko wrote: »
    A dig with no substance.

    There's a lot of refusal to engage with any sort of historical context on this thread. Just look at the recent mental gymnastics to deny that right wingers have ever tried to silence those who think differently. Not that two wrongs make a right of course.


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    #5086
    Achebe
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Achebe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I honestly don't care who started it... I'm more bothered by who is using it right now, and it's effect on society.

    That's fair enough. I was only pointing all of this out because some people apparently have no historical knowledge and think this never happened.


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    #5087
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,723 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    It's obviously not as bad as communism because nobody is going to stick you in the gulag.

    The similarity is being forced out of jobs or your life ruined for your political beliefs, which is meant to be protected in a democracy. I don't agree with or want to defend a lot of conservative beliefs but people have a right to have them.


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    #5088
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Cienciano wrote: »
    I just wanted to see if someone could admit the right do the same thing. At least you did, fair play. RandRuns couldn't do it, had to make excuses.
    That's all.

    Well, I genuinely hate cancel culture. So it was an easy question for me to answer. It really genuine bugs me and I’ve thought about it a lot. No matter who does it, I hate it, mainly because I believe that it breeds resentment and can actually cause malignant political movements to foment. I want everything out in the open and discussed. The Dixie Chicks should be able to say they hate Bush. People can then challenge them on their views. Germaine Greer should be able to say that she doesn’t believe that transgender women are women. She can also be challenged.

    It’s both right and left these days. It used to mostly just be a right wing phenomenon. Does the left really want to adopt one of the worst aspects of right wing politics?


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    #5089
    Cordell
    Registered Users Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Does the left really want to adopt one of the worst aspects of right wing politics?
    Personal freedoms, liberties and responsibility, these are the right wing things that scare the leftist :)
    Censorship and cancel culture are far left and far right things, this is what the left is adopting. Extremism and fundamentalism.


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    #5090
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Danzy wrote: »
    The Left are starting to view Asians as problematic, they don't fit the narrative, same is happening with Jews and even with African immigrants in America.

    It's no coincidence that all 3 groups are the top performers in American society.


    Asians in the US are already in some cases, treated as being "White"
    The two graphs will explain everything.
    The whole People of Colour united against the racist white people nonsense isn't going to last forever.




    average-iq-per-race-statistic-black-white-asian-indian-asian-arab.png

    real-median-household-income-by-race-1.png?fit=1456,9999


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    #5091
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    RandRuns wrote: »
    True, there are some companies that seem to make plenty off the back of being woke (Ben & Jerrys is another one), but I think the audience is critical - Gillette got hammered because they basically told their core buyers that they were bad people. Netflix can spout all the woke rubbish they want, because it doesn't affect their customers - Homeland and Ozark are still the same shows, whether Netflix pretends to be woke or not. Nike pitched their wokeness well- they basically persuaded their gullible customers (who buy rubbish shoes made by child slaves for 50 or 100 times their worth) that everybody else was bad, but they were good.
    Targeting college kids is only a worthwhile exercise if they will buy from you - college kids won't buy Gillette, no matter how woke - the small percentage of them that shave buy cheaper brands. Netflix and Nike are prime targets for the college dollar.

    Obese loners I said, not ordinary obese people ;)


    I subscribe to Netflix to watch The crown, cancel my subscription as soon as the season is watched. I don't pay for their crap all year.


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    #5092
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Colin kaepernick was a victim on cancer culture from the right
    The truth is Colin kaepernick was a below average Quarterback.
    He cancelled himself by his performance on the field.

    If it wasn't for his mouth, very few people would know him today.


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    #5093
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Ah, so the Dixie Chicks would be an example then.


    They didn't get cancelled, they committed suicide.
    They condemned President Bush in front of a foreign audience.
    If they had condemned him in their native Dallas, it would have blown over in a day or two.
    Big difference, they came across as spineless.


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    #5094
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You all need to make more realistic/suitable comparisons...

    You're comparing apples with nukes.

    No I’m comparing modern woke with previous right wing censorship. It’s the guys who compare modern wokism - which I despise - with communism who are comparing apples with nukes.

    If you don’t think you had to hold your tongue in Catholic Ireland to keep your job, particularly in the public sector, you don’t know much history. And of course you couldn’t be openly gay, or pregnant outside marriage as, say, a teacher. And it is in education where opinions are more than likely to get you fired today as well. This time from the left.

    Movies were banned, ie cancelled by the state. Books were also banned.

    Even in the US banned books. Huckleberry Finn was banned by the right and again now by the left.

    https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/789/adventures-of-huckleberry-finn

    A 1907 article in the Library Journal reported that Mark Twain’s Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (1885) had been banned somewhere every year since its publication.

    https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/the-adventures-of-huckleberry-finn/

    2019: Citing the use of racial slurs in the books, Duluth (MN) school district administrators decided to remove Twain’s book and To Kill a Mockingbird from the curriculum “to protect the dignity of our students” and not require them to read books that marginalize them.

    It’s a good canary in the mine, Huck.


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    #5095
    Biafranlivemat
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    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Biscuits for fup sake lol

    https://twitter.com/Oreo/status/1365038991469281280


    Black Conservatives are called "Oreos" by Democrats, because they Black on the outside and White in the center.


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    #5096
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Trying to learn the difference. Was Colin Kapernick getting blackballed cancel culture? OR the Dixie Chicks?

    If you don't know, it's here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chicks#2003%E2%80%932005:_Iraq_War_comments_and_backlash


    Yes Wikipedia, a website known for being factual and having no left wing bias:rolleyes:


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    #5097
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Deleted User wrote: »
    ?

    To the first part yes. Criticism of Catholicism etc was not safe in many jobs.

    Neither Catholicism or modern cancel culture, as horrible as it is, are comparable to communism.


    My grandfather had a very low opinion of his local parish priest back in the 40's.It didn't affect his business.
    Non of the villagers boycotted him and, yes everybody including the priest knew what those opinions were.


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    #5098
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    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    My grandfather had a very low opinion of his local parish priest back in the 40's.It didn't affect his business.
    Non of the villagers boycotted him and, yes everybody including the priest knew what those opinions were.

    There were boycotts of Protestant shops in Wexford at the request of the local priest, who wanted the shop keepers - a mixed marriage couple - to bring up their child as Catholic.

    On the whole though the self employed were and are freer to speak their mind than other groups. A teacher who voiced unfavourable opinions the priest or bishop would be reprimanded and possibly lose a job.


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    #5099
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    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    My grandfather had a very low opinion of his local parish priest back in the 40's.It didn't affect his business.
    Non of the villagers boycotted him and, yes everybody including the priest knew what those opinions were.

    There were boycotts of Protestant shops in Wexford at the request of the local priest, who wanted the shop keepers - a mixed marriage couple - to bring up their child as Catholic.

    On the whole though the self employed were and are freer to speak their mind than other groups. A teacher who voiced unfavourable opinions the priest or bishop would be reprimanded and possibly lose a job.


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    #5100
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Achebe wrote: »
    Let's take the US as an example, seeing as it's apparently the home of wokeness today.

    In the mid 2000s, publically opposing the Iraq War in the US was risky move. The Dixie Chicks most famously found that out, but it seems some posters' memory doesn't even go back that far.

    In the 50s, being remotely left-wing could result in being smeared with accusations of being a communist. Many people were blacklisted from working because of this.

    There have indeed been times when the right were very happy to "cancel" people.
    In the mid 2000s, publically opposing the Iraq War in the US was risky move.


    It was ? who was fired from they're job and have their lives destroyed forever.
    I was not very happy about the invasion and the horrible occupation of Iraq
    Everyone knew that at work.
    Nowadays if I walk into work next Monday morning and complain about the BLM gang, I would be fired before noon.


    And I think you are talking about the "McCarthyism" in the 50's.
    That was terrible and I believe he was censured by the Senate.

    And don't forget that a young Robert F. Kennedy, a civil rights champion was an assistant counsel to the subcommittee.
    Another great "Liberal"Kennedy.


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    #5101
    Corben Dallas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    They didn't get cancelled, they committed suicide.
    They condemned President Bush in front of a foreign audience.
    If they had condemned him in their native Dallas, it would have blown over in a day or two.
    Big difference, they came across as spineless.

    Come on u cant really suggest this would be the case.... more like...If they had condemned him in their native Dallas, they would have been blown over up in a day or two.


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