Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

Str8outtaWuhan · 26-02-2021 11:56PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Dr Ronan Glynn warns against play dates and school gate crowds in open letter.

Christmas must be fun in his house :rolleyes:

Ray Donovan · 27-02-2021 12:11AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I will be doing something similar on the 12th but I won't be checking anything, correcting anything or checking that they have everything back. That is up to them as they are in 6th and we teach them to be self sufficient.

Edited to say that every single piece of work we have done and has been submitted to me has been corrected and feedback given. I will not be looking at the books or copies that it was done in. Double marking isn't something I'll be doing.

A big star for you.

hesaidshesaid · 27-02-2021 12:16AM

Have to say I think the content and tone of that letter is excellent. There's no waffle or high-brow medical jargon, he just lays out clearly what needs to happen to keep schools open and gives some hope with the vaccine roll-out. Tony H has done well IMO but I find Ronan Glynn's approach more straightforward and accessible.

As opposed to Dr Abigail Collins and co. - their approach to school staff and the school situation in general is incredibly patronising and completely at odds with the lived experience of those in schools.

wirelessdude01 · 27-02-2021 12:20AM

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Have to say I think the content and tone of that letter is excellent. There's no waffle or high-brow medical jargon, he just lays out clearly what needs to happen to keep schools open and gives some hope with the vaccine roll-out. Tony H has done well IMO but I find Ronan Glynn's approach more straightforward and accessible.

As opposed to Dr Abigail Collins and co. - their approach to school staff and the school situation in general is incredibly patronising and completely at odds with the lived experience of those in schools.

Abigail Collins made such a fool of herself on that DES webinar back in January when they were trying to say schools were safe.

Zaney · 27-02-2021 12:26AM

Wombatman wrote: »

Dr Ronan Glynn warns against play dates and school gate crowds in open letter.

I completely agree with this see “ the Nphet’s most significant concern is that it will be taken as a signal by parents and wider society that other forms of household mixing, and mobility are now acceptable.”

Just because my child can mix in a class of 30 I will not assume I can meet a few friends. That would increase the chance of my child bringing Covid into school. But many people just don’t understand the logic and the intention to prioritise education over adults socialising.

hadepsx · 27-02-2021 01:27AM

How can they let children and teenagers go back to school, sit in class with 30 other children or teenagers, yet they are in the knowledge of this new variant doing the rounds, but we can't have visitors over to the house?

Icyseanfitz · 27-02-2021 01:37AM

Reopening schools is a signal to a lot of the general public that things are better and more movement/meeting is acceptable, how could it not be when we are being told that schools are safe for children and staff to reopen as we did in September albeit in a 3 phased approach over 5-6 weeks.

Warbeastrior · 27-02-2021 02:09AM

The school reopening is absolute madness. I know one junior school that is made up off junior infants, senior infants, 1st class and 2nd class.
The whole school is back on Monday.

That is 800 children due back.
EIGHT HUNDRED!!!

The government dont care about the safety of children or school staff. They just want to be able to say "We got the schools open!"

They are an absolute disgrace. Shame on Norma Foley, Josepha Madigan and the rest of the snakes.

Ya can throw in RTE as well with Claire Byrne and those clowns on Prime Time for ranting about the schools needing to be opened.

Of course children need to be in school but that school has to be safe for them and the staff.
It currently is not.

Del Griffith · 27-02-2021 07:57AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Reopening schools is a signal to a lot of the general public that things are better and more movement/meeting is acceptable, how could it not be when we are being told that schools are safe for children and staff to reopen as we did in September albeit in a 3 phased approach over 5-6 weeks.

Good

Van.Bosch · 27-02-2021 09:17AM

hadepsx wrote: »

How can they let children and teenagers go back to school, sit in class with 30 other children or teenagers, yet they are in the knowledge of this new variant doing the rounds, but we can't have visitors over to the house?

Kids need education, people don’t need to visit.

That’s the thinking, prioritise.

Wanderer78 · 27-02-2021 09:20AM

Van.Bosch wrote:

Kids need education, people donâ€™t need to visit.

Van.Bosch wrote:

Thatâ€™s the thinking, prioritise.

...and you d wonder why we 're struggling with this thing!

Clouron · 27-02-2021 09:45AM

Schools are the priority.

Everything else can stay closed.

Its up to the parents now not to congregate and not to mix with families for playdates. If the numbers go up...parents will be blamed and we will all be back to double jobbing at home. Don't fancy that.

combat14 · 27-02-2021 10:16AM

if it is safe for schools to open with no masks etc. it is safe for everyone else to go about their business too

thats how most people see it

perhaps there is no need for a phased return at all if it is that safe why cant all students go back monday

CruelSummer · 27-02-2021 10:23AM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

The school reopening is absolute madness. I know one junior school that is made up off junior infants, senior infants, 1st class and 2nd class.
The whole school is back on Monday.

That is 800 children due back.
EIGHT HUNDRED!!!

The government dont care about the safety of children or school staff. They just want to be able to say "We got the schools open!"

They are an absolute disgrace. Shame on Norma Foley, Josepha Madigan and the rest of the snakes.

Ya can throw in RTE as well with Claire Byrne and those clowns on Prime Time for ranting about the schools needing to be opened.

Of course children need to be in school but that school has to be safe for them and the staff.
It currently is not.

This post is completely hysterical. It's beyond time schools went back - especially for the younger cohort. Guess what - they're going to be fine.
Shame on you and the other hysterical posters trying to deny children their education and some semblance of normality during this time.

CruelSummer · 27-02-2021 10:27AM

combat14 wrote: »

if it is safe for schools to open with no masks etc. it is safe for everyone else to go about their business too

thats how most people see it

perhaps there is no need for a phased return at all if it is that safe why cant all students go back monday

That's uneducated in the extreme. But I suppose the misinformed have to throw a strop somewhere and it will be here this weekend. Adults are much more likely statistically to get Covid, become infected and transmit it. Statistics show this increases with age. That's why they wear masks at 2nd level.
Young children, especially those in the age-group going back now are least likely to test positive, contract and transmit Covid. They would be unable to learn and develop with masks on, phonics, speech and language, reading, emotional regulation and expression / interpretation, there's many books and research about this. Go and find it.

is_that_so · 27-02-2021 10:27AM

combat14 wrote: »

if it is safe for schools to open with no masks etc. it is safe for everyone else to go about their business too

thats how most people see it

perhaps there is no need for a phased return at all if it is that safe why cant all students go back monday

It's less about the kids than the movement of people and the possible mingling at the school gate. It's just a whole lot of caution.

Stateofyou · 27-02-2021 10:39AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's less about the kids than the movement of people and the possible mingling at the school gate. It's just a whole lot of caution.

Of course it's about aerosol transmission in an environment such as a small, over crowded classroom, often lacking proper ventilation and no masks in primary. Hence the reason for documents outlining the safety measures in the schools (mostly a farce, but they're there). Desks 2m apart (where possible). Open windows (where possible). Staggered drop off/collection times. Sanitising and hand washing rules. Masks in secondary. Etc.

The mingling at the gate, the travel to/from school, eating of lunch - all part of it.

Stateofyou · 27-02-2021 10:42AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

That's uneducated in the extreme. But I suppose the misinformed have to throw a strop somewhere and it will be here this weekend. Adults are much more likely statistically to get Covid, become infected and transmit it. Statistics show this increases with age. That's why they wear masks at 2nd level.
Young children, especially those in the age-group going back now are least likely to test positive, contract and transmit Covid. They would be unable to learn and develop with masks on, phonics, speech and language, reading, emotional regulation and expression / interpretation, there's many books and research about this. Go and find it.

That isn't true.

They're most likely to be asymptomatic and therefore least tested. Especially with the narrow definition of a close contact which only exists in the schools.

Stateofyou · 27-02-2021 10:47AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

This post is completely hysterical. It's beyond time schools went back - especially for the younger cohort. Guess what - they're going to be fine.
Shame on you and the other hysterical posters trying to deny children their education and some semblance of normality during this time.

Guess what-you don't know.

The *outrage* :rolleyes:

penny piper · 27-02-2021 10:48AM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

The school reopening is absolute madness. I know one junior school that is made up off junior infants, senior infants, 1st class and 2nd class.
The whole school is back on Monday.

That is 800 children due back.
EIGHT HUNDRED!!!

The government dont care about the safety of children or school staff. They just want to be able to say "We got the schools open!"

They are an absolute disgrace. Shame on Norma Foley, Josepha Madigan and the rest of the snakes.

Ya can throw in RTE as well with Claire Byrne and those clowns on Prime Time for ranting about the schools needing to be opened.

Of course children need to be in school but that school has to be safe for them and the staff.
It currently is not.

I absolutely agree with you .....ofcourse children need to be educated but at the same time they need to be safe...my children go back to dublin to teach on Monday...the problem is you are now dealing with a new variant that does make younger adults/children ill....people seem to forget this ....I really think school should have been kept closed longer.....as I've typed before I think LC should be still remote .....if they are going to college/uni in a few months they should be well capable of doing this.

thomasdylan · 27-02-2021 10:53AM

I work between two hospitals. I'm sure there are some people with concerns but everyone I'm in contact with is delighted schools are reopening and happy to send their children back.

penny piper · 27-02-2021 10:57AM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Of course it's about aerosol transmission in an environment such as a small, over crowded classroom, often lacking proper ventilation and no masks in primary. Hence the reason for documents outlining the safety measures in the schools (mostly a farce, but they're there). Desks 2m apart (where possible). Open windows (where possible). Staggered drop off/collection times. Sanitising and hand washing rules. Masks in secondary. Etc.

The mingling at the gate, the travel to/from school, eating of lunch - all part of it.

Does anyone know what these so called inspectors do? checking for ventilation
etc..
One came to one of my daughter's school asked if the windows were all open and just about took off after that..this was just before christmas...the hse/government don't care at all ......as for the teaching unions ...well abismal...

yrreg0850 · 27-02-2021 12:02PM

thomasdylan wrote: »

I work between two hospitals. I'm sure there are some people with concerns but everyone I'm in contact with is delighted schools are reopening and happy to send their children back.

Everyone except some of the teachers on this forum.

As you can see they are even complaining with the media for suggesting they go back to work.

History Queen · 27-02-2021 12:25PM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

Everyone except some of the teachers on this forum.

As you can see they are even complaining with the media for suggesting they go back to work.

Back to work? Teachers have been working. As you know.

combat14 · 27-02-2021 12:29PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

That's uneducated in the extreme. But I suppose the misinformed have to throw a strop somewhere and it will be here this weekend. Adults are much more likely statistically to get Covid, become infected and transmit it. Statistics show this increases with age. That's why they wear masks at 2nd level.
Young children, especially those in the age-group going back now are least likely to test positive, contract and transmit Covid. They would be unable to learn and develop with masks on, phonics, speech and language, reading, emotional regulation and expression / interpretation, there's many books and research about this. Go and find it.

guess thats why the leaving certs 17-19 are all going in too when a similar age cohort at further ed and third level are all 100% online as it is not yet safe for them

it all makes perfect sense

Zaney · 27-02-2021 12:43PM

History Queen wrote: »

Back to work? Teachers have been working. As you know.

I work in the private sector - my work is measured on outcomes, not hours worked.

My 7 year old has most definitely not been sufficiently educated over the last two months. I don’t blame the teacher or his efforts. I don’t blame me or my efforts as a parent. I don’t blame my 7 year old or her efforts as a student. We all three are finding remote learning very difficult. And all three of us are delighted that schools are starting to reopen Monday.

Warbeastrior · 27-02-2021 12:46PM

Zaney wrote:

My 7 year old has most definitely not been sufficiently educated over the last two months. I donâ€™t blame the teacher or his efforts. I donâ€™t blame me or my efforts as a parent. I donâ€™t blame my 7 year old or her efforts as a student. We all three are finding remote learning very difficult. And all three of us are delighted that schools are starting to reopen Monday.

So you're generalising again. I know plenty of primary students and their families that are very happy with how remote learning is going.

If you're not happy, get onto the school and sort out a plan.

Eoinbmw · 27-02-2021 12:52PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

So you're generalising again. I know plenty of primary students and their families that are very happy with how remote learning is going.

If you're not happy, get onto the school and sort out a plan.

With out going back over things it's been posted numerous times not all children can learn remotely!

Warbeastrior · 27-02-2021 12:58PM

Eoinbmw wrote:

With out going back over things it's been posted numerous times not all children can learn remotely!

And not all children hate it which has been implied multiple times as well.
I know it doesn't suit every child but we're getting to a stage now where we are risking lives in order to get schools buildings open for a children's education. Of course their education is important but it's more important than the potential threat to their life.

These new strains are far more infectious to children. Community transmission is still too high. The cases actually rose again yday.

I'm not saying keep them closed for the next year. I wud say until it is safe.
Back in September, children went back when we had about 50 cases a day. Now they are going back when we're at about 800 with more varients.

Its night and day.

Deeec · 27-02-2021 01:09PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

So you're generalising again. I know plenty of primary students and their families that are very happy with how remote learning is going.

If you're not happy, get onto the school and sort out a plan.

All parents I know agree that remote learning does not work - it was ok while numbers were high but in no way does it compare to children attending school. I dont know any parents who are not willing to send their children back to school. Of course parents have concerns but they realise that going back to school is best for their childs development. Those that love remote learning are very few and far between and usually have their own reasons for that. Real life seems to differ alot to what is said on this thread.

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