Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

1…5455575960…326

Comments

  • #1682
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    This thread is becoming more and more unreadable by the day, it's morphing into DailyMailesque analysis and hysterics. Can we have a dedicated thread that is just to discuss the data.. Or at least for posters to have to quantify what they are saying to make this thread more accessible. It's a shame because there's really good contributions being lost in the noise.


  • #1683
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    seamus wrote: »
    Go back to first principles. It's not a "stay within 5k" order. It's a "stay at home" order .
    The only exceptions are travel for essential reason (incl essential work), and exercise.

    When exercising, you are limited to 5k. Why? Because otherwise people would travel halfway across the country for the weekend and say they're "exercising". 5km provides a decent radius in which you can go for a walk or a run or a cycle.

    As someone who both road cycles and mountain bikes, I can tell you the 5km does not provide a decent radius to go for a cycle.
    The 5km exercise rule is ideal for people who like to go for an evening stroll or a leisurely pedal but after close on 3 out of the last 4 months being confined to 5km, the roads available get very repetitive and certainly not ideal for endurance training.


  • #1684
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Nobody missed the spirit of what he was talking about. He made a clumsy and condescending point. He deserved his blowback. And this came only a day after he said some people were getting in a tiz about it all. There's an awful air of "better than you" off him. He pizzed people off and they let him know. But there's a lot of that going around these days, isn't there Arghus?

    Nada mas.

    They very much did miss the spirit of what Seamus was saying. As have you. Seamus was replying to the implication that people on 300k+ were having an easy time at it in lockdown. That's bit a like assuming people with money can't experience depression or other problems. We would expect them to have an easier time at it during lockdown but money is not a guarantee of wealth in the most important of forms. Lockdown and the loneliness may just as easily impact them as others. It may even impact some more severely. We have no way or really knowing. To assume people not on covid support payments or on income over 200k are not suffering because their financial position is better is naive in the extreme.

    Empathy runs both ways and nuance is actual position one can take. Seamus's point did miss the mark. So too did many of the responses to his post.


  • #1685
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    b0nk1e wrote: »

    I am afraid I am neither bright nor young, and I would take further objection to being referred to as a thing.

    (As I write this, I wonder what became of Jack Lambert: he seemed to vanish from the airwaves, having been a semi-permanent fixture, once he supported reopening).

    However, you have asked me to select a single one of the links and discuss it with you, which I will.

    I will select the one I entitled

    All that stuff you quote is correct. It is incredible that we have so many effective vaccines ready to roll. That wasn't so sure. First mRNA vaccines ever. The data coming out is amazing. Really positive.


  • #1686
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    Most of my friends that range in the 28 to 35 age are completely done with restrictions and attending house parties tonight.

    Talking to a work colleague as well and said he can't take it anymore that he's done with restrictions and going to his friends in another county now for beers tonight. A lot of people agitated now on zoom calls as well throughout the day in work.

    People are fed up and rightfully so.

    There biggest qualm is if they can't control the airports what's the fecking point.

    If the government don't end this 5KM limit soon where people can go to the beach, nature walks, scenic drives etc and just allow people to travel within their own county we are done.

    Looks like you've been 'done' some time tbf ...


  • Advertisement
  • #1687
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    All that stuff you quote is correct. It is incredible that we have so many effective vaccines ready to roll. That wasn't so sure. First mRNA vaccines ever. The data coming out is amazing. Really positive.

    Yeah you're absolutely right.

    I don't think a lot of people realise just now - and absolutely understandably so, given the extent of the suffering and death during this time - quite how massive a leap science has taken in the last year.

    mRNA vaccines aren't just a game-changer for Covid, they're going to change medicine in a way probably as revolutionarily as the development of vaccines themselves.

    In the last three months, humans have moved the vaccine of the future from a theoretical to an actual, and to put the cherry on the cake, are flying a helicopter on Mars. It's been quite the year for science.


  • #1688
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    b0nk1e wrote: »

    However, you have asked me to select a single one of the links and discuss it with you, which I will.

    I will select the one I entitled

    The article is by one Sinéad Crowley, a News Correspondent with RTÉ.
    .

    Ok then here was how you characterised the article in your description:
    The world is a distance away from finding a vaccine, typically taking 10-15 years, with the fastest ever being four years

    The very article you mention states that vaccines are in phase III of their trials and may have results at the end of the year.
    More than 150 Covid-19 vaccines are in development globally, with about a dozen of them in late-stage clinical trials and yesterday, the American infectious disease specialist Dr Anthony Fauci said there could be definitive news on a vaccine by the end of this year.
    "the signs are looking good" that there will be results from the vaccine trials by the end of the year, but it's difficult to say and they need to ensure that the evidence is sufficient to convince the regulators in Europe and the US.
    It can typically take up to ten to 15 years to bring a vaccine to the market.

    The article has clearly told the reader we can optimistic about vaccines in the year but they weren't a guarantee. The statement about 15 years would be more fairly interpreted in my view as a means to outline to the reader the contrast and challenge of vaccine development from a historical perspective. Not an unfair thing to do as they might have failed at phase III. The development of both vaccines is remarkable.

    With that in mind I don't think your description is a fair reflection.
    So this was yours:
    The world is a distance away from finding a vaccine, typically taking 10-15 years, with the fastest ever being four years

    This would be mine
    Experts expect results on vaccines trial by the end of the year.

    I don't see how the writer has mislead her audience in anyway here. Your description of the article and content quoted therein was definitely misleading.


  • #1689
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Hospital report is out

    528 in hospital (down from 585)
    135 in ICU (down from 140, 1 death)

    Nice drop before the weekend.


  • #1690
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital figures at 8pm

    Total 528 (down from 585 last night)
    ICU 135 (down from 140 last night)

    Total of 528 is the lowest daily number so far in 2021.



    Edit: Posted same time as previous poster.


  • #1691
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Good data that single dose of Pfizer has significant reduction on transmission - wonder if more countries will try the U.K. route of spreading dosing out longer than the recommended 21/28 days

    https://www.authorea.com/users/332778/articles/509881-single-dose-bnt162b2-vaccine-protects-against-asymptomatic-sars-cov-2-infection?access_token=-hDTQsMUXcCPSpdZV_Lmpg


  • Advertisement
  • #1692
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »

    I don't see how the writer has mislead her audience in anyway here. Your description of the article and content quoted therein was definitely misleading.

    But I've never said the audience was misled.

    My issue with RTÉ is that at every stage of this, it's been doom and gloom, catastrophism and negativity. From the day they broadcast an interview in February stating that 120,000 people might die in Ireland to the day they released an article 38 days before a 95% efficacy vaccine was approved saying that it might be 10-15 years before a vaccine is rolled out, the earliest such vaccine having taken four years.

    I totally see the point you're making: that they have been cautious and have never actually said anything that is an outright lie.

    But my point is that at every single step along the way, even when good news has happened, RTÉ has spun it in a negative way. (I can't help noting now that both RTÉ One and RTÉ 2 have permanent Government-approved slogans underneath their logos).

    I think RTÉ should have done much better. And I think they must do much better going forward.

    How on earth is Sam McConkey still getting airtime, unchallenged, on RTÉ, for instance?

    Anyway, it was good to have the debate, and it was nice to have a respectful conversation with someone rather than the usual small, sneering minority trying to howl down posters they disagree with.

    Enjoy the rest of your Friday evening and the rest of your weekend.


  • #1693
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »

    The actual rule is quite simply stay at home unless essential .

    The ‘stay at home order’ was ditched by the population many months ago. I’d actually completely forgotten that it was theoretically still in place


  • #1694
    Diabhalta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    Russman wrote: »
    This should be posted on every thread on this forum !!
    You’d think with all the experts we have on here some sane government somewhere would have come to the same conclusions. The very idea that anyone anywhere likes or wants this is simply batsh1t crazy.

    Goverments are only puppets, experts will tell you anything about the virus but none of them will tell you for 100% where it came from. Have you thought, that maybe... just maybe this is some sort of a test, or social experiment? Imagine it wasn't a bat soup and somebody released it on purpose.. that is one of the scenarios that is quite possible. I'm not saying this is what happened but from what I read about it this virus is man made. But I suspect foul play for sure. Goverments are at the bottom of the food chain and know absolutely nothing about it, where it came from, what's the purpose etc.

    Event 201, 19th October 2019..

    https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about

    bill gates said it wasn't him so I am glad he cleared that up for us. For a second I thought he has something to do with it.


  • #1695
    Diabhalta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    Diabhalta wrote: »


    *mod snip - no need for that link here*

    why has my post been altered by second party?

    Is this north korea or ireland? who decides what belongs here?

    that's just absolutely disgusting, shame on you.

    giphy.gif


  • #1696
    Diabhalta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    it's level 5 until may, then maybe level 3-4 until september. No restaurants, no pubs, no cinema.. nothing...

    living with covid, there you go.. enjoy.


  • #1697
    Diabhalta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    spot on George.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo


  • #1698
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    I know this has been posted in the Electric Picnic thread but a little light relief from the UK, Reading & Leeds have announced their line-up for 2021, maybe a bit risky still for August, I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

    READING21_Line-up_3rd-Anno_Approved_Square-900x900.jpg

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #1699
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Diabhalta wrote: »
    spot on George.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo

    People ****ing die from germs. Ever have a kid go to hospital with a serious infection? It would stop you posting ****e like that. Don't let me stop you though.
    It must be a conspiracy.


  • #1700
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I know this has been posted in the Electric Picnic thread but a little light relief from the UK, Reading & Leeds have announced their line-up for 2021, maybe a bit risky still for August, I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

    READING21_Line-up_3rd-Anno_Approved_Square-900x900.jpg

    That just seems different world stuff!


  • #1701
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,465 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Diabhalta wrote: »
    why has my post been altered by second party?

    Is this north korea or ireland? who decides what belongs here?

    that's just absolutely disgusting, shame on you.
    Threadbanned


  • Advertisement
  • #1702
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    That just seems different world stuff!

    Well it's a nice way for promoters etc.. to sell tickets right away to get back into the black even if the dates are exactly confirmed (Boris was supposed to follow data not dates etc...)


  • #1703
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    We're on the way out of this. Stuff like this really illustrates that.

    I'd say health and safety would be through the roof if it went ahead, possibly security enforcing social distancing just to be on the safe side, I reckon they might have to cut the capacity too.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #1704
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    prunudo wrote: »
    As someone who both road cycles and mountain bikes, I can tell you the 5km does not provide a decent radius to go for a cycle.
    The 5km exercise rule is ideal for people who like to go for an evening stroll or a leisurely pedal but after close on 3 out of the last 4 months being confined to 5km, the roads available get very repetitive and certainly not ideal for endurance training.

    No offence but those of us who like to visit gyms can't even get a repetitive workout in :pac:

    I agree the 5km rule is a load of nonsense but not being able to go for a long non repetitive cycle is a first world problem right now.


  • #1705
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Does anyone have any idea why woodies is open to buy home maintenance stuff but sewing shops aren't open?

    I need to mend a pair of trousers, have a hole in the arse of a pair of pants. But it seems trousers aren't essential.


  • #1706
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Does anyone have any idea why woodies is open to buy home maintenance stuff but sewing shops aren't open?

    I need to mend a pair of trousers, have a hole in the arse of a pair of pants. But it seems trousers aren't essential.

    Because a hole in your pants is different than a hole in your roof/toilet/cistern tank? Unless you have plenty of roofs/toilets/water tanks and only one pair of pants?


  • #1707
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Does anyone have any idea why woodies is open to buy home maintenance stuff but sewing shops aren't open?

    I need to mend a pair of trousers, have a hole in the arse of a pair of pants. But it seems trousers aren't essential.

    Buy needles and thread online?


  • #1708
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Stheno wrote: »
    Buy needles and thread online?

    Have needles and thread. But I need a patch.


  • #1709
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,277 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Maybe the macro isn't so great. This is the opposite of the exponential increase we saw in late December early Jan. It's exponential decay. It's not great. Haven't been arse looking at it but macro / micro sounded interesting.

    To me looks like it's reaching a steady state. That's not good. As it looks to be levelling off at a high level just as everyone is pure fed up. For that reason I think Deusexmachina may be right on a macro level.

    545086.png

    That graph is going down week on week .
    In a month we should be seeing cases nearly ready to open up more .
    Hospitalisations slowing as well as admissions to ICU , slowly , but we knew that would be the case.
    I am feeling more optimistic than have been for weeks .
    Only fly in the ointment now is the numbers coming in not being quarantined yet .
    That will be our weak spot before we get enough vaccinated.


  • #1710
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Have needles and thread. But I need a patch.

    Putting patches on trousers is a dying art nowadays


  • Advertisement
  • #1711
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Putting patches on trousers is a dying art nowadays

    The oul sticky ones you could iron on were great back in the day..


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement