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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #1652
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Some people love the misery... They'd miss it if it was gone.

    maybe some radio shows come across a bit negative. People love a good moan. Then there are those that love a good moan about those that moan......so called meta-moaners. Threads on boards are full of those. They've a monopoly on moaning. Usually only on restrictions or mental health, no covid moaning allowed.

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  • #1653
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    Not sure about the person you quoted but I know quite a few people who are finished with the 5km travel restrictions including myself.
    Most people I know never followed the 5k rule. Although in rural areas it is harder to follow and there has been almost no policing of it anyway.


  • #1654
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Maybe the macro isn't so great. This is the opposite of the exponential increase we saw in late December early Jan. It's exponential decay. It's not great. Haven't been arse looking at it but macro / micro sounded interesting.

    To me looks like it's reaching a steady state. That's not good. As it looks to be levelling off at a high level just as everyone is pure fed up. For that reason I think Deusexmachina may be right on a macro level.

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    That’s exponential decay caveat


  • #1655
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Dubit11 wrote: »
    Very worrying increase

    So we now go with a three day average?
    1/10


  • #1656
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,309 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I think CdG along with Glynn, Nolan and Colm Henry are human and very conscious of the messaging. I was seriously impressed a few weeks back when he called up Katie Hannon on RTÉ for demonising people travelling referencing people having livelihoods here.

    I get the sense that deGascun’s big wish is to go to an international rugby match, lunch beforehand and pints after.

    There was a big interview with him - CdG - in The Irish Times a couple of weeks ago. He talked about how much he missed going out and it was hard at times living on your own, which, as it turns out, he does. I got the sense that the guy is gasping for a feed of pints and a night of half-cut shítetalk with strangers.

    Séamus posted a few hours back and got some blowback for what he had to say. Though I think some of that blowback missed the spirit of what he was talking about.

    I don't think the point he was making was that all suffering during the past year has been comparable or equal across the board. Clearly, it hasn't been. Some people are financially secure or mentally coping better etc, etc - many others are worried about their livelihoods, their physical health, their mental health...you name it. The strain and the stress of the last year hasn't been distributed equally.

    But regardless of your circumstance, I think everyone in their right mind would want this all to go away instantly if it could and for normality to return. There's no-one, or at least practically no-one, who honestly prefers living like this - and that goes as well for all the politicans and figures who for many personsify the awfulness of lockdown. Even if they earn God knows how much each year and have a house of God knows how many thousands of square feet, I'm sure if you gave them the ability they'd happily click their fingers and end all of this crap ASAP.


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  • #1657
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    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    retro:electro wrote: »
    RTE really going the whole hog with the misery porn today

    RTÉ's narrative through the course of the pandemic:
    • All will perish
    • 120,000 people will die in Ireland alone
    • It'll be like the Civil War, the Great Depression, and An Gorta Mór in one
    • There will never be a vaccine
    • There might be a vaccine. But it won't be ready for ten years.
    • OK, there's a vaccine, but it probably won't work.
    • OK, the vaccine works, but it won't work on pensioners
    • OK, it works on pensioners, but what if there's a new variant! We're back to square one! All will perish!
    • OK, the vaccine works on the variants. But what if ANOTHER virus comes?

    And that's just Claire Byrne's different ways of saying "good morning".
    spookwoman wrote: »
    Why do people continue to watch rte news when all they do is come on here then and complain

    It's almost like it's the national broadcaster or something, and they watch it to get the important points of information, yet are simultaneously angered by its seamless switch from Claire Byrne in the morning asking Sam McConkey if this is worse than the plague, then George Lee on the Six One asking bemused HSE types if this is worse than the meteor that wiped out the dinosaur, then a seamless segue to Ryan Tubridy on The Covid Covid Show asking a baffled Bryan Cranston if he's absolutely sure Walter White's death definitely can't be put down to Covid, sure he was definitely coughing a bit, sure gwan we'll throw it on the list just in case.
    D.Q wrote: »
    You're having a tantrum due to a micro level problem. On the macro level things are more positive than your reaction would suggest.

    The macro level is this: The Government didn't bother to convene the vaccine group until November. With three vaccines approved for use in Ireland, we haven't even made a dent in the 85+ group.

    Micheál Martin, the worst Taoiseach in the history of the State, is cackling with glee on television as he smashes venerable family businesses, while screeching in anger in the Dáil when he's asked if maybe it mightn't be a good idea to stop herds of Brazilian "students" galloping majestically across the plains of Ireland.


  • #1658
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    RTÉ's narrative through the course of the pandemic:
    • All will perish
    • 120,000 people will die in Ireland alone
    • It'll be like the Civil War, the Great Depression, and An Gorta Mór in one
    • There will never be a vaccine
    • There might be a vaccine. But it won't be ready for ten years.
    • OK, there's a vaccine, but it probably won't work.
    • OK, the vaccine works, but it won't work on pensioners
    • OK, it works on pensioners, but what if there's a new variant! We're back to square one! All will perish!
    • OK, the vaccine works on the variants. But what if ANOTHER virus comes?

    And that's just Claire Byrne's different ways of saying "good morning".

    Does it take you long to make this nonsense up or does it just come naturally in a flow?


  • #1659
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    I just wanted to be sure that I saw Tomas Ryan jogging outside my house today so I decided to send him a tweet. My God the amount of abuse he gets, in the mix was an Irish Times journalist....what is happening to people that they have to be so horrible. He has a point of view, he may be right, who knows.


  • #1660
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Quoting myself from earlier. What gives with this 5km? Why are all other countries not doing it? Or are they?
    I had to get something in not the nearest B&Q yesterday, and while it was probably fine under essential retail, I wondered what the issue was with anyone driving any distance once they don't congregate.
    Go back to first principles. It's not a "stay within 5k" order. It's a "stay at home" order .
    The only exceptions are travel for essential reason (incl essential work), and exercise.

    When exercising, you are limited to 5k. Why? Because otherwise people would travel halfway across the country for the weekend and say they're "exercising". 5km provides a decent radius in which you can go for a walk or a run or a cycle.


  • #1661
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    brookers wrote: »
    I just wanted to be sure that I saw Tomas Ryan jogging outside my house today so I decided to send him a tweet. My God the amount of abuse he gets, in the mix was an Irish Times journalist....what is happening to people that they have to be so horrible. He has a point of view, he may be right, who knows.

    The abuse is because they can’t counter the points he makes with anything intelligent. They want him to be wrong rather than think he is wrong.


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  • #1662
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    RTÉ's narrative through the course of the pandemic:
    • All will perish
    • 120,000 people will die in Ireland alone
    • It'll be like the Civil War, the Great Depression, and An Gorta Mór in one
    • There will never be a vaccine
    • There might be a vaccine. But it won't be ready for ten years.
    • OK, there's a vaccine, but it probably won't work.
    • OK, the vaccine works, but it won't work on pensioners
    • OK, it works on pensioners, but what if there's a new variant! We're back to square one! All will perish!
    • OK, the vaccine works on the variants. But what if ANOTHER virus comes?

    And that's just Claire Byrne's different ways of saying "good morning".



    It's almost like it's the national broadcaster or something, and they watch it to get the important points of information, yet are simultaneously angered by its seamless switch from Claire Byrne in the morning asking Sam McConkey if this is worse than the plague, then George Lee on the Six One asking bemused HSE types if this is worse than the meteor that wiped out the dinosaur, then a seamless segue to Ryan Tubridy on The Covid Covid Show asking a baffled Bryan Cranston if he's absolutely sure Walter White's death definitely can't be put down to Covid, sure he was definitely coughing a bit, sure gwan we'll throw it on the list just in case.



    The macro level is this: The Government didn't bother to convene the vaccine group until November. With three vaccines approved for use in Ireland, we haven't even made a dent in the 85+ group.

    Micheál Martin, the worst Taoiseach in the history of the State, is cackling with glee on television as he smashes venerable family businesses, while screeching in anger in the Dáil when he's asked if maybe it mightn't be a good idea to stop herds of Brazilian "students" galloping majestically across the plains of Ireland.

    Finland going into lockdown, France being pushed that way, Angela Merkel won't take astra Zeneca. Would you rather live in those countries. BTW in Sicily during red zone, only one member of the family could go shopping and that was it. Have you ever encountered the policy there, you certainly wouldn't be getting a friendly hello.......the immaturity from people is staggering.


  • #1663
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Maybe the macro isn't so great. This is the opposite of the exponential increase we saw in late December early Jan. It's exponential decay. It's not great. Haven't been arse looking at it but macro / micro sounded interesting.

    To me looks like it's reaching a steady state. That's not good. As it looks to be levelling off at a high level just as everyone is pure fed up. For that reason I think Deusexmachina may be right on a macro level.

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    Deleted User wrote: »
    That’s exponential decay caveat

    Thanks raind. That's why I said it. What does it mean though in terms of opening up, dealing with it. If it settles at a higher level than before it could be because people aren't following the restrictions as per before or that those levels of restrictions don't work against this British variant. Who knows.


  • #1664
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    It's almost like it's the national broadcaster or something, and they watch it to get the important points of information,.

    There are other places to get that info if you genuinely have a serious problem with RTE's style...


  • #1665
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Does it take you long to make this nonsense up or doesn't just come naturally in a flow?

    120,000 will die in Ireland alone Examiner report of interview broadcast on RTÉ Radio One

    Spanish Flu, Civil War, Great Depression, all rolled into one.
     Irish Daily Mirror report of interview broadcast on RTÉ radio one.

    No vaccine: ever RTÉ.ie news article

    The world is a distance away from finding a vaccine, typically taking 10-15 years, with the fastest ever being four years RTÉ.ie news article, 23 days before Pfizer announced their vaccine was safe, and worked.

    There might be a vaccine, but it won't work RTÉ.ie news article.

    Vaccine doesn't work on pensioners RTÉ.ie news article, in the body of which AstraZeneca denies that the vaccine is ineffective.

    Virus mightn't work on variants RTÉ.ie news article

    An even worse pandemic is coming RTÉ.ie news article.

    I don't expect you to apologise, because that's not who you are, and that's not what you do.

    That post is the last of yours I'll be seeing, though.

    Perhaps you could spend your evening reflecting on the way you speak to other posters.


  • #1666
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    120,000 will die in Ireland alone Examiner report of interview broadcast on RTÉ Radio One

    Spanish Flu, Civil War, Great Depression, all rolled into one.
     Irish Daily Mirror report of interview broadcast on RTÉ radio one.

    No vaccine: ever RTÉ.ie news article

    The world is a distance away from finding a vaccine, typically taking 10-15 years, with the fastest ever being four years RTÉ.ie news article, 23 days before Pfizer announced their vaccine was safe, and worked.

    There might be a vaccine, but it won't work RTÉ.ie news article.

    Vaccine doesn't work on pensioners RTÉ.ie news article, in the body of which AstraZeneca denies that the vaccine is ineffective.

    Virus mightn't work on variants RTÉ.ie news article

    An even worse pandemic is coming RTÉ.ie news article.

    I don't expect you to apologise, because that's not who you are, and that's not what you do.

    That post is the last of yours I'll be seeing, though.

    Perhaps you could spend your evening reflecting on the way you speak to other posters.

    Ah the old gish gallop. You pick one link and description you listed there and explain why it's a valid representation of the content written in the link. Even the headlines inthe article you used are odds with your brief sentence descriptions.

    Your agenda here is not one of honest critique.


  • #1667
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    brookers wrote: »
    Angela Merkel won't take astra Zeneca.

    She quite clearly states that she is not taking the AstraZeneca vaccine because at 66, she is not being offered it as Germany is only using that vaccine for the <65 cohort.

    People really must stop telling untruths about the vaccines and trying to catastrophise the declining pandemic.


  • #1668
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    120,000 will die in Ireland alone Examiner report of interview broadcast on RTÉ Radio One

    Spanish Flu, Civil War, Great Depression, all rolled into one.
     Irish Daily Mirror report of interview broadcast on RTÉ radio one.

    No vaccine: ever RTÉ.ie news article

    The world is a distance away from finding a vaccine, typically taking 10-15 years, with the fastest ever being four years RTÉ.ie news article, 23 days before Pfizer announced their vaccine was safe, and worked.

    There might be a vaccine, but it won't work RTÉ.ie news article.

    Vaccine doesn't work on pensioners RTÉ.ie news article, in the body of which AstraZeneca denies that the vaccine is ineffective.

    Virus mightn't work on variants RTÉ.ie news article

    An even worse pandemic is coming RTÉ.ie news article.

    I don't expect you to apologise, because that's not who you are, and that's not what you do.

    That post is the last of yours I'll be seeing, though.

    Perhaps you could spend your evening reflecting on the way you speak to other posters.

    Fair play on the links. At least you backed up your points. I won't be clicking on them though. Would defeat the purpose of your post as it would be driving traffic and clicks to the Main stream media.I don't doubt they were dower in their outlook but it's a dower situation.


  • #1669
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Ah the old gish gallop. You pick one link and description you listed there and explain why it's a valid representation of the content written in the link. Even the headlines inthe article you used are odds with your brief sentence descriptions.

    Your agenda here is not one of honest critique.

    Which links do you think don't say what I describe them as?

    I'm genuinely surprised that it's a remotely controversial position to take that RTÉ has consistently catastrophised the pandemic.


  • #1670
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    Which links do you think don't say what I describe them as?

    I'm genuinely surprised that it's a remotely controversial position to take that RTÉ has consistently catastrophised the pandemic.

    I have strong criticism with RTE's reporting of this pandemic. You are not being reflecting that position fairly in your post however. That's the bigger issue. Your descriptions of the articles linked and the content actually linked. Your descriptions does not reflect their content.

    I am giving you the opportunity to select the link description you consider most valid as otherwise I would not be giving you a fair opportunity. I could just pick the weakest part of link chain.

    Nobody is going to entertain discussing all the links.


  • #1671
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    seamus wrote: »
    Go back to first principles. It's not a "stay within 5k" order. It's a "stay at home" order .
    The only exceptions are travel for essential reason (incl essential work), and exercise.

    When exercising, you are limited to 5k. Why? Because otherwise people would travel halfway across the country for the weekend and say they're "exercising". 5km provides a decent radius in which you can go for a walk or a run or a cycle.

    So they are the only 2 options 5km or drive across the country. Maybe we could stay inside these borders we call our county's.


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  • #1672
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    It's the 5KM limit that's upsetting people the most


  • #1673
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,411 ✭✭✭brickster69


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    She quite clearly states that she is not taking the AstraZeneca vaccine because at 66, she is not being offered it as Germany is only using that vaccine for the <65 cohort.

    People really must stop telling untruths about the vaccines and trying to catastrophise the declining pandemic.

    A bit of a wasted opportunity there. Something along the lines of -

    "We have a problem on AZ mis-information in Germany at the moment which is false. Currently we have 5 million doses in fridges not being used.

    So as the leader of this nation i am willing to take this vaccine myself, despite being 6 months over the age recommended to encourage our people to take it."

    Within a week they would be queuing up outside the vaccination centres.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #1674
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    120,000 will die in Ireland alone Examiner report of interview broadcast on RTÉ Radio One

    Spanish Flu, Civil War, Great Depression, all rolled into one.
     Irish Daily Mirror report of interview broadcast on RTÉ radio one.

    No vaccine: ever RTÉ.ie news article

    The world is a distance away from finding a vaccine, typically taking 10-15 years, with the fastest ever being four years RTÉ.ie news article, 23 days before Pfizer announced their vaccine was safe, and worked.

    There might be a vaccine, but it won't work RTÉ.ie news article.

    Vaccine doesn't work on pensioners RTÉ.ie news article, in the body of which AstraZeneca denies that the vaccine is ineffective.

    Virus mightn't work on variants RTÉ.ie news article

    An even worse pandemic is coming RTÉ.ie news article.

    I don't expect you to apologise, because that's not who you are, and that's not what you do.

    That post is the last of yours I'll be seeing, though.

    Perhaps you could spend your evening reflecting on the way you speak to other posters.

    Comedy gold. Have you actually read those articles? Let's call a spade a spade. You grossly exaggerate with almost every post. What's the point, as it just makes any reasoned discussion impossible.


  • #1675
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Arghus wrote: »
    There was a big interview with him - CdG - in The Irish Times a couple of weeks ago. He talked about how much he missed going out and it was hard at times living on your own, which, as it turns out, he does. I got the sense that the guy is gasping for a feed of pints and a night of half-cut shítetalk with strangers.

    Séamus posted a few hours back and got some blowback for what he had to say. Though I think some of that blowback missed the spirit of what he was talking about.

    I don't think the point he was making was that all suffering during the past year has been comparable or equal across the board. Clearly, it hasn't been. Some people are financially secure or mentally coping better etc, etc - many others are worried about their livelihoods, their physical health, their mental health...you name it. The strain and the stress of the last year hasn't been distributed equally.

    But regardless of your circumstance, I think everyone in their right mind would want this all to go away instantly if it could and for normality to return. There's no-one, or at least practically no-one, who honestly prefers living like this - and that goes as well for all the politicans and figures who for many personsify the awfulness of lockdown. Even if they earn God knows how much each year and have a house of God knows how many thousands of square feet, I'm sure if you gave them the ability they'd happily click their fingers and end all of this crap ASAP.

    Nobody missed the spirit of what he was talking about. He made a clumsy and condescending point. He deserved his blowback. And this came only a day after he said some people were getting in a tiz about it all. There's an awful air of "better than you" off him. He pizzed people off and they let him know. But there's a lot of that going around these days, isn't there Arghus?

    Nada mas.


  • #1676
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Quoting myself from earlier. What gives with this 5km? Why are all other countries not doing it? Or are they?
    I had to get something in not the nearest B&Q yesterday, and while it was probably fine under essential retail, I wondered what the issue was with anyone driving any distance once they don't congregate.
    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    we explained this to you yesterday do you ever look at the fcukin posts

    Well aren't you the charmer. I'll keep a note to remind myself that everything you say is absolutely the final position of everyone on the matter.

    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    The 5km fiasco is tied to legislation preventing landlords evicting tenants nothing at all to do with health issues complete farce by an incompetent government
    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    here la

    Thanks for reposting your advice from yesterday. I saw that another poster explained to you that you were incorrect and that the 5k rule was brought in under health legislation, with the eviction stuff being separately aligned.

    Regardless, I was talking about the 5km in relation to the rationale, or not, of the health considerations that led to it. And whether any other countries were doing it, and the rationale there.

    But dun!t wurry bout et. Is al fcukin sh!te.


  • #1677
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I have strong criticism with RTE's reporting of this pandemic. You are not being reflecting that position fairly in your post however. That's the bigger issue. Your descriptions of the articles linked and the content actually linked. Your descriptions does not reflect their content.

    I am giving you the opportunity to select the link description you consider most valid as otherwise I would not be giving you a fair opportunity. I could just pick the weakest part of link chain.

    Nobody is going to entertain discussing all the links.

    I suspect some bright young thing who's at college somewhere is currently doing a project on RTÉ's output during this crisis, and the extent to which extreme voices like Sam McConkey, Anthony Staines, etc., appear to have captured the attention of producers and presenters, to the extent that they have become household names with, apparently, at-will access to the airwaves.

    I am afraid I am neither bright nor young, and I would take further objection to being referred to as a thing.

    (As I write this, I wonder what became of Jack Lambert: he seemed to vanish from the airwaves, having been a semi-permanent fixture, once he supported reopening).

    However, you have asked me to select a single one of the links and discuss it with you, which I will.

    I will select the one I entitled
    The world is a distance away from finding a vaccine, typically taking 10-15 years, with the fastest ever being four years RTÉ.ie news article, 23 days before Pfizer announced their vaccine was safe, and worked.

    The article is by one Sinéad Crowley, a News Correspondent with RTÉ.

    It is 332 words long, the first half of which is a rundown of the bald facts contained in the survey "The age group most likely to take the vaccine are the 65+", and so on. Let's not bother with that bit, which is all facts. I now reproduce the rest of the article, in its entirety.

    The article then goes on to say:
    More than 150 Covid-19 vaccines are in development globally, with about a dozen of them in late-stage clinical trials and yesterday, the American infectious disease specialist Dr Anthony Fauci said there could be definitive news on a vaccine by the end of this year.

    Shall we agree that this is a neutral paragraph? I might be tempted to argue that "could be definitive news on a vaccine by the end of this year" is tending to the negative, but let's agree it's neutral.
    Oliver O'Connor, chief executive of the IPHA said the priority for the industry is finding a vaccine that is safe and that works.

    This paragraph looks like bald statement of fact. But why print it? What does it add? There were hardly a mass of people around the country thinking that the HPRA are charging around the place trying to find an unsafe vaccine that doesn't work, surely?

    I suggest the insertion of this paragraph was designed to get people questioning whether any vaccine would be safe, or work, which I have characterised in my original post as "OK, there's a vaccine, but it probably won't work."
    However, she cautioned that the world is still "some distance" from an approve vaccine for Covid-19.

    As I said, this was just 23 days before Pfizer announced their vaccine was safe, and worked. Thirty-eight days after the article was published, the vaccine had received approval from the UK's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency.
    "We are still some way off approval for - and global rollout of - an effective vaccine for Covid-19," she said.

    As I mention above, 38 days after the article was published, a major western country had approved a vaccine. I cannot find a date for when the first Israeli received the vaccine, but the first person in the United Kingdom received the vaccine on the 8th of December.

    Forty-four days from when RTÉ published the article stating "we are still some way off approval for - and global rollout of an effective vaccine for Covid-19", the UK - at least, and possibly Israel - were actively vaccinating their populations with a 95% efficacy vaccine.
    "Although all of us want to see the back of the pandemic, it is not about how fast we can get a vaccine. What matters is that it is safe and that it works."

    This is true. But it again, for no apparent reason, raises questions about safety and efficacy.
    It can typically take up to ten to 15 years to bring a vaccine to the market.

    I have characterised this as "there might be a vaccine, but it'll take ten years!". I don't think that a ludicrous mischaracterisation of the above paragraph, particularly in conjunction with the following, and concluding paragraph:
    The fastest-ever - the vaccine for mumps - needed four years in the 1960s.

    Forty-four days after this was printed, the global mass rollout of a safe and 95% efficacy vaccine in the West, swiftly followed by a half dozen other vaccines, began.

    I can't say for sure when the first mentions of "vaccine-resistant variants" - none, yet, of which have been found - occurred on RTÉ's television channels, radio stations, or website.

    But I do not think I would find myself a substantially poorer man were I to bet on it being between 38 and 44 days after that article was published by our State broadcaster.


  • #1678
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    brickster69 wrote: »
    A bit of a wasted opportunity there. Something along the lines of -

    "We have a problem on AZ mis-information in Germany at the moment which is false. Currently we have 5 million doses in fridges not being used.

    So as the leader of this nation i am willing to take this vaccine myself, despite being 6 months over the age recommended to encourage our people to take it."

    Within a week they would be queuing up outside the vaccination centres.

    Well in that case, let's just hope that when she retires, there's no hesitancy amongst schoolgirls to take the HPV vaccine, otherwise who knows what poor old Herr Merz is going to have to do.


  • #1679
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    It's the 5KM limit that's upsetting people the most

    It wasn't upsetting the 10 15yr olds drinking cans on the bus into town there 20 minutes ago!


  • #1680
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    It's the 5KM limit that's upsetting people the most

    It’s an incredibly poorly communicated rule tbh.

    The actual rule is quite simply stay at home unless essential - work/groceries/certain retail, etc, in which case you can travel as far as is reasonable. (If you go 200km to a Lidl, not reasonable, but 50km to maybe a specific hardware store is)

    Then you need to let people exercise, so they put a limit on that because anyone could travel anywhere and just say they’re exercising.

    But unfortunately it has been misinterpreted and has become “my 5km” in both directions - people thinking “I can do whatever I want, it’s within 5km”, and the other side of the coin “my elderly parent living alone is struggling, but they’re >5km away”.

    Both incorrect interpretations, all down to communicating it, so probably causing a lot of stress for a lot of people more than other restrictions.


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  • #1681
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    It’s an incredibly poorly communicated rule tbh.

    The actual rule is quite simply stay at home unless essential - work/groceries/certain retail, etc, in which case you can travel as far as is reasonable. (If you go 200km to a Lidl, not reasonable, but 50km to maybe a specific hardware store is)

    Then you need to let people exercise, so they put a limit on that because anyone could travel anywhere and just say they’re exercising.

    But unfortunately it has been misinterpreted and has become “my 5km” in both directions - people thinking “I can do whatever I want, it’s within 5km”, and the other side of the coin “my elderly parent living alone is struggling, but they’re >5km away”.

    Both incorrect interpretations, all down to communicating it, so probably causing a lot of stress for a lot of people more than other restrictions.
    Most miscommunications are on websites like this and on social media. Most of these are caused purposefully by people trying to muddy the water about the restrictions as a whole.

    We've had almost a year of these lies on these threads by the same people.


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