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pixelburp · 26-02-2021 09:20AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ide love if it never happened. I hate her character, the MU and any non DS9 S31. The idea of constantly dragging up this secret organisation will make them not so secret and ruin the concept like Voyager did with the Borg

At this stage, it seems clear enough it won't; Kurtzmann speaking in euphemisms that amount to "yeah, it's cancelled". As ilovesmybrick notes, it's a pity we wasted 2 episodes of Discovery to Backdoor Pilot a show that'll never happen, but at least now she's gone, and Section 31 ain't returning either. Well, baring a return in Discovery S4 in a future form.

breezy1985 · 26-02-2021 09:29AM

pixelburp wrote: »

At this stage, it seems clear enough it won't; Kurtzmann speaking in euphemisms that amount to "yeah, it's cancelled". As ilovesmybrick notes, it's a pity we wasted 2 episodes of Discovery to Backdoor Pilot a show that'll never happen, but at least now she's gone, and Section 31 ain't returning either. Well, baring a return in Discovery S4 in a future form.

I wont get my hopes up just yet. People who dont like Discovery are constantly making up stories about its cancellation but Kurtzmanns comments are a good sign

Rawr · 26-02-2021 11:59AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Seen on Twitter... Was Cheers a Holodeck program?
https://twitter.com/CalebHowe/status/1252032537125322753/photo/1

I think Paramount Television was also involved with Cheers, which might also explain why there's a lot of shared cast. Feels like they missed a trick with silly Irish villages on Voyager's holodeck, when they could have gone to a bar where everyone knows your name....because it's tied into the crew manifest

Well...we did get Morn, who was essentially Norm.

Goodshape · 26-02-2021 12:46PM

Started a Voyager re-watch, from season 4 (or the season 3 final anyway). About half way through the season now.

Really enjoying it

Truth be told there's a lot (maybe most) of this which I've never really seen since it was first on air, and back then I wasn't much of a fan at all. But it's good stuff. I never really appreciated before just how comparatively small Voyager is, compared to Ent-D or even lot of other ships of the era. It used to annoy me that they wouldn't take things as seriously as they did on the big -D in TNG, or on DS9 --- but of course not. They're a tiny little close-nit group in comparison to those cities in space.

The crew -- and the ship itself -- feels much more personal and I'm enjoying that. Almost a lower-decks quality to the whole setup.

Also, Janeway is terrific.

Also I think with the hindsight of what Star Trek has done since, I'm pretty much over "what they did to the Borg

" and Seven is a great character, boob-suit not withstanding.

And Harry Kim -- LOL. Everything about that guy is useless. The character, the acting, the dialogue. It's amusing. There was a small scene in Scorpion (S04E01) where Chakotay and Janeway were discussing something on the bridge, in-frame and in-focus. Suddenly some voice chimes in with a different opinion. It's Harry Kim, in the background, totally out of focus while he says his lines for a couple seconds. Camera doesn't even bother to focus on him. Janeway and Chakotay don't look at him. Janeway just says "nah" and that's it. Poor Harry

There's still an awkward 1990's Melrose Place / 90210 clean-sheen to the look and feel of the show, and the acting and sets are just cheap at times, but it's good binge-streaming TV. Nice to be finally giving myself some time to enjoy it.

Stark · 26-02-2021 12:57PM

Goodshape wrote:

and the acting and sets are just cheap at times

Are you talking the sets used for Voyager itself or the per-episode sets? I really liked the Voyager sets, especially the bridge and Captain's ready room.

Goodshape · 26-02-2021 01:08PM

Stark wrote: »

Are you talking the sets used for Voyager itself or the per-episode sets? I really liked the Voyager sets, especially the bridge and Captain's ready room.

All of it to be honest. I mean the main sets aren't too bad but for some reason it all looks a good deal cheaper than it did 10 years before on TNG.

But that might be a sum of the pieces thing. The lighting is bad, and the actors are obviously a lot less invested in it than they were in TNG or DS9. Picking up props and tapping on consoles without any thought to supposed weight or function of the obviously plastic device.

It's not a problem though. Tbh on this watch through I'm finding it more amusing than anything else.

Rawr · 26-02-2021 02:25PM

Goodshape wrote: »

All of it to be honest. I mean the main sets aren't too bad but for some reason it all looks a good deal cheaper than it did 10 years before on TNG.

But that might be a sum of the pieces thing. The lighting is bad, and the actors are obviously a lot less invested in it than they were in TNG or DS9. Picking up props and tapping on consoles without any thought to supposed weight or function of the obviously plastic device.

It's not a problem though. Tbh on this watch through I'm finding it more amusing than anything else.

I do wonder if the Voyager sets were generally designed to be a bit more cost effective. The flat corridor walls must have made it easier for them to re-dress the Voyager corridors to appear as other ships or alien buildings. The Enterprise D or DS9 sets would not have been as easy to convert for non-ship scenes.

The believe the Voyager bridge was however was a lot more ambitious, and was the largest Bridge-set they had built up until that point.

Evade · 26-02-2021 03:39PM

Rawr wrote: »

I do wonder if the Voyager sets were generally designed to be a bit more cost effective.

The TNG sets were arguably the most cost effective since a lot of them were free as far as TNG's construction budget was concerned.

AMKC · 26-02-2021 05:27PM

Evade wrote: »

The TNG sets were arguably the most cost effective since a lot of them were free as far as TNG's construction budget was concerned.

The Battle bridge was built already for the Enterprise-A and the movies. What else was free?

Evade · 26-02-2021 06:13PM

AMKC wrote: »

The Battle bridge was built already for the Enterprise-A and the movies. What else was free?

The corridors and the transporter room.

EDIT: The engineering set was reused too.

TheValeyard · 26-02-2021 06:56PM

AMKC wrote: »

The Battle bridge was built already for the Enterprise-A and the movies. What else was free?

Didnt they use most of the TNG sets for various scenes in Star Trek VI,

Sure even ten forward was the Presidents office.

Stark · 26-02-2021 06:59PM

pah wrote: »

Big birthday for me today. My sister just dropped this over.

Best sister ever!

TheValeyard · 26-02-2021 07:08PM

pah wrote: »

Big birthday for me today. My sister just dropped this over.

I think we can safely say no cake remains now

Inviere · 26-02-2021 09:28PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

I think we can safely say no cake remains now

Was it a cellular peptide cake?

Evade · 26-02-2021 09:52PM

While I was reading a bit more about the sets I found out the Voyager corridors are the TMP/TNG corridors. They really got their money's worth out of that set. If you look closely at the bottom of the walls of the Voyager corridor you can see the light panels are leaning back like the ones in the TMP/TNG corridors.

breezy1985 · 26-02-2021 10:18PM

Inviere wrote: »

Was it a cellular peptide cake?

Well done sir

nyarlothothep · 27-02-2021 02:27PM

Something I noticed about DS9 is when Jake who is 17/18 in season 3 is allowed to sip a bit of champagne but just one sip and no more before Sisko snatches it away. I always found that excessive and reflective of American anxieties about alcohol.

Evade · 27-02-2021 04:13PM

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Something I noticed about DS9 is when Jake who is 17/18 in season 3 is allowed to sip a bit of champagne but just one sip and no more before Sisko snatches it away. I always found that excessive and reflective of American anxieties about alcohol.

He would only have been 15 or 16 depending on the month but the point still stands, especially considering it was probably synthahol which has milder effects.

breezy1985 · 27-02-2021 06:13PM

Evade wrote: »

He would only have been 15 or 16 depending on the month but the point still stands, especially considering it was probably synthahol which has milder effects.

Synthahol was non alcoholic

TheValeyard · 27-02-2021 06:23PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Synthahol was non alcoholic

Maybe Sisko was saving him from something that would taste like sh1te

Evade · 27-02-2021 06:31PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Synthahol was non alcoholic

Technically since it's not alcohol yes, but it still has some intoxicating effects.

breezy1985 · 27-02-2021 06:41PM

Evade wrote: »

Technically since it's not alcohol yes, but it still has some intoxicating effects.

Fair enough. I thought it was just a space word for 0% alcohol

Evade · 27-02-2021 06:50PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Fair enough. I thought it was just a space word for 0% alcohol

It's more along the lines of alcohol that never lets you get more than 2-3 drinks in drunk and lets you sober up instantly.

pixelburp · 27-02-2021 06:52PM

What's the percentage proof on Romulan ale then?

Evade · 27-02-2021 07:49PM

pixelburp wrote: »

What's the percentage proof on Romulan ale then?

Percentage and proof are two different measurements but either way a lot.

a_squirrelman · 27-02-2021 08:08PM

Romulan Ale will blow the head off ya.

nyarlothothep · 28-02-2021 02:06PM

pixelburp wrote: »

What's the percentage proof on Romulan ale then?

You can actually buy it. Apparently it's sh1t though

https://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/Beer/Beer-Ratings.asp?BeerID=3372

https://www.ebay.com/c/1907828493

pixelburp · 28-02-2021 04:18PM

Apparently there used to be a Star Trek Experience in Las Vegas I think, with costumed staff and a bar you could order "authentic" Trek drinks. Friend of mine went with his Trek obsessed sister, I believe it closed a few years back though

breezy1985 · 28-02-2021 06:33PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Apparently there used to be a Star Trek Experience in Las Vegas I think, with costumed staff and a bar you could order "authentic" Trek drinks. Friend of mine went with his Trek obsessed sister, I believe it closed a few years back though

Please tell me it had goatee stickers on the bathroom mirrors

Rawr · 28-02-2021 08:20PM

Evade wrote: »

He would only have been 15 or 16 depending on the month but the point still stands, especially considering it was probably synthahol which has milder effects.

There's a good chance that was real Champagne. Quark tended to cater for most of the functions/parties on DS9 and his main side-hustle was shipping booze. He probably stocked plenty of Earth-booze to cater to Starfleet, much in the same way he'd stock Kanarr for the Cardasians.

Also, I think syntahol was mostly a policy restriction on Starfleet / Federation replicators. My guess is that most other powers didn't bother restricting booze. The Klingons certainly didn't :P

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