General Star Trek thread

pixelburp wrote: »

What's the percentage proof on Romulan ale then?

Percentage and proof are two different measurements but either way a lot.

What's the percentage proof on Romulan ale then?

breezy1985 wrote: »

Fair enough. I thought it was just a space word for 0% alcohol

It's more along the lines of alcohol that never lets you get more than 2-3 drinks in drunk and lets you sober up instantly.

Evade wrote: »

Technically since it's not alcohol yes, but it still has some intoxicating effects.

Fair enough. I thought it was just a space word for 0% alcohol

breezy1985 wrote: »

Synthahol was non alcoholic

Technically since it's not alcohol yes, but it still has some intoxicating effects.

TheValeyard

breezy1985 wrote: »

Synthahol was non alcoholic

Maybe Sisko was saving him from something that would taste like sh1te

Evade wrote: »

He would only have been 15 or 16 depending on the month but the point still stands, especially considering it was probably synthahol which has milder effects.

Synthahol was non alcoholic

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Something I noticed about DS9 is when Jake who is 17/18 in season 3 is allowed to sip a bit of champagne but just one sip and no more before Sisko snatches it away. I always found that excessive and reflective of American anxieties about alcohol.

He would only have been 15 or 16 depending on the month but the point still stands, especially considering it was probably synthahol which has milder effects.

nyarlothothep

Something I noticed about DS9 is when Jake who is 17/18 in season 3 is allowed to sip a bit of champagne but just one sip and no more before Sisko snatches it away. I always found that excessive and reflective of American anxieties about alcohol.

Inviere wrote: »

Was it a cellular peptide cake?

Well done sir

While I was reading a bit more about the sets I found out the Voyager corridors are the TMP/TNG corridors. They really got their money's worth out of that set. If you look closely at the bottom of the walls of the Voyager corridor you can see the light panels are leaning back like the ones in the TMP/TNG corridors.

Inviere

TheValeyard wrote: »

I think we can safely say no cake remains now

Was it a cellular peptide cake?

TheValeyard

pah wrote: »

Big birthday for me today. My sister just dropped this over.

I think we can safely say no cake remains now

Stark

pah wrote: »

Big birthday for me today. My sister just dropped this over.

Best sister ever!

TheValeyard

AMKC wrote: »

The Battle bridge was built already for the Enterprise-A and the movies. What else was free?

Didnt they use most of the TNG sets for various scenes in Star Trek VI,

Sure even ten forward was the Presidents office.

AMKC wrote: »

The Battle bridge was built already for the Enterprise-A and the movies. What else was free?

The corridors and the transporter room.

EDIT: The engineering set was reused too.

AMKC

Evade wrote: »

The TNG sets were arguably the most cost effective since a lot of them were free as far as TNG's construction budget was concerned.

The Battle bridge was built already for the Enterprise-A and the movies. What else was free?

Rawr wrote: »

I do wonder if the Voyager sets were generally designed to be a bit more cost effective.

The TNG sets were arguably the most cost effective since a lot of them were free as far as TNG's construction budget was concerned.

Rawr

Goodshape wrote: »

All of it to be honest. I mean the main sets aren't too bad but for some reason it all looks a good deal cheaper than it did 10 years before on TNG.

But that might be a sum of the pieces thing. The lighting is bad, and the actors are obviously a lot less invested in it than they were in TNG or DS9. Picking up props and tapping on consoles without any thought to supposed weight or function of the obviously plastic device.

It's not a problem though. Tbh on this watch through I'm finding it more amusing than anything else.

I do wonder if the Voyager sets were generally designed to be a bit more cost effective. The flat corridor walls must have made it easier for them to re-dress the Voyager corridors to appear as other ships or alien buildings. The Enterprise D or DS9 sets would not have been as easy to convert for non-ship scenes.

The believe the Voyager bridge was however was a lot more ambitious, and was the largest Bridge-set they had built up until that point.

Goodshape

Stark wrote: »

Are you talking the sets used for Voyager itself or the per-episode sets? I really liked the Voyager sets, especially the bridge and Captain's ready room.

All of it to be honest. I mean the main sets aren't too bad but for some reason it all looks a good deal cheaper than it did 10 years before on TNG.

But that might be a sum of the pieces thing. The lighting is bad, and the actors are obviously a lot less invested in it than they were in TNG or DS9. Picking up props and tapping on consoles without any thought to supposed weight or function of the obviously plastic device.

It's not a problem though. Tbh on this watch through I'm finding it more amusing than anything else.

Stark

Goodshape wrote:

and the acting and sets are just cheap at times

Are you talking the sets used for Voyager itself or the per-episode sets? I really liked the Voyager sets, especially the bridge and Captain's ready room.

Goodshape

Started a Voyager re-watch, from season 4 (or the season 3 final anyway). About half way through the season now.

Really enjoying it

Truth be told there's a lot (maybe most) of this which I've never really seen since it was first on air, and back then I wasn't much of a fan at all. But it's good stuff. I never really appreciated before just how comparatively small Voyager is, compared to Ent-D or even lot of other ships of the era. It used to annoy me that they wouldn't take things as seriously as they did on the big -D in TNG, or on DS9 --- but of course not. They're a tiny little close-nit group in comparison to those cities in space.

The crew -- and the ship itself -- feels much more personal and I'm enjoying that. Almost a lower-decks quality to the whole setup.

Also, Janeway is terrific.

Also I think with the hindsight of what Star Trek has done since, I'm pretty much over "what they did to the Borg

" and Seven is a great character, boob-suit not withstanding.

And Harry Kim -- LOL. Everything about that guy is useless. The character, the acting, the dialogue. It's amusing. There was a small scene in Scorpion (S04E01) where Chakotay and Janeway were discussing something on the bridge, in-frame and in-focus. Suddenly some voice chimes in with a different opinion. It's Harry Kim, in the background, totally out of focus while he says his lines for a couple seconds. Camera doesn't even bother to focus on him. Janeway and Chakotay don't look at him. Janeway just says "nah" and that's it. Poor Harry

There's still an awkward 1990's Melrose Place / 90210 clean-sheen to the look and feel of the show, and the acting and sets are just cheap at times, but it's good binge-streaming TV. Nice to be finally giving myself some time to enjoy it.

Rawr

odyssey06 wrote: »

Seen on Twitter... Was Cheers a Holodeck program?
https://twitter.com/CalebHowe/status/1252032537125322753/photo/1

I think Paramount Television was also involved with Cheers, which might also explain why there's a lot of shared cast. Feels like they missed a trick with silly Irish villages on Voyager's holodeck, when they could have gone to a bar where everyone knows your name....because it's tied into the crew manifest

Well...we did get Morn, who was essentially Norm.

pixelburp wrote: »

At this stage, it seems clear enough it won't; Kurtzmann speaking in euphemisms that amount to "yeah, it's cancelled". As ilovesmybrick notes, it's a pity we wasted 2 episodes of Discovery to Backdoor Pilot a show that'll never happen, but at least now she's gone, and Section 31 ain't returning either. Well, baring a return in Discovery S4 in a future form.

I wont get my hopes up just yet. People who dont like Discovery are constantly making up stories about its cancellation but Kurtzmanns comments are a good sign

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ide love if it never happened. I hate her character, the MU and any non DS9 S31. The idea of constantly dragging up this secret organisation will make them not so secret and ruin the concept like Voyager did with the Borg

At this stage, it seems clear enough it won't; Kurtzmann speaking in euphemisms that amount to "yeah, it's cancelled". As ilovesmybrick notes, it's a pity we wasted 2 episodes of Discovery to Backdoor Pilot a show that'll never happen, but at least now she's gone, and Section 31 ain't returning either. Well, baring a return in Discovery S4 in a future form.

odyssey06

Seen on Twitter... Was Cheers a Holodeck program?
https://twitter.com/CalebHowe/status/1252032537125322753/photo/1

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ilovesmybrick

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ide love if it never happened. I hate her character, the MU and any non DS9 S31. The idea of constantly dragging up this secret organisation will make them not so secret and ruin the concept like Voyager did with the Borg

What makes that news quite irritating is the two episodes they wasted in Discovery season 3 to set up this series. I don't think an extra two episodes would have helped with the many, many issues I had with season 3, but they could have used them to further develop the plot/characters/ships etc.

pixelburp wrote: »

BTW, something that's a bit lost among the chatter about Star Trek: Prodigy, is that as I suspected, the Section 31 show is floating around in purgatory.

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/star-trek-universe-paramount-plus-prodigy-1234914526/

Specifically, the below aside is the good/bad news, depending on your thoughts on the show. "Conversations" feels like heavy code for "Not remotely near greenlit". Me? I'm delighted to hear this because of all the problems with nu-Trek, it doesn't need more Space Hitler muddying up the universe's image.

Ide love if it never happened. I hate her character, the MU and any non DS9 S31. The idea of constantly dragging up this secret organisation will make them not so secret and ruin the concept like Voyager did with the Borg

BTW, something that's a bit lost among the chatter about Star Trek: Prodigy, is that as I suspected, the Section 31 show is floating around in purgatory.

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/star-trek-universe-paramount-plus-prodigy-1234914526/

Specifically, the below aside is the good/bad news, depending on your thoughts on the show. "Conversations" feels like heavy code for "Not remotely near greenlit". Me? I'm delighted to hear this because of all the problems with nu-Trek, it doesn't need more Space Hitler muddying up the universe's image.

Kurtzman and McNamara say there are still “conversations” about a new “Star Trek” series around Michelle Yeoh’s Philippa Georgiou and the mysterious Section 31, and there are other “Trek” shows in development that haven’t been previously announced. But they emphasized that the current five-series slate will likely not expand further until at least one of the shows runs its course.