Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

Beechwoodspark · 26-02-2021 11:32am #1

I hardly ever start threads on boards but this morning I saw the following story on the RTÉ app

Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0226/1199464-direct-provision/

This new system to accommodate asylum seekers has been announced today

Looks very ambitious and VERY generous

This is in the context of our neighbour GB going its own way regarding immigration and if anything bringing in stricter immigration laws.

It seems we in Ireland - now the main English speaking country in the EU - are going the other direction and becoming even more open and more generous to asylum seekers?

Along with being eligible to obtain employment after 6 months and a number of other entitlements the main thing that stood out to me was the following

“The plan says after their first four months in Ireland, people whose protection claims are still being processed will move to accommodation in the community.”

“It says this will be own-door or own-room accommodation, for which they will pay a means-tested rent.”

“All accommodation will be own-door, self-contained houses or apartments for families to provide privacy, agency and independence.”

Single people will be housed in either own-door or own-room accommodation.”

Wow, very generous indeed.

The NGOs and lobbyists in the “migrant sector” must love all this?!

Minister Roderick o Gorman and this Govt must be their new best buddies.

I have a few questions...

How much will it all cost?

To me it looks extremely expensive?

Where will these “own door” houses be?

Are they built as yet?

The plan says that if Mickey or Johnny arrives in and claims asylum, after a mere 4 months he can get his “own door” accom....

So Will the asylum seekers be jumped to the front of queue when it comes to public housing?

Will similar schemes be provided for low income people living in less than ideal circumstances often in their parents home but who would love “own door” accommodation to call their own?

What about the homeless - “own door” housing for them too?

Big pull factor for ppl to claim asylum here in Ireland rather than far less generous systems in the EU?

Will public money and resources be diverted to fund all this?

Anyone know??

Jinglejangle69 · 26-02-2021 11:37am

What a joke

Talk about opening the floodgates.

Patrick2010 · 26-02-2021 11:40am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0226/1199464-direct-provision/

This new system to accommodate asylum seekers has been announced today

Looks very ambitious and VERY generous

Along with being eligible to obtain employment after 6 months and a number of other entitlements the main thing that stood out to me was the following

“The plan says after their first four months in Ireland, people whose protection claims are still being processed will move to accommodation in the community.”

“It says this will be own-door or own-room accommodation, for which they will pay a means-tested rent.”

“All accommodation will be own-door, self-contained houses or apartments for families to provide privacy, agency and independence.”

Single people will be housed in either own-door or own-room accommodation.”

Wow, very generous indeed.

The NGOs and lobbyists in the “migrant sector” must love all this?!

Minister Roderick o Gorman and this Govt must be their new best buddies.

I have a few questions...

How much will it all cost? To me it looks extremely expensive? You bet!

Where will these “own door” houses be? Working class areas

So, Will the asylum seekers be jumped to the front of queue when it comes to public housing? Of course, scheme can't work otherwise

Will similar schemes be provided for low income people living in less than ideal circumstances often in the family home but who would love “own door” accommodation to call their own? Of course not

What about the homeless - “own door” housing for them too? Not a trendy enough cause

Anyone know??

See above

Montage of Feck · 26-02-2021 11:45am

Without a faster, more stringent asylum process being implemented in conjunction with this it will be a disaster for taxpayers.

Beechwoodspark · 26-02-2021 11:48am

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Without bringing in a faster, more stringent asylum process being implemented in conjunction with this it will be a disaster for taxpayers.

That was my first reaction.

And also it potentially could cause huge anger and resentment if asylum seekers are “bumped up” the list for housing - that logically means other ppl will be pushed back down the list?

Recipe for disaster

kildare lad · 26-02-2021 11:52am

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Without bringing in a faster, more stringent asylum process being implemented in conjunction with this it will be a disaster for taxpayers.

Since when did NGOs give a crap about the hard working taxpayer. Its gone beyond a joke now. If you were Irish , you'd be better of going to africa and get a Nigerian passport . Then come back to Ireland and get yourself an apartment in four months . Let's open the floodgates to every sponger on the planet

Doctor Roast · 26-02-2021 11:53am

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Without bringing in a faster, more stringent asylum process being implemented in conjunction with this it will be a disaster for taxpayers.

I'm seriously debating whether I'll go into work in the morning... Or ever again

Dubit11 · 26-02-2021 11:55am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What a joke

Talk about opening the floodgates.

It's FG stated policy to increase the population of the island by something like a million by 2040. They ain't doing that without opening the floodgates tbh.

Of course it's all engineers and doctors so it's all good or something...

26-02-2021 11:56am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

...........

The plan says that if Mickey or Johnny arrives in and claims asylum, after a mere 4 months he can get his “own door” accom....

So Will the asylum seekers be jumped to the front of queue when it comes to public housing?.........

Given that genuine cases are on the housing lists for years if not decades than I imagine the asylum folk are indeed being out to the front of the queue, likely won't be in the queue at all actually.

Jinglejangle69 · 26-02-2021 11:58am

Dubit11 wrote: »

It's FG stated policy to increase the population of the island by something like a million by 2040. They ain't doing that without opening the floodgates tbh.

Of course it's all engineers and doctors so it's all good or something...

No its not.

This lie las been debunked many times.

irishproduce · 26-02-2021 11:59am

If I was a local independent TD in areas where disadvantage is evident and housing lists are huge, I'd be campaigning my constituents against this and pointing the finger at saintly Roderic and the greens. This is almost a sure bet to keep your seat when the inevitable election rolls around soon.

bloopy · 26-02-2021 11:59am

Looks like we'll be getting our very own Donald Trump coming along in a few years.
Along with higher rents and house prices as local councils scramble to find accommodation.

kildare lad · 26-02-2021 12:04pm

It'd be great if we had politicians who actually cared about the hard working people of Ireland instead of blow-ins

26-02-2021 12:07pm

I'd sooner see a genuine asylum seeker housed over some waster who has no intention of ever working tbh who uses the excuse of disadvantage........ ie all the wasters in Dublin Inner City a stones throw from IFSC etc who's grandad became unemployed when cranes replaced dockers and no descendants worked ever since.

SEPT 23 1989 · 26-02-2021 12:08pm

of course the parties of the left will welcome this ,the same left that is meant to represent the working class who will be most damaged by this

working class need to wake up and see what's happening to them

26-02-2021 12:10pm

irishproduce wrote: »

If I was a local independent TD in areas where disadvantage is evident and housing lists are huge, I'd be campaigning my constituents against this and pointing the finger at saintly Roderic and the greens. This is almost a sure bet to keep your seat when the inevitable election rolls around soon.

Independent politicians, either TDs or councillors are the only ones who will oppose this. It's interesting how the likes of Fine Gael, Fianna Fail, Sinn Fein etc. seem to have almost unanimous support for all these policies. Perhaps they are more "moral" than people who aren't connected to their political parties, hmmmm

Atlantic Dawn · 26-02-2021 12:11pm

The UK will now be like France where migrants only pass through a perfectly safe country so they can get better here.

RandRuns · 26-02-2021 12:12pm

Wonder what Pavee Point will make of this - there won't be any traveller accomodation coming along any time soon once this policy is in place.

26-02-2021 12:13pm

A long overdue overhaul.

I'll wait to see how it functions before commenting further. Government tends to announce great and lofty plans but the execution is dire.

But, on the surface, it's great news.

RandRuns · 26-02-2021 12:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

A long overdue overhaul.

I'll wait to see how it functions before commenting further. Government tends to announce great and lofty plans but the execution is dire.

But, on the surface, it's great news.

Great news that people on the housing list for years are about to be queue jumped?

Great news that a country in dire financial straits is committing to an unsustainable white elephant programme?

Or great news that we've just turned Ireland into a honeypot for every fake asylum seeker in the world?

Wii776 · 26-02-2021 12:16pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A long overdue overhaul.

I'll wait to see how it functions before commenting further. Government tends to announce great and lofty plans but the execution is dire.

But, on the surface, it's great news.

How is it great news? I'm an irish citizen, and pay tax here . I haven't a hope of buying a property due to age and income. I pay way more in rent than I would on a mortgage. Now I feel far less secure in my rented accommodation news like this makes me genuinely worry about how i will house my family.

wpd · 26-02-2021 12:18pm

Irish families living in hotel rooms
people paying huge rents and mortgages

rock up to Dublin airport with an auld story, theres a house for you, free medical, free legal aid
would you like to study for a free degree, how about free transport, free food, sure you need some money to
get some furniture, what about some new clothes

Oh you came here through the UK but you didnt bother claiming refugee status there, sure thats no problem
and when you get refugee status you want to go back for holidays to visit your family, sure of course you do

what a joke of a country this is

kildare lad · 26-02-2021 12:19pm

It must be a kick in the teeth to Irish people who're paying huge rents or mortgages seeing this. Is my child gonna have to emigrate in a few years time because he can't afford a house here or there's none on the market due to polices like this

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2021 12:20pm

Whatever about reforming the application system / process -

Aren't we just currently paying private hoteliers etc. a lot of public money to keep people in privately owned premesis for large profit, often in fairly poor conditions (not getting close to any kind of bang for buck) surely this is a positive step regardless? no?

Also ignoring the "wharrabout are homeliss" for a few minutes.

Donald Trump · 26-02-2021 12:21pm

bloopy wrote: »

Looks like we'll be getting our very own Donald Trump coming along in a few years.

On boards.ie? Never

Tork · 26-02-2021 12:22pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Aren't we just currently paying private hoteliers etc. a lot of public money to keep people in privately owned premises for large profit, often in fairly poor conditions (not getting close to any kind of bang for buck) surely this is a positive step regardless? no?

Has anybody done a costing of this? Might it be cheaper long-term to house all these people than continue to pay through the nose for the centres?

iebamm2580 · 26-02-2021 12:23pm

May be a blessing in disguise, if they actually vet people properly and return home the economic migrants sharpish, we might see a dramatic reduction in asylum claims, thats the most optimistic view i know, not a hope can the govt provide own door accommodation to thousands every year.

ednwireland · 26-02-2021 12:23pm

INTERNATIONAL PROTECTION APPLICANTS will spend no more than four months in six State-owned, not-for-profit centres before moving into their own

well that sounds like the start of a new quango with highly paid executiives who are friends of whoever is in power at the moment, and a complete black hole finance wise

26-02-2021 12:24pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Whatever about reforming the application system / process -

Aren't we just currently paying private hoteliers etc. a lot of public money to keep people in privately owned premesis for large profit, often in fairly poor conditions (not getting close to any kind of bang for buck) surely this is a positive step regardless? no?

Also ignoring the "wharrabout are homeliss" for a few minutes.

Yes, in theory that part is good. Take the money away from the private businesses running it at the moment, the money been made by some over the last 20 years is scandalous.

GT89 · 26-02-2021 12:24pm

Why not set up this scheme to help the Irish homeless and not asylum seekers? This is a disgrace and will turn Ireland into the new Sweden mark my word. If this happens I suspect the National Party will become a serious political force.

Some people over 20 years on the housing list and people who just rock up on our shores will get housing ahead. As for dp centres I'm sure many Irish would love 3 meals a day provided for my the taxpayer and a room to stay in. Plenty of Irish living in hotels where they have to get takeaways every night or worse still on the street both a lot worse than dp centres.

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2021 12:24pm

Tork wrote: »

Has anybody done a costing of this? Might it be cheaper long-term to house all these people than continue to pay through the nose for the centres?

It has to be, plus there being assets coming in to play rather than payments for services only - not to mention Aramark and other service providers getting a nice slice.

Geuze · 26-02-2021 12:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

A long overdue overhaul.

I'll wait to see how it functions before commenting further. Government tends to announce great and lofty plans but the execution is dire.

But, on the surface, it's great news.

Given that the vast majority of AS are bogus, and are illegal immigrants, how is it great news?

Surely great news would be to reduce the number of illegal immigrants entering the country?

Geuze · 26-02-2021 12:26pm

Tork wrote: »

Has anybody done a costing of this? Might it be cheaper long-term to house all these people than continue to pay through the nose for the centres?

Here's an idea: don't let illegal immigrants past the port / airport.

Process their claims in 24 hours max.

Patrick2010 · 26-02-2021 12:28pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

No its not.

This lie las been debunked many times.

A lie?....Ireland 2040

https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/property-construction-land-prospects/planning-for-a-population-increase-of-1-million-people-1.3269858

The ultimate objectives of the NPF are to guide the future development of Ireland, taking into account a projected one million increase in population, the need to create 660,000 additional jobs to achieve full employment and a predicted need for 550,000 more homes by 2040.
Of the one million extra people expected here, 25per cent are being planned for Dublin and 25per cent across Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford combined – enabling all four to grow their population and jobs by 50-60 per cent. The remaining 50 per cent of growth is planned to occur in key regional centres, towns, villages and rural areas, to be determined in the assemblies’ forthcoming regional plans (RSESs).

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2021 12:29pm

Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics from the lads who want this system directed at our own homeless, the same fellas who will tell you that our homeless are just lazy and shouldn't be given houses anyway, i.e. the 'welfare class'. The same folk will also argue against any form of social or affordable housing.

kildare lad · 26-02-2021 12:30pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Whatever about reforming the application system / process -

Aren't we just currently paying private hoteliers etc. a lot of public money to keep people in privately owned premesis for large profit, often in fairly poor conditions (not getting close to any kind of bang for buck) surely this is a positive step regardless? no?

Also ignoring the "wharrabout are homeliss" for a few minutes.

That money will be nothing compared to the amount we'll have to cough up now that the floodgates that have been opened . You'll have ever asylum seeker landing on our shores looking for an apartment . Wait until the next financial crash when Irish people start losing their homes again while the new arrivals are safe and sound in theirs. I pity the next green or labour politician that calls to my door canvasing

Geuze · 26-02-2021 12:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Independent politicians, either TDs or councillors are the only ones who will oppose this. It's interesting how the likes of Fine Gael, Fianna Fail, Sinn Fein etc. seem to have almost unanimous support for all these policies. Perhaps they are more "moral" than people who aren't connected to their political parties, hmmmm

I am disappointed in FF, FG.

If they are parties that support workers, and support law and order, they should be against illegal immigrants, and for Irish workers.

Yet people are charged 48.5% marginal income tax rate on any income over 36k, to pay for this??

If anti-immigrant parties do appear, the blame falls squarely on the current main parties.

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2021 12:32pm

kildare lad wrote: »

That money will be nothing compared to the amount we'll have to cough up now that the floodgates that have been opened . You'll have ever asylum seeker landing on our shores looking for an apartment . Wait until the next financial crash when Irish people start losing their homes again while the new arrivals are safe and sound in theirs. I pity the next green or labour politician that calls to my door canvasing

Ok, boogie man stuff then.

ExMachina1000 · 26-02-2021 12:32pm

A bad day for the young Irish who can only dream of owning their own home, a bad day for families living in hotels, a bad day for people on public housing waiting lists,a bad day for homeless and disadvantaged people.

A great day for asylum from all corners of the globe.

Talk about painting a target on your own back

The irony of young people who made the most noise about ending direct provision are the same people who need affordable housing themselves.

They have played themselves

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2021 12:33pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

A bad day for the young Irish who can only dream of owning their own home, a bad day for families living in hotels, a bad day for people on public housing waiting lists,a bad day for homeless and disadvantaged people.

A great day for asylum from all corners of the globe.

The irony of young people who made the most noise about ending direct provision are the same people who need affordable housing themselves.

They have played themselves

Does this new system mean the end of affordable housing or something? what am i not seeing here....?

statesaver · 26-02-2021 12:34pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

May be a blessing in disguise, if they actually vet people properly and return home the economic migrants sharpish, we might see a dramatic reduction in asylum claims, thats the most optimistic view i know, not a hope can the govt provide own door accommodation to thousands every year.

They are not doing that now. I would have no confidence they will do it in properly in the future. Vetting is where the resources should be pumped in.

It will get worse not better.

Thousands will come and get a free house and the overflow will be housed in hotels like they are now.

26-02-2021 12:35pm

kildare lad wrote: »

That money will be nothing compared to the amount we'll have to cough up now that the floodgates that have been opened . You'll have ever asylum seeker landing on our shores looking for an apartment . Wait until the next financial crash when Irish people start losing their homes again while the new arrivals are safe and sound in theirs. I pity the next green or labour politician that calls to my door canvasing

It's not just Labour and Greens. There is unanimous support for this amounst Fine Gael, Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein as well. People need to start speaking up

Wii776 · 26-02-2021 12:35pm

This is going to make a lot of people very angry

Why should I, as an irish citizen, have increased housing insecurity in order to facilitate a non citizen who is statistically likely to be a bogus asylum seeker. I'd vote for the devil himself at this stage if it got rid of bull **** like this

statesaver · 26-02-2021 12:36pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Does this new system mean the end of affordable housing or something? what am i not seeing here....?

Houses getting built

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2021 12:36pm

Wii776 wrote: »

This is going to make a lot of people very angry

Why should I, as an irish citizen, have increased housing insecurity in order to facilitate a non citizen who is statistically likely to be a bogus asylum seeker. I'd vote for the devil himself at this stage if it got rid of bull **** like this

How does this system increase housing insecurity for citizens?

ExMachina1000 · 26-02-2021 12:36pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Does this new system mean the end of affordable housing or something? what am i not seeing here....?

Less houses. Tighter supply. There is no mass nationwide building of affordable homes. Nor will there be. Rents and house prices only going one way.

Tacitus Kilgore · 26-02-2021 12:36pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Less houses. Tighter supply. There is no mass nationwide building of affordable homes. Nor will there be. Rents and house prices only going one way.

What do the asylum system changes have to do with that?

TomTomTim · 26-02-2021 12:37pm

Ireland is turning into a parody of a badly ran nation; it's like something from a comedy, minus the humor. I genuinely feel sorry for the people who come after us, as they'll be left with nation in a very bad state, that will be incredibly hard to fix.

26-02-2021 12:38pm

Geuze wrote: »

I am disappointed in FF, FG.

If they are parties that support workers, and support law and order, they should be against illegal immigrants, and for Irish workers.

Yet people are charged 48.5% marginal income tax rate on any income over 36k, to pay for this??

If anti-immigrant parties do appear, the blame falls squarely on the current main parties.

Agreed. The simple fact is they don't care what you think. There are no viable alternatives, they know this and they know there won't be for 10-20 years. Please don't even mention Sinn Fein to me, a party who would open the system even more

Doctor Roast · 26-02-2021 12:38pm

Are we ever going to get politicians that think and act in the interests of Irish people?

What we have at the moment is project implementation managers for the EU and various other organisations

ExMachina1000 · 26-02-2021 12:39pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

What do the asylum system changes have to do with that?

Councils buy up properties in towns and villages. Places with already tiny availability. Less property available for purchase or rent. Housing supply and availability is already minuscule.

Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

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