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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #1352
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Getting slated as we speak on Twitter, won’t be long until we hear no more from them!

    Have you the link? Love to see that.


  • #1353
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Have you the link? Love to see that.

    https://twitter.com/anmailleach/status/1365059461220618241?s=21


  • #1354
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    Mark1916 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/afp/status/1365056292629413893?s=21

    Heard that a few pages back


  • #1355
    fm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭fm


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Getting slated as we speak on Twitter, won’t be long until we hear no more from them!

    I don't know, they might be harder to get rid of than the virus


  • #1356
    User142
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭User142


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Getting slated as we speak on Twitter, won’t be long until we hear no more from them!

    Hopefully the media will read the room and stop giving complete cynics regular slots to promote their rubbish, which it appears they purposely slant to try and alarm and depress the public into buying into their plan.
    Cork2021 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/anmailleach/status/1365059461220618241?s=21


    That poll is from during the post Christmas surge and we are going to have a 3 month lockdown.... They really are struggling here! Falsely equating supporting level 5 with their zero covid. Pray this knocks the wind form their sails.


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  • #1357
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    rusty cole's threadban lifted after discussion with poster

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #1358
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Norma has had some work done


  • #1359
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Pat Leahy wrote an article an hour or two ago basically saying that support for the lockdown measures are going to nosedive once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated.

    That seems obvious to me at least - especially if they open up north. I'm grudgingly going along with lockdown because I see the reason behind it - it's to keep our mams and grannys safe. Once they're safe though, if the government stall for even a minute more than necessary on getting small business owners open, letting gyms open their shutters, and getting pubs back in action - especially if all of the same are open up north, I can see full scale civil unrest happening here.


  • #1360
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    I can see full scale civil unrest happening here.
    Yeah we've heard all this before. The public aren't fools, if virus numbers start rising and they think they are at risk, no-ones going to be rushing out to restaurants and gyms even if they are open.

    We'll be opening when it's safe to open and not before, the government aren't going to fall for the "people will use their common sense" line a second time.


  • #1361
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    What date it is expected that the elderly and vulnerable will be vaccinated? I don’t think that sentence is grammatically correct but ye get me


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  • #1362
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Pat Leahy wrote an article an hour or two ago basically saying that support for the lockdown measures are going to nosedive once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated.

    That seems obvious to me at least - especially if they open up north. I'm grudgingly going along with lockdown because I see the reason behind it - it's to keep our mams and grannys safe. Once they're safe though, if the government stall for even a minute more than necessary on getting small business owners open, letting gyms open their shutters, and getting pubs back in action - especially if all of the same are open up north, I can see full scale civil unrest happening here.

    it's funny Michael healy Rae said he'd back anyone opening up in July no matter what, he was talking about this chef lad making news the last few days.
    he's basically advocating law breaches..when that's the state of things, yes, you have to wonder is the end nigh? no matter who throws in the towel...the Govt or the public..


    PS one Healy rae, does not a che guevara make! :-)


  • #1363
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭Nermal


    hmmm wrote: »
    No-ones going to be rushing out to restaurants and gyms even if they are open.

    Open them, and let's see who's right.


  • #1364
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    retro:electro wrote: »
    What date it is expected that the elderly and vulnerable will be vaccinated? I don’t think that sentence is grammatically correct but ye get me

    As I understand, it is estimated to wrap up on "undetermined date" so that the government won't be expected to deliver on promises they can't keep. Obviously some guarded optimism, but definitely encouraged by these specific non-specifics.


  • #1365
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Nermal wrote: »
    Open them, and let's see who's right.
    No, because we don't want our hospitals full as a consequence and the rest of us locked down for months due to the actions of a few irresponsible people. The country blew its chance, I can understand why the government have to be very cautious now.


  • #1366
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    retro:electro wrote: »
    What date it is expected that the elderly and vulnerable will be vaccinated? I don’t think that sentence is grammatically correct but ye get me

    Mid May at the earliest for over 70s


  • #1367
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,278 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Pat Leahy wrote an article an hour or two ago basically saying that support for the lockdown measures are going to nosedive once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated.

    That seems obvious to me at least - especially if they open up north. I'm grudgingly going along with lockdown because I see the reason behind it - it's to keep our mams and grannys safe. Once they're safe though, if the government stall for even a minute more than necessary on getting small business owners open, letting gyms open their shutters, and getting pubs back in action - especially if all of the same are open up north, I can see full scale civil unrest happening here.

    I can see some house parties maybe , but " full scale civil unrest here" ..no.


  • #1368
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Pat Leahy wrote an article an hour or two ago basically saying that support for the lockdown measures are going to nosedive once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated.

    If this happens too soon we'll be right back into a fourth wave. Woop!


  • #1369
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭Nermal


    hmmm wrote: »
    No, because we don't want our hospitals full as a consequence and the rest of us locked down for months due to the actions of a few irresponsible people. The country blew its chance, I can understand why the government have to be very cautious now.

    Make up your mind. Would the restaurants and gyms be full if they were open, or not?


  • #1370
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Pat Leahy wrote an article an hour or two ago basically saying that support for the lockdown measures are going to nosedive once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated.

    That seems obvious to me at least - especially if they open up north. I'm grudgingly going along with lockdown because I see the reason behind it - it's to keep our mams and grannys safe. Once they're safe though, if the government stall for even a minute more than necessary on getting small business owners open, letting gyms open their shutters, and getting pubs back in action - especially if all of the same are open up north, I can see full scale civil unrest happening here.


    I hope so, wont be living here next month where going i can non essential live have a pt mask ok

    It about mental survival in ireland and paying back for all of this no leadership politicans irrelevant
    had a covid false pov "HSE" 2 week later sms and phone me to isolate had sought there help/advice, going to a better place GLA


  • #1371
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Arghus wrote: »
    I too think the ship has well past sailed on the zero Covid approach. There's no appetite from the people or the politicians to do it and I think many of those who consistently bang the drum about it are a bit naive about (a) how easy it would be to achieve and (b) the certainty of the desired outcome.

    But I do find it strange how Thomas Ryan in particular is a quasi-hate figure for some people.

    Okay, not everything the man has said has been correct, he has been proved wrong in a few predictions. Supposedly he claimed that hundreds of children would die as a result of schools reopening. That was incorrect.

    But, on the other hand, to be fair to him, he did call a lot of things correctly.

    During the summer, when a lot of people did not want to know, he warned that our test and trace capacity wasn't up to snuff, that we weren't doing enough about the risks posed by travel and that based on where we were further rolling lockdowns were inevitable and that would ultimately be even be more devastating for the wider economy. He was absolutely right about this and he was one of the rare few who consistently warned about this in the media - especially, as I've said, at a time when very few others were putting themselves out there warning about this - the narrative at the time was we'd weathered it and that we'd be sound.

    So, while I think it might be time for him to change the record somewhat, I don't think everything he says can be so easily dismissed out of hand. He has been, on the whole, more often right than wrong.

    I think that post is well considered. However, in my opinion, many of the issues people have with him is not what he says but how he says it, and indeed how he interacts on Twitter. And while he may have been more right that wrong, you have probably been more right than him.

    I also think that the zero Covid drive has become a cause which goes beyond an ‘expert’ scientific opinion and some of the opinion in respect to variants is quite dangerous.


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  • #1372
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    As I understand, it is estimated to wrap up on "undetermined date" so that the government won't be expected to deliver on promises they can't keep. Obviously some guarded optimism, but definitely encouraged by these specific non-specifics.


    If we vaccinate at half a million per month, we will take 10 months.
    Plus if the vaccine lasts 5 months, as they say.. the at risk cohort will have to get the arms ready again by October!! so the second 5 months will be pushed back and round we go again, because herd immunity wont be coming anytime soon on the island of Ireland.


  • #1373
    Mam of 4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,941 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    retro:electro wrote: »
    What date it is expected that the elderly and vulnerable will be vaccinated? I don’t think that sentence is grammatically correct but ye get me

    Quite a few vaccinated here two weeks ago , aunt and uncle got theirs , both in their eighties.


  • #1374
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Nermal wrote: »
    Make up your mind. Would the restaurants and gyms be full if they were open, or not?
    I'm sure they'd be full, and a few weeks later our hospitals would be full, and back we go into lockdown. Like has happened the previous two times we did this.

    We'll be re-opening when enough people have been vaccinated that we won't need to lockdown again.


  • #1375
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    retro:electro wrote: »
    What date it is expected that the elderly and vulnerable will be vaccinated? I don’t think that sentence is grammatically correct but ye get me

    Think there are just over 2 million considered elderly and/or vulnerable. If we get to 1 mill vaccines a month, which we are supposed to from march, then we should have them mainly covered by mid-late may.

    All depends on supply of course, which is why no-one will make a firm commitment.


  • #1376
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭blackcard


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    I hope so, wont be living here next month where going i can non essential live have a pt mask ok

    It about mental survival in ireland and paying back for all of this no leadership politicans irrelevant
    had a covid false pov "HSE" 2 week later sms and phone me to isolate had sought there help/advice, going to a better place GLA

    This reminds me of the drinking song

    Show me the way to home go
    I'm bed and I want to tired go
    I had a little hour about a drink ago
    But it head right through me went


  • #1377
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    rusty cole wrote: »
    If we vaccinate at half a million per month, we will take 10 months.
    Plus if the vaccine lasts 5 months, as they say.. the at risk cohort will have to get the arms ready again by October!! so the second 5 months will be pushed back and round we go again, because herd immunity wont be coming anytime soon on the island of Ireland.

    Where did you see that vaccines only lasts 5 months?


  • #1378
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Arghus wrote: »
    I too think the ship has well past sailed on the zero Covid approach. There's no appetite from the people or the politicians to do it and I think many of those who consistently bang the drum about it are a bit naive about (a) how easy it would be to achieve and (b) the certainty of the desired outcome.

    But I do find it strange how Thomas Ryan in particular is a quasi-hate figure for some people.

    Okay, not everything the man has said has been correct, he has been proved wrong in a few predictions. Supposedly he claimed that hundreds of children would die as a result of schools reopening. That was incorrect.

    But, on the other hand, to be fair to him, he did call a lot of things correctly.

    During the summer, when a lot of people did not want to know, he warned that our test and trace capacity wasn't up to snuff, that we weren't doing enough about the risks posed by travel and that based on where we were further rolling lockdowns were inevitable and that would ultimately be even be more devastating for the wider economy. He was absolutely right about this and he was one of the rare few who consistently warned about this in the media - especially, as I've said, at a time when very few others were putting themselves out there warning about this - the narrative at the time was we'd weathered it and that we'd be sound.

    So, while I think it might be time for him to change the record somewhat, I don't think everything he says can be so easily dismissed out of hand. He has been, on the whole, more often right than wrong.

    I think it’s letting him of the hook a bit to say “ah well he was wrong about 104 dead children but he was bang on to be skeptical about our test and trace capacity...”

    They don’t exactly cancel each other out.

    He made the claims about dead children on Dunphys podcast. He used speculative worst case predictions and recklessly edtrapolated them to come up with 104 dead children. He also then went on to invoke the troubles and asked how many innocent children died from bombs.

    This is not scientific. It’s a deliberate attempt to emotionally blackmail the public and drive fear and anxiety as high as possible.

    So for that alone I think he’s a piece of **** myself.


  • #1379
    bluelamp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭bluelamp


    hmmm wrote: »
    Yeah we've heard all this before. The public aren't fools, if virus numbers start rising and they think they are at risk, no-ones going to be rushing out to restaurants and gyms even if they are open.

    But most people don't feel at risk of this virus making them seriously ill (and they would be correct)


  • #1380
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,033 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Isn't Kingston Mills a breath of fresh air.

    On PT now. Lays out the facts and a bit of optimism based on facts.

    I think he's been been good in general over the past year. Obviously says when he's concerned about various aspects of the handling of the pandemic but does strike an optimistic tone usually. Unlike some of the more alarmist Zero Coviders. Noticeably he never aligned himself with them as far as I know. Despite working close to a few of them in TCD.


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  • #1381
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Say we get down to <100 cases a day, hospital numbers <100 and <50 in ICU by mid April, but by then we still won’t have vaccinated all the elderly and vulnerable; do people think there will be a push to open up?


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