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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #1322
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s interesting that the vast majority of posts here against those guys are essentially just insults. It’s like people don’t like their opinions but can’t come up with good reasons why they are wrong.


    Well their constant fear mongering, pushing for endless restrictions, dissing the effectiveness of vaccines while never ending bigging up of variants, have made them parodies.

    Add in the wildly over the top predictions of these “experts” and yea ridicule is the best course to take with these people.


  • #1323
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The insults and name distortions are childish but some of those guys aforementioned have effectively being spouting irresponsible rhetoric that may inspire vaccine hesitancy.

    They are all strongly pro vaccine. It’s people misinterpreting what they are saying that may be an issue. To be honest though I don’t expect vaccine hesitancy to be a major issue in Ireland.


  • #1324
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    If people are presenting themselves as experts on a topic in the media, it's their responsibility to ensure the message they're putting out there is clear.

    If only it was that simple to deal with the media. The media don’t want facts. They want a bit of drama to improve ratings.


  • #1325
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,279 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    I never said it was covid that caused the suicides I know of - I have no idea what caused it.


    What I HAVE noticed is an enormous uptick in genuine depression amongst my contacts, directly related to the pandemic and the impact it's had on them.

    Of course not everything is because of covid but similarly, you have no idea if suicides ARE because of what we've been living through.


    It's been taken as fact that the mental health of the population as a whole has taken a hit from this, so it's nothing to do with any agenda.

    I think it is correct to say that a lot of people of all ages are finding that the continuing lockdown this time is depressing .
    That is why every negative / positive said by those in authority is jumped on and examined by all on here.
    But mental health issues should not be used as an excuse to endeavour to force any relaxation before the evidence says it is ok to do so.
    I think we all recognise at this stage that it would be dreadful if we did open too soon and ended up in another severe lockdown .

    I don't think I could go through another wave like this last one and continue in my job . Wrecked .
    Just relieved that the vaccines appear to be working as admissions and severe case numbers being hospitalised are now falling , while still a lot dying in ICU
    It has given everyone in healthcare a welcome morale boost as you probably know from your family members in healthcare .


  • #1326
    pc7
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    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s interesting that the vast majority of posts here against those guys are essentially just insults. It’s like people don’t like their opinions but can’t come up with good reasons why they are wrong.

    Ah the photo was funny, tongue in cheek, it can be a heavy thread and it made me chuckle:)


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  • #1327
    jackboy
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    pc7 wrote: »
    Ah the photo was funny, tongue in cheek, it can be a heavy thread and it made me chuckle:)

    Yea, it was one of the better efforts.


  • #1328
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    George Lee waffling on RTE News now about 20 different variants, all that's missing is a weaker variant.

    George Lee is long overdue a one-way trip to a landfill.


  • #1329
    nsnoefc1878
    Closed Accounts Posts: 596 ✭✭✭nsnoefc1878


    Wherever people's opinions of Tomas Ryan, he has been remarkably consistent over the course of this pandemic. And I don't find him sensationalist or alarmist. He's put that mark Paul clown in his box over the pre Christmas reopening. And as far as I can see he's been fairly on the money in most of what he's said. I don't get people's hatred towards him and his group, there seems to be this idea that they want to take over the country but I see no evidence for that. I don't imagine any of them will remain in the public domain once this ends.
    I was in favour of a zero covid approach but I think we've missed the boat, it would need to be implemented early, in the first or second lockdown. Too late for it now as people have had enough


  • #1330
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    You implied multiple people you knew killed themselves because of covid while only one person you knew died of covid.

    And just because people are unhappy and fed up at the current restrictions doesn't mean they all have depression.

    I didn't imply anything, I stated my opinions on mental health


    And in an earlier post a few days ago, I very clearly said some of my friends have gone as far as seeking mental health treatment.

    There's an enormous difference between being fed up at restrictions and being genuinely mentally unwell, but it appears your belief is that any mention of mental health is a typical rallying call against restrictions - funnily, I don't oppose most of the restrictions. I think a couple should be loosened, that's all, no agenda.


    And to add on to the mental health stuff - I'm literally seeking treatment for what I believe (and my GP believes) is a reoccurrence of depression and anxiety that I haven't needed help for in many years. So with all due respect, feck off with your crap saying people are just "fed up." Plenty are unwell, it's known even by the government that people have become genuinely, clinically mentally unwell because of this


  • #1331
    TheDoctor
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    thelad95 wrote: »
    George Lee is long overdue a one-way trip to a landfill.

    George Lee has spent longer spreading fear of variants than he did as a TD.


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  • #1332
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I think it is correct to say that a lot of people of all ages are finding that the continuing lockdown this time is depressing .
    That is why every negative / positive said by those in authority is jumped on and examined by all on here.
    But mental health issues should not be used as an excuse to endeavour to force any relaxation before the evidence says it is ok to do so.
    I think we all recognise at this stage that it would be dreadful if we did open too soon and ended up in another severe lockdown .

    I don't think I could go through another wave like this last one and continue in my job . Wrecked .
    Just relieved that the vaccines appear to be working as admissions and severe case numbers being hospitalised are now falling , while still a lot dying in ICU
    It has given everyone in healthcare a welcome morale boost as you probably know from your family members in healthcare .

    Yep, I definitely don't think restrictions should relax purely on the basis of mental health. I think more needs to be done for mental health and the impact of restrictions upon it needs to be realised more. There are some restrictions I'd like to see eased even now, but I wouldn't be in favour of easing everything at all, I'm not anti-restrictions despite struggling with them. I have and will continue to abide by them.


    My HCW family members all feel much better thankfully, they've all been fully immunised :)


  • #1333
    Goldengirl
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    amlinopta wrote: »
    George has found another new variant on the nine o’clock news. Comical at this stage.

    While I get that people think he is panicky and hyped up about the pandemic , I have yet to hear him give inaccurate information.
    In fact his main fault being he probably is giving people too much information, which they don't really want to hear , for their own reasons .
    So let's give a reporter a break for accurately reporting about what is actually a new variant of concern , which was reported by Cillian de Gascun this evening , albeit just one case !


  • #1334
    Hespy
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    pc7 wrote: »
    Ah the photo was funny, tongue in cheek, it can be a heavy thread and it made me chuckle:)

    That's was exactly the purpose of it. Everything about this pandemic falls somewhere between the worst case scenarios, often portrayed by these 4, and happy happy news, like Luke O Neill's Twitter feed! Once we realise that the reality falls somewhere in the middle, we'll be alright!


  • #1335
    Cork2021
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    Oh Gerry you absolute wet wipe!

    https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1365045800678674435?s=21


  • #1336
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    I hear there is a George Lee variant going around. It leaves you with big bulging eyes and a throbbing neck vein, sweaty palms, an unbridled sense of panic and doom and an inability to talk about anything other than Covid for the next five years. Be afraid


  • #1337
    Goldengirl
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    nsnoefc1878 wrote: »
    Wherever people's opinions of Tomas Ryan, he has been remarkably consistent over the course of this pandemic. And I don't find him sensationalist or alarmist. He's put that mark Paul clown in his box over the pre Christmas reopening. And as far as I can see he's been fairly on the money in most of what he's said. I don't get people's hatred towards him and his group, there seems to be this idea that they want to take over the country but I see no evidence for that. I don't imagine any of them will remain in the public domain once this ends.
    I was in favour of a zero covid approach but I think we've missed the boat, it would need to be implemented early, in the first or second lockdown. Too late for it now as people have had enough

    Agree. It's a case of demonising them for their ( educated ) opinions because the majority don't like what Zero Covid would entail.
    That is not the fault of that group . Their message is ultraconservative and a bit difficult to see whether it would work here on the edge of Europe , but is not crazy .

    I think if it was to be done it should have been done last summer while cases were low and inward travel was reduced , and the government could have had quarantine in place .
    However there was no appetite or inclination from our leaders for that as there still isn't enough in place , and especially pre Brexit I suppose the threat of closing borders might have had long term ramifications for the Northern Irish protocol .
    As it is now the numbers are too high , even if our friends up North were of the same mind .
    And the people have had enough of level 5 .


  • #1338
    Azatadine
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    Isn't Kingston Mills a breath of fresh air.

    On PT now. Lays out the facts and a bit of optimism based on facts.


  • #1339
    Goldengirl
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    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Paragraphs my good man, paragraphs.

    And a few deep breaths !


  • #1340
    Tyrone212
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    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    I didn't imply anything, I stated my opinions on mental health


    And in an earlier post a few days ago, I very clearly said some of my friends have gone as far as seeking mental health treatment.

    There's an enormous difference between being fed up at restrictions and being genuinely mentally unwell, but it appears your belief is that any mention of mental health is a typical rallying call against restrictions - funnily, I don't oppose most of the restrictions. I think a couple should be loosened, that's all, no agenda.


    And to add on to the mental health stuff - I'm literally seeking treatment for what I believe (and my GP believes) is a reoccurrence of depression and anxiety that I haven't needed help for in many years. So with all due respect, feck off with your crap saying people are just "fed up." Plenty are unwell, it's known even by the government that people have become genuinely, clinically mentally unwell because of this

    You did imply that below. Without doubt.

    "So there's feck all else really I can do. A person close to me is so fecked they've been sectioned. A few took their own lives over the past year.

    I've had many, many relatives with covid (because they work in hospitals, it was inevitable), the I've had one die from covid, but fcuk me, the impact upon the mental health of my friends, family and I is much, much worse than the impact of covid itself from what I've seen."

    Feck off? Charming. You're right about one thing, there is a massive difference between being mentally ill and fed up of restrictions and thats exactly the point I made. Just because people are fed up and sick of restrictions doesn't mean they ALL have depression. Feeling down or sad at times about the situation does not mean you have depression. Having a moan doesn't mean you depression. Not disputing you having it btw.


  • #1341
    Sanjuro
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    Azatadine wrote: »
    Isn't Kingston a breath of fresh air.

    On PT now.

    I'd like to see him on a same panel as Tomas Ryan. Just so he could put an end to Ryan's utter bollockology.


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  • #1342
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    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I don’t necessarily agree with the conclusions but valid points made on some of the key events and inconsistencies over the last 12 months.

    Thank you..im glad you at least tried to get some if it..yes its lost in translation i admit but its frustrating trying to get it accoss. Cheers.


  • #1343
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    And here we are on the defensive!

    https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1365055743091765253?s=21


  • #1344
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭techdiver


    We really need to just stop the zero covid talk. It's ridiculous and can not work here if you like luxuries such as food. We have a land border with another jurisdiction that won't have matching restrictions and more importantly we do not come even remotely close to having the required infrastructure to operate lolo (driverless) freight.

    Have these zero covid zealots come up with a detailed plan for how it could be implemented without completely crippling the country. So far I've only seen opportunistic politicians and people from a medical background with no other qualifications or viewpoint of anything apart from pure covid numbers.


  • #1345
    Deeper Blue
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    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s interesting that the vast majority of posts here against those guys are essentially just insults. It’s like people don’t like their opinions but can’t come up with good reasons why they are wrong.

    At least two of them predicted 50,000+ deaths, that's just off the top of my head.

    I seriously worry about anyone that can't see how damaging these "scientists" are to our society.

    They need to go away.


  • #1346
    Necro
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    rusty cole wrote: »
    in the beginning based on the videos, one could see how with all the Italian deaths, this looked bad but as scientists, they follow the evidence. They should know that part of Italy is ripe with centenarians. Top 5 in the world up with France, Spain Japan etc. Last night on RTE the head of the vaccine roll out said this disease has a main age profile when it comes to hospitalizations and severe sickness, not even death actually, she said over 85's, 3 years over the average life expectancy in Ireland. So before Covid, what was killing people more successfully than covid?? heart disease, cancer, respiratory disease.. not any more then? it's just all Covid is it?? why are they asking to save all the older people when primetime was exposing care home abuse for years while nobody cared?? when there was nothing else in the news beside tribunals ? in Enda kennys back yard..when cuts came in the "grey brigade" had to go to GOVT buildings so as not to freeze to death, remember they wanted to cancel fuel allowance?? but hey it's all about holding firm!!! I see Paul Reid is an epidemiologist now saying the variant could Explode "exponentially" in a few weeks if we don't knuckle down..they're only short of a WhatsApp group with ISAG, et al at this stage.. In Feb the WHO and CDC take a punt from ASIA as to the most likey FLU strian to do the rounds in our neck of the woods that wintern, say OCTOBER. A few years back they got it wrong and vaccinations were useless against a different strain.. point being, you cannot vaccinate for every strain, we could have one for every country in Africa, over 50, what then?? we have to live with it, Like gay men in the 80's, if you're at high risk, where a condom.. the mask is the new condom and at risk is just breathing and going outside// the young that die are as rare as hemophiliacs and just as tragic though as any other.. what else can we do...lock down for life....what if the vaccines come up short? wouldn't be the 1st time Big Pharma lied to get up the que??

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  • #1347
    User142
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    Cork2021 wrote: »
    And here we are on the defensive!

    https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1365055743091765253?s=21

    The desperation in their thread quoting polls from back in January. They have completely missed the mood change in the country that occurred over February.

    The pressure from the public to ease restrictions will be immense once the venerable and elderly are vaccinated.


  • #1348
    TheDoctor
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    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 585 (down from 597 last night)
    ICU 140 (up from 135 last night)


  • #1349
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,312 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    nsnoefc1878 wrote: »
    Wherever people's opinions of Tomas Ryan, he has been remarkably consistent over the course of this pandemic. And I don't find him sensationalist or alarmist. He's put that mark Paul clown in his box over the pre Christmas reopening. And as far as I can see he's been fairly on the money in most of what he's said. I don't get people's hatred towards him and his group, there seems to be this idea that they want to take over the country but I see no evidence for that. I don't imagine any of them will remain in the public domain once this ends.
    I was in favour of a zero covid approach but I think we've missed the boat, it would need to be implemented early, in the first or second lockdown. Too late for it now as people have had enough

    I too think the ship has well past sailed on the zero Covid approach. There's no appetite from the people or the politicians to do it and I think many of those who consistently bang the drum about it are a bit naive about (a) how easy it would be to achieve and (b) the certainty of the desired outcome.

    But I do find it strange how Thomas Ryan in particular is a quasi-hate figure for some people.

    Okay, not everything the man has said has been correct, he has been proved wrong in a few predictions. Supposedly he claimed that hundreds of children would die as a result of schools reopening. That was incorrect.

    But, on the other hand, to be fair to him, he did call a lot of things correctly.

    During the summer, when a lot of people did not want to know, he warned that our test and trace capacity wasn't up to snuff, that we weren't doing enough about the risks posed by travel and that based on where we were further rolling lockdowns were inevitable and that would ultimately be even be more devastating for the wider economy. He was absolutely right about this and he was one of the rare few who consistently warned about this in the media - especially, as I've said, at a time when very few others were putting themselves out there warning about this - the narrative at the time was we'd weathered it and that we'd be sound.

    So, while I think it might be time for him to change the record somewhat, I don't think everything he says can be so easily dismissed out of hand. He has been, on the whole, more often right than wrong.


  • #1350
    Mark1916
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Mark1916


    https://twitter.com/afp/status/1365056292629413893?s=21


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  • #1351
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    User142 wrote: »
    The desperation in their thread quoting polls from back in January. They have completely missed the mood change in the country that occurred over February.

    The pressure from the public to ease restrictions will be immense once the venerable and elderly are vaccinated.

    Getting slated as we speak on Twitter, won’t be long until we hear no more from them!


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