Starlink now open for pre-orders.

24-02-2021 5:20pm

listermint wrote: »

He said he's got 27mb.

27 down, 2 up

listermint · 24-02-2021 5:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

27 down, 2 up

Fair but often folks including it professionals simply aren't making the most of their connection by poor internal network setup.

Marlow · 24-02-2021 5:21pm

Spocker wrote: »

Signed up for this today too; I'm in a town in South Kilkenny, with no fibre option available to me at the moment, so I'm only getting ~27Mb down and usually less than 2Mb up (so useless for video calls). It'll be interesting to see how this one pans out, I'll be quick to cancel ADSL if it's anyways decent

listermint wrote: »

He said he's got 27mb.

27 down, less than 2 up.

Need to read the whole post. And you need the upload for Zoom also. Download is useless, if you don't have the upload.

It's a 2-way street ... there's somebody on the other end, that needs the video stream from you also.

/M

Marlow · 24-02-2021 5:24pm

listermint wrote: »

Tbf that confirms nothing. They could stick caps on tomorrow or next week there's nothing in there to say you'd even get your first year without caps on your speeds. It's vague and I don't think that's an unfair concern for the costs

Then read the terms and conditions again, before you sign up (if you do).

Also .. as there is no contract term, one can always cancel, if they change the terms and conditions to something one doesn't like. They have made a clear statement, that there are no limits right now and they don't intend to go down that route.

What exactly is your problem ?

/M

joe123 · 24-02-2021 5:27pm

Spocker wrote: »

Yep, I'm sure. As an IT professional I spend a lot of my day on calls (on various platforms, Zoom, Meet, Teams etc) and you actually need a decent *upload* speed for the quality of my picture to be any good, at the recipients end. If Starlink works out for me, the extra cost is €40/month, and it's worth it for me

No problem, I work in IT myself, just wanted to flag it in case you didnt have a knowledge of it.

Totally agree if you are trying to run downloads/uploads at the same time as Zoom calls it will be a disaster.

BUT if you are the only user with no background usage consuming bandwidth, those speeds would be fine.

I work off ~7 down / 0.5 up and I'm able to manage. As listermint mentions though, you just need to be aware of your internal set up to make the best out of a bad situation.

aFlabbyPanda · 24-02-2021 5:55pm

I ordered it today, also working in IT, plus the wife works from home due to covid, along with 2 teenagers doing school/gaming/netflix etc we are killing my 50mb fixed wireless (it usually only gets about 30mb). We have rural fibre which is 'up to 100mb' but in reality its 18mb to the door.

listermint · 24-02-2021 6:53pm

Marlow wrote: »

Then read the terms and conditions again, before you sign up (if you do).

Also .. as there is no contract term, one can always cancel, if they change the terms and conditions to something one doesn't like. They have made a clear statement, that there are no limits right now and they don't intend to go down that route.

What exactly is your problem ?

/M

No problem. Just making people aware to dig under all the absolute fan boyism for the service that goes on in posts like these.

It's expensive. It's not fully tested yet under load conditions. The terms and conditions are open to change at any point and you'd still be 500 euro in the hole.

So whilst it may very well work for certain people. It can also be an expensive lesson for someone to find out that the problem is actually inside their house and not outside.

You you dislike opposite views to discussion?

Marlow · 24-02-2021 7:34pm

listermint wrote: »

It's expensive. It's not fully tested yet under load conditions. The terms and conditions are open to change at any point and you'd still be 500 euro in the hole.

No, you won't. Because you have equiment, that actually is worth quite a lot and with there be a short supply of these dishes especially being ramped up, I don't see how you couldn't sell the dish on for at least the same money or little under.

As I said, there is nobody preventing you to cancel the service at any given time and flog the equipment to somebody else, that wants the service. There's literally nothing to loose here.

I do like an open discussion. You however don't read half of the content of the posts (like ignoring us discussing upload issues) and always try to dig out the bad out of everything, which is an odd attitude to have. But everyone to their own.

I posted this for a constructive discussion. Not for a negative undermining of every comment or statement made.

/M

irishgeo · 24-02-2021 7:52pm

joe123 wrote: »

Just received an email from Starlink stating orders are now available in my area (North Galway)

Honestly would jump at this if pricing was lower. Wonder what the most recent upload speeds were coming in at.

Also curious to see recent tests in what impact a number of devices would have on speeds, eg, Someone downloading/uploading and another person streaming.

EDIT: Meant to ask, is there a contract length associated with Starlink?

No contact in the pre orders T&C's. Also you cancel your 99 euro deposit at any time before delivery, could take 6 months.

Also states it's for personal use only.

Marlow · 24-02-2021 7:55pm

irishgeo wrote: »

Also states it's for personal use only.

I'll translate that, as you shouldn't start hosting on it or use it to run an internet cafe or the likes. Just my 2c.

Quite similar terms on most other residential broadband offerings.

/M

Oafley Jones · 24-02-2021 8:32pm

I’ve just ordered this. It’ll probably be a bit of a disaster at first, but so is Imagine, at least here I might have some chance of improvement down the line. Sick of restarting the router multiple times a day, sick at looking up the openeir map, while our immediate neighbours FTTH connections and knowing that the 300m to the road means we’re probably fawked for quite some time. I just need hope.

joe123 · 24-02-2021 8:45pm

Bit annoying they cant guarantee a delivery date between now and 6 months. Likely scenario of being stuck in a contract with someone like Vodafone and then having to pay Starlink 99 a month on top of whatever Vodafone etc get.

Well def keep a close eye on it. The more I think about it, I might just swallow the 99 euro a month as at least it will give me decent broadband until the NBI come along - still haven't been surveyed so thats 3-4 years at the earliest.

joe123 · 24-02-2021 9:07pm

Marlow wrote: »

I posted a link to the twitter feed in the very first post. It is full of very recent speed tests. Typically 25-30 Mbit/s upload. Best to read that.

Especially seeing as nobody here has the service yet.

/M

Just coming back to upload speeds, had a look through the thread. Not overly encouraging unless I'm looking in the wrong place.

Upload speeds of ~13Mb

For me I think I'm going to wait until more people start using it, especially in Ireland.

irishgeo · 24-02-2021 9:12pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I’ve just ordered this. It’ll probably be a bit of a disaster at first, but so is Imagine, at least here I might have some chance of improvement down the line. Sick of restarting the router multiple times a day, sick at looking up the openeir map, while our immediate neighbours FTTH connections and knowing that the 300m to the road means we’re probably fawked for quite some time. I just need hope.

https://satellitemap.space/

Shows the starlink live satellite above your location. Alot more over Ireland than the last time I checked.

aFlabbyPanda · 25-02-2021 12:19am

I'm fine with the price. We don't have Sky tv and instead use saorview/freesat/netflix/amazon/bbc player etc so 99€ is still better off for the faster link than paying sky for TV and someone else for broadband etc.

Its about priorities really. For me(us) having 3 times the speed is more than worth twice the price of what we pay now.

TheWonderLlama · 25-02-2021 11:06am

Put my name down for this yesterday and paid the deposit.
No idea if I will get it or not.
our home has copper only and we're lucky to get 5MB on a terrible connection that keeps dropping out.
Anything is better that what we have currently. If this works, i can work from home. Happy to pay the price.

theguzman · 25-02-2021 4:43pm

I have decided to sign up for this as my house in Ireland is in a very remote location and my parents house is also. I am paying €90 per month already for a landline service and eir mobile package plus €26 for Sky TV, all these will be cancelled and replaced by Starlink + GoMo so I'll actually save like €3 per month but have far faster speed.

Both my extreme rural house and parents rural village suburban house were recently surveyed for NBI FTTH and Starlink is a temporary solution until the fibre arrives, it is not and will never be the final solution for rural connectivity.

Lets imagine Ireland is back in 1951, Musk is a great Generator salesman and his generator is amazing but costly, if we listen to the naysayers anti-rural brigade (Dimmy Toolbag types) then we should stop rural electrification entirely and rely on Musk's generators. The NBP is the same as rural electrification and it is well into the future that it will be appreciated, only those with no tech understanding or vision want to stop it now. Ireland is one country, rural V urban is not an argument and we are a tiny nation and fibre to 5m is very important.

I am a fan of Starlink and can just imagine how it will revolutionise comms in truely rural areas, think African villages and developing countries, not Ireland a country with extremely high GDP and development. You could pop up a 4G cell tower in rural Congo powered by starlink, I'm sure Musk will be open to some type of wholesale sharing agreement if the price is right.

darrenheaphy · 25-02-2021 7:14pm

When you all say you're signing up do you mean the €99 deposit or it's moved from pre-order to the actual purchase of the hardware? I paid the deposit a few weeks back, can't wait to find out when I actually order it

ted1 · 25-02-2021 7:20pm

NIMAN wrote: »

I read the headline about the Kerry trial but this is a non-runner is it's going to cost €99 per month (and that's excludingthe €500 For setup).

I appreciate that it's expensive technology but that's simply too much for residential customers. Perhaps companies might take it up more though?

But it’s the ok for the government to spend 10k per house on broadband

€500 is a steal for a rural house that was cheap as it had little to no utilities.

ted1 · 25-02-2021 7:22pm

F00t13f4n wrote: »

There is at least one other satellite internet provider already operating in Ireland - an ad for konnectme.ie appeared on my Facebook feed last week.

I have no idea how good / bad they are, but they seem to be more realistic in their pricing anyway.

Realistic ? No they will offer poor latency. And a poor service compared to starlink

joe123 · 25-02-2021 8:24pm

ted1 wrote: »

But it’s the ok for the government to spend 10k per house on broadband

€500 is a steal for a rural house that was cheap as it had little to no utilities.

Little to no utilities? What?

Some people really do have a warped view of "rural"

Not everyone lives in a mud hut up the side of a mountain demanding fibre speed broadband so they can watch 4k netflix.

ted1 · 25-02-2021 9:11pm

joe123 wrote: »

Little to no utilities? What?

Some people really do have a warped view of "rural"

Not everyone lives in a mud hut up the side of a mountain demanding fibre speed broadband so they can watch 4k netflix.

Tick the utilities rural house have:
Broadband
Cable tv
Mains water
Mains sewage
Natrual gas
Electricity

listermint · 25-02-2021 9:36pm

ted1 wrote: »

Tick the utilities rural house have:
Broadband
Cable tv
Mains water
Mains sewage
Natrual gas
Electricity

Ted I know your trying to be edgey and controversial. There's homes in central. North West and south Dublin with 'broadband' speeds under 10mb .

This is meant to be a hub of technology in the world. 10k per household is absolute peanuts to stay in the game.

Peanuts.

joe123 · 25-02-2021 9:52pm

ted1 wrote: »

Tick the utilities rural house have:
Broadband
Cable tv
Mains water
Mains sewage
Natrual gas
Electricity

I'm honestly not sure if you're on a wind up here if you genuinely believe rural areas dont have the same/similar utilities listed there. :pac:

I realise this is getting well off topic now but Jesus. I was initially joking about people thinking rural was mud cabins on mountains.

Anyways I think theguzman summed it up really well above. Ireland is a small country, and can easily be passed by for one reason or another. Seeing our little island fully connected to the gold standard is only going to be a good thing in the long run. For enticing business and as a place to live.

As for Starlink, I'll personally be keeping a close eye on progress, as my area are likely looking at 2025 before Fibre arrives so it could definitely end up being an option for the foreseeable.

degsie · 25-02-2021 10:18pm

Starlink will be a game changer and will reshape how/where people want to live. I think in time this technology will be considered to be up there with the likes of the industrial revolution.

25-02-2021 10:23pm

degsie wrote: »

Starlink will be a game changer and will reshape how/where people want to live. I think in time this technology will be considered to be up there with the likes of the industrial revolution.

Will it though, it'll fill in some gaps in rural fibre but a satellite has the same bandwidth feeding it as a small rural exchange covering a much larger geographic area. It'll get slower as more people connect

ted1 · 25-02-2021 10:41pm

listermint wrote: »

Ted I know your trying to be edgey and controversial. There's homes in central. North West and south Dublin with 'broadband' speeds under 10mb .

This is meant to be a hub of technology in the world. 10k per household is absolute peanuts to stay in the game.

Peanuts.

Do those homes in Dublin come under the broadband scheme?

Spending 10k to provide broadband to a one off housing , where the Presin who built it snd bought it knew that there was no broadband is madness. One off houses like that shouldn’t even have been allowed

Marlow · 25-02-2021 10:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Will it though, it'll fill in some gaps in rural fibre but a satellite has the same bandwidth feeding it as a small rural exchange covering a much larger geographic area. It'll get slower as more people connect

Not quite. This is where Starlink is quite unique, once the links between the satellites are turned up.

The satellites are meant to be interconnected by laser. Like the laser or light, that is used in fibre optics. But because the light between the satellites travels in a vacuum, it's nearly twice as fast as it would be inside glasfibers.

As a result you have the capacity and multiples thereof .. as large exchanges.

The bottleneck will be the traffic volume at the ground station. But these groundstations can be placed at big bandwidth hubs. So a satellite, that doesn't have access to one of those hubs/groundstations can send the data across other satellites, until it hits one, that is in view of such ground station.

The bottlenecks, that OpenEIR has with some of their rural fibre exchanges literally don't exist.

Also .. and this is especially for Ireland ... the chances of those optical satellite interconnects to be broken and the timeframe to reposition a satellite to fix such a break is fractions of time, of what it takes OpenEIR to fix a broken/busted fibre and replace a bunch of storm damaged poles. Just saying ! Reliability Starlink vs. OpenEIR will be through the roof.

When a tree falls on a cable or fibre, the fibre or cable breaks and the link is gone. If the tree falls into a wireless link (or optical link in space), nothing happens, unless said fallen tree blocks it

You see packet loss for few milliseconds. And I have yet to see trees in space.

To put above into a simple statement: the scalability of Starlink's irish footprint, once fully deployed and operational, is beyond OpenEirs fibre network in rural Ireland. It is not meant to compete with urban 5G deployments. For low to medium density areas, it's unbeatable though .. on scalability .. the price point is a different story. (both in cost to deploy and cost to subscribe)

I leave this picture here for prosperity:

Yes .. that's a phone pole behind the fallen tree. Yes, there was an overhead VDSL cable (or what Eir would have glorifiedly called "eFibre") from said pole to the building behind me, taking the picture. As I said .. WAS ! Time to fix: .. well ... it'll be a while.

Can you see the advantage with not having overhead lines ? Or a wireless or fast/quick satellite connection ? Especially in Ireland ? Do you know how many broken rural FTTH connections there's been this winter already ? Co. Cork has been a disaster this week .. to put it mildly, with entire exchanges being offline for multiple days.

/M

listermint · 26-02-2021 9:07am

ted1 wrote: »

Do those homes in Dublin come under the broadband scheme?

Spending 10k to provide broadband to a one off housing , where the Presin who built it snd bought it knew that there was no broadband is madness. One off houses like that shouldn’t even have been allowed

Yes they do.

Will that make you stop and think a bit more about what infrastructure means to an all island economy....

At some point you might start thinking past your own front door

heffo500 · 26-02-2021 9:17am

For most people outside of the cities, a 4G or 5G connection with an external aerial will cover all their needs, all for only €20/€25 respectively Government should have invested more in this tech and left fibre for the big cities. Who in their right might would pay Eir money to rent telephone poles given they have pilfered the network. The worst thing the government ever did was privatised the telephone network, we would probably all have fibre by now otherwise.

Wanderer78 · 26-02-2021 9:18am

heffo500 wrote:

For most people outside of the cities, a 4G or 5G connection with an external aerial will cover all their needs, all for only â‚¬20/â‚¬25 respectively Government should have invested more in this tech and left fibre for the big cities. Who in their right might would pay Eir money to rent telephone poles given they have pilfered the network. The worst thing the government ever did was privatised the telephone network, we would probably all have fibre by now otherwise.

Now now, the wealth 'trickles down'!

listermint · 26-02-2021 9:20am

heffo500 wrote: »

For most people outside of the cities, a 4G or 5G connection with an external aerial will cover all their needs, all for only €20/€25 respectively Government should have invested more in this tech and left fibre for the big cities. Who in their right might would pay Eir money to rent telephone poles given they have pilfered the network. The worst thing the government ever did was privatised the telephone network, we would probably all have fibre by now otherwise.

This is really poor attempt, try harder. 2 / 10

ted1 · 26-02-2021 11:01am

listermint wrote: »

Yes they do.

Will that make you stop and think a bit more about what infrastructure means to an all island economy....

At some point you might start thinking past your own front door

All island infrastructure is great when people live in areas with high density. But if people choose to build on cheap land in low density , then the trade off is that they don’t get the infrastructure. The tax payer sound not be left picking up the tab to subsides their lifestyle choice.

Orebro · 26-02-2021 11:14am

Marlow wrote: »

Not quite. This is where Starlink is quite unique, once the links between the satellites are turned up.

Also .. and this is especially for Ireland ... the chances of those optical satellite interconnects to be broken and the timeframe to reposition a satellite to fix such a break is fractions of time, of what it takes OpenEIR to fix a broken/busted fibre and replace a bunch of storm damaged poles. Just saying ! Reliability Starlink vs. OpenEIR will be through the roof.

When a tree falls on a cable or fibre, the fibre or cable breaks and the link is gone. If the tree falls into a wireless link (or optical link in space), nothing happens, unless said fallen tree blocks it You see packet loss for few milliseconds. And I have yet to see trees in space.

To put above into a simple statement: the scalability of Starlink's irish footprint, once fully deployed and operational, is beyond OpenEirs fibre network in rural Ireland. It is not meant to compete with urban 5G deployments. For low to medium density areas, it's unbeatable though .. on scalability .. the price point is a different story. (both in cost to deploy and cost to subscribe)

I leave this picture here for prosperity:

Yes .. that's a phone pole behind the fallen tree. Yes, there was an overhead VDSL cable (or what Eir would have glorifiedly called "eFibre") from said pole to the building behind me, taking the picture. As I said .. WAS ! Time to fix: .. well ... it'll be a while.

Can you see the advantage with not having overhead lines ? Or a wireless or fast/quick satellite connection ? Especially in Ireland ? Do you know how many broken rural FTTH connections there's been this winter already ? Co. Cork has been a disaster this week .. to put it mildly, with entire exchanges being offline for multiple days.

/M

Point well made. I'd still take FTTH over Starlink any day though, even if it meant taking my chances with storm damage. Also if it got that bad chances are you'd be without electricity too!

Wanderer78 · 26-02-2021 11:14am

ted1 wrote: »

All island infrastructure is great when proper live in areas with high density. But if people choose to build on cheap land in low density , then the trade off is that they don’t get the infrastructure. The tax payer sound not be left picking up the tab to subsides their lifestyle choice.

...so to solve the problem, we use said tax payers money, contract a private sector business to provide the infrastructure, and at the end of it, said private sector business owns the infrastructure, say wha!

degsie · 26-02-2021 12:43pm

Jazus lads this is a Starlink thread.

26-02-2021 12:44pm

Can the I'm alright Jack anti NBP crowd PFO to some other thread!

Marlow · 26-02-2021 2:05pm

Orebro wrote: »

Point well made. I'd still take FTTH over Starlink any day though, even if it meant taking my chances with storm damage. Also if it got that bad chances are you'd be without electricity too!

Of course. If it's available, I'll take it, too. But I'm in a village with under 1000 houses, that is VDSL enabled, so I'm not going to get FTTH. And additionally, due to work requirements, Starlink will be a very welcome upgrade and backup.

As per my initial post:

Marlow wrote: »

This will not compete with the likes of FTTH, DSL and fixed wireless broadband on pricing. But it will give professionals who need a backup or a faster connection a seriously usable option and it will bring FTTH speeds to rural areas, that have nothing else. World wide !!

As I started out in the first place: Starlink will not replace FTTH nor really compete with it.

The "unreliability" of FTTH in Ireland is mostly down to it's implementation and the environment that we have here. Nothing wrong with the technology.

/M

Marlow · 26-02-2021 2:07pm

ted1 wrote: »

Do those homes in Dublin come under the broadband scheme?

Spending 10k to provide broadband to a one off housing , where the Presin who built it snd bought it knew that there was no broadband is madness. One off houses like that shouldn’t even have been allowed

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...so to solve the problem, we use said tax payers money, contract a private sector business to provide the infrastructure, and at the end of it, said private sector business owns the infrastructure, say wha!

AGAIN:

Marlow wrote: »

Yep.... this is not the NBP thread. This is about fast and quick satellite broadband.

Those who want to discuss the NBP, can go to the NBP thread, please.

/M

Romer · 26-02-2021 2:15pm

I have a co-worker in the States who was in on the Beta Testing. His professional technical opinion is that it's "F*cking awesome Dude."

I've been WFH before it was fashionable. Had FTTH whilst living in the arse end of Wexford so when I moved to a small town in KK I didn't really even consider it wouldn't be an option. No FTTH on my street. No foreseeable plan for it either. Currently on some wireless yoke that gives me 50MBPS at the best of times. The best of times is between 11:30 PM and 9:30 AM. Outside of that it's a crap shoot between 50MBPS and .02 MBPS.

Based on that, I'm signed up. Go Starlink!

Marlow · 26-02-2021 2:18pm

Romer wrote: »

I've been WFH before it was fashionable. Had FTTH whilst living in the arse end of Wexford so when I moved to a small town in KK I didn't really even consider it wouldn't be an option. No FTTH on my street.

Hah ... similarly to me. I moved from VDSL, to OpenEIR FTTH in the sticks, back into town and had symmetric gigabit (SIRO business plan) and then back out into a village with VDSL being the outmost, I can get and no path to be upgraded.

So yes ... Starlink will sort that issue.

/M

joe123 · 26-02-2021 2:20pm

Yeah honestly. If you want to debate it, at least try and read up a little on whats what. Not realising the NBI is covering premises within estates/towns/cities is one thing, but to believe rural folk have no utility costs is mad stuff. Group water schemes etc are all things in the country as much as cities believe it or not.

Its as if people believe everyone in the country is just randomly building houses whereever they want, ignoring the fact many of these houses came long before even dial up was a thing.

NBI also have stated there will be a small % of houses they will be unable to connect via Fibre but will look for alternative solutions. So its not as if they will be running cable up the sides of mountains to connect one single house.

On starlink, I'm not sure what the capacity for expansion/speed increases will be down the line, but we already know Fibre has ample opportunity for speeds >10 Gb.

Marlow you make a solid point in terms of Fibre being open to structural damage but our electrical supply is with the exact same risks. Storms etc will happen but for the most part you would be highly unlucky to see repeated damage in short time frames. My own brother has been on Fibre close to 2 years now and has only had one outage in that time, related to an electrical outage. Previous to this, he had terrible experiences with WISP and DSL.

Starlink while in its infancy will also likely encounter issues. They themselves have already said to expect complete outages at times. Correct me if im wrong but from some reading up on it, I believe these satellites have limited life spans too. Cant find the link on me now.

Space debris etc will all have an impact and I'll be interested to see how climate changes such as heavy rain and fog will affect it. We've already seen Ice/snow on the dish impacts it and the built in function to remove it didnt work great (albeit it was harsh conditions at the time)

Again I'm not anti-starlink, there is every chance I will sign up to cover the wait until FTTH which is looking like ~2025. And before anyone asks, I live in a town, in an estate not 20 minutes outside of a City.

Cordell · 26-02-2021 2:25pm

Starlink will not replace FTTH nor really compete with it.

Exactly. It's supposed to be the last option before going to the classic satellite internet.

Also, it's supposed to be a better option from latency point of view for applications like high frequency trading, where it should edge in front of transatlantic cables.

Marlow · 26-02-2021 2:26pm

joe123 wrote: »

Marlow you make a solid point in terms of Fibre being open to structural damage but our electrical supply is with the exact same risks.

I still have power, when the power goes ... because I have already taken care of that backup.

joe123 wrote: »

Starlink while in its infancy will also likely encounter issues. They themselves have already said to expect complete outages at times. Correct me if im wrong but from some reading up on it, I believe these satellites have limited life spans too.

Of course they have. And that's why they're continually are sending up more and replacing them on an ongoing basis. It's part of running that service.

joe123 wrote: »

Space debris etc will all have an impact and I'll be interested to see how climate changes such as heavy rain and fog will affect it.

That's already been tested extensively during the beta. Here is an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPrrx4pM-lY

And in regards to space debris etc. Those issues can be fixed with repositioning. And you should always have more than one satellite in view at optimum. It doesn't take as long to reposition a satellite than it takes to physically get an engineer out and resplice a fibre.

/M

joe123 · 26-02-2021 2:29pm

Marlow wrote: »

I still have power, when the power goes ... because I have already taken care of that backup.

Of course they have. And that's why they're continually are sending up more and replacing them on an ongoing basis. It's part of running that service.

That's already been tested extensively during the beta. Here is an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPrrx4pM-lY

And in regards to space debris etc. Those issues can be fixed with repositioning. And you should always have more than one satellite in view at optimum. It doesn't take as long to reposition a satellite than it takes to physically get an engineer out and resplice a fibre.

/M

Not the video I watched on it, this one had frozen snow on his dish that he was unable to melt, which caused the speeds to drop. He had to manually clear the dish.

EDIT: Fair play if you have a generator for electrical outages but at guess youd be in the less than 5% that would have a backup like that (excluding business'). Unless there is an expectation that everyone in the country should also have back up generators for those 2 / 3 times a year electrical faults.

Marlow · 26-02-2021 2:31pm

joe123 wrote: »

Not the video I watched on it, but he has frozen snow on his dish that he was unable to melt, which caused the speeds to drop. He had to manually clear the dish.

Yep. And that was the worst that happened. Not a bad outcome at all. And an easy fix to the issue.

/M

joe123 · 26-02-2021 2:40pm

Marlow wrote: »

Yep. And that was the worst that happened. Not a bad outcome at all. And an easy fix to the issue.

/M

True, but at the same time if I have a dish on my roof, I don't want to have to get on a ladder every time to try and remove ice. Anyways doubt we would even see extreme issues like that here.

Id be more curious to see how it fairs against heavy rain / fog. I also wonder would things like birds sitting on the dish have any impact?

As I'm out of contract soon on my current provider I'll likely have to renew with them for the time being so Im going to hold off on pre-ordering. By this time next year we should have a much better idea of how Starlink runs here in Ireland.

The Continental Op · 26-02-2021 2:42pm

joe123 wrote: »

True, but at the same time if I have a dish on my roof, I don't want to have to get on a ladder every time to try and remove ice. Anyways doubt we would even see extreme issues like that here.

Id be more curious to see how it fairs against heavy rain / fog. I also wonder would things like birds sitting on the dish have any impact?

As I'm out of contract soon on my current provider I'll likely have to renew with them for the time being so Im going to hold off on pre-ordering. By this time next year we should have a much better idea of how Starlink runs here in Ireland.

By that time it could be oversubscribed?

Marlow · 26-02-2021 2:50pm

The Continental Op wrote: »

By that time it could be oversubscribed?

They are limiting the amount of subscriptions based on capacity per geographical area.

Also oversubscribing Starlink will be less likely than oversubscribing FTTH. Scaling Starlink is a lot easier than scaling FTTH. Well .. sort of.

/M

The Continental Op · 26-02-2021 2:54pm

Marlow wrote: »

They are limiting the amount of subscriptions based on capacity per geographical area.

Also oversubscribing StarLink will be less likely than oversubscribing FTTH.

/M

Then it could become oversubscribed in a geographical area, if you are in an area where it is a good option then its likely you aren't the only one

The "sign up" is a bit weird though. If I use a general area address which the postman would cop on to and deliver then I can sign up but if I use my actual address or a Plus code then I can't.

Starlink now open for pre-orders.

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