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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #1262
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    How is Offaly so high again, meat plant?

    Yeah probably. Would be heading for another LOKdown if we weren't all in lockdown.

    https://twitter.com/RavelledSleave/status/1364506571112386562?s=20


  • #1263
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Bloody meat plants. Would not the government afford sick pay for those exploited workers?

    They're throwing money at businesses and paying the payroll. Disgrace.


  • #1264
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    How is Offaly so high again, meat plant?

    HSE said nothing iin particular:

    The HSE has responded to a Tullamore Tribune query over the startling rise in Covid-19 cases in Offaly over the last two weeks.

    A further 22 cases were confirmed in the county on Tuesday evening, bringing the total over the last two-week period to 344 cases. This gives Offaly the highest 14-day incidence rate in the country, standing at 441.2 per 100,000 population, almost double the national average of 240.4.

    Responding to the figures and Offaly's precarious position with the virus, Dr. Una Fallon, Director of Public Health HSE, Midlands, said: "While Offaly currently has the highest rate of COVID in comparison to other counties, there is no reason to be alarmed.

    "Offaly is not a densely populated county so a small rise in the actual number of COVID cases, looks like a significant rise in COVID rates.

    "Cases are occurring in a wide range of settings such as workplaces, residential care facilities etc, all of which we are familiar with. No one setting explains the current numbers.


  • #1265
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Bloody meat plants. Would not the government afford sick pay for those exploited workers?

    They're throwing money at businesses and paying the payroll. Disgrace.

    Do they not have Covid Illness benefit of 350 a week for this very purpose? Sick pay while you are isolating.


  • #1266
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    D.Q wrote: »
    Seems genuinely sinister. Would be grand if they were just fringe loons but they're given such a platform by the media its quite concerning

    they're such a permanent fixture on the claire byrne show they're on the verge of being furniture. the press are running a campaign of hysteria at this point


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  • #1267
    igCorcaigh
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Do they not have Covid Illness benefit of 350 a week for this very purpose? Sick pay while you are isolating.

    Sick pay is at the company's discretion I had thought, including isolating? Please prove me wrong, because it's awful if true.

    Does anyone here know?


  • #1268
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    This is looking like another car crash. Looks like we were a bit too late with the mandatory quarantine.
    Greg Ennis, Siptu’s manufacturing division organiser, said between 60 per cent and 70 per cent of meat plant workers were migrants, with a “significant number” of those being from Brazil and South Africa.
    “We know that workers tend to save up their leave during the year and travel home to Brazil, for example, at Christmas. It’s quite common, and that happened this year,” Mr Ennis said.

    https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1363543012702261248?s=20


  • #1269
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah probably. Would be heading for another LOKdown if we weren't all in lockdown.

    https://twitter.com/RavelledSleave/status/1364506571112386562?s=20

    Offaly also has this place.....
    Significant Covid-19 outbreak confirmed at Offaly workplace

    A significant outbreak of Covid-19 cases has been confirmed at the Nelipak Healthcare Packaging plant in Clara.

    It's understood up to 20 members of staff at the plant have tested positive in the last two weeks, with other cases confirmed among close contacts of workers.

    This news comes as Offaly has the highest 14-day incidence rate of the virus in the country with cases clustered in the Tullamore Municipal District, which takes in the town of Clara, according to Department of Health data.


  • #1270
    igCorcaigh
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    This is looking like another car crash. Looks like we were a bit too late with the mandatory quarantine.



    https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1363543012702261248?s=20

    Shocking news :/

    Do you know CE if people in isolation in meat plants get sick pay from the government?

    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Sick pay is at the company's discretion I had thought, including isolating? Please prove me wrong, because it's awful if true.

    Does anyone here know?


  • #1271
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Shocking news :/

    Do you know CE if people in isolation in meat plants get sick pay from the government?

    I think they do but again they are effectively incentivised to carry on. I've no idea what's going on but if we see large numbers of Brazil variant and or meat plant closures then it won't be long in spreading to rest of community just like in August last year.
    Sick pay
    Mr Ennis said that unless statutory occupational sick pay was introduced sooner rather than later, outbreaks in meat plants would continue and variants could spread.

    “The workers who are earning €500 a week or less, if they have symptoms of Covid or they’re confirmed with Covid then they’re on a €350 per week payment. That’s €150 less than they would get compared to if they were working, which is a huge amount of money. It’s almost a third of their income [that] would disappear.

    “We would know anecdotally of workers who have symptoms who go to work because they can’t afford not to. It’s the difference between putting food on the table or not.”


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  • #1272
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    We should only be letting vaccinated people into the country.

    The average salary in Brazil is about €7500 a year. Does anyone genuinely think a Brazilian "student" with a negative PCR test and a year to make as much money as he can in Ireland to take home is going to spend 2 of those 52 weeks in quarantine?

    In that two weeks, at minimum wage, they would make €800, almost a third again of what they would expect to make at home in a month.

    If they're paying €100 a week (to live in a room with three other people), that's a thousand euro down, right away. One in about every twenty euro they'd be expecting to make here. You can't blame these people. Their exploitation and misery here sets their family up for life at home. But you can stop them.


  • #1273
    igCorcaigh
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    b0nk1e wrote: »
    We should only be letting vaccinated people into the country.

    The average salary in Brazil is about €7500 a year. Does anyone genuinely think a Brazilian "student" with a negative PCR test and a year to make as much money as he can in Ireland to take home is going to spend 2 of those 52 weeks in quarantine?

    In that two weeks, at minimum wage, they would make €800, almost a third again of what they would expect to make at home in a month.

    If they're paying €100 a week (to live in a room with three other people), that's a thousand euro down, right away. One in about every twenty euro they'd be expecting to make here. You can't blame these people. Their exploitation and misery here sets their family up for life at home. But you can stop them.

    Stop them from doing what?


  • #1274
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Arghus wrote: »
    Good briefing. Ronan Glynn was very good - matter of fact, but not dogmatic.

    That journo from the Independent is a pain the arse though. Every time she's there she's passive aggressively looking for a "gotcha" moment. Her repetitive questions about why they couldn't provide a precise date for herd immunity were infuriating.

    Unintentional comedy gold from George Lee at the end - butting in when they were about to head off and asking more panicked versions of the exact same questions another journalist had asked earlier.

    Was thinking the exact same about the journalist from the independent. Some of the questions were just silly and when Glynn basically couldn't answer she reworded it and tried again. The tipping point was can you give a time for herd immunity, looking for fine details. How they deal with that sort of journalist is beyond me, some amount of patience


  • #1275
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    By the sounds of things the govt will wait until herd immunity to fully ease restrictions which could be November/december

    Surely the country has to return to normal before then especially if the rates per 100,000 continue to drop


  • #1276
    igCorcaigh
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Was thinking the exact same about the journalist from the independent. Some of the questions were just silly and when Glynn basically couldn't answer she reworded it and tried again. The tipping point was can you give a time for herd immunity, looking for fine details. How they deal with that sort of journalist is beyond me, some amount of patience

    Yeah exactly. Herd immunity is such a dynamic concept, but give me a date, etc.

    They have to be so careful with each word they say, because you know what gutter journalists do.


  • #1277
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Was thinking the exact same about the journalist from the independent. Some of the questions were just silly and when Glynn basically couldn't answer she reworded it and tried again. The tipping point was can you give a time for herd immunity, looking for fine details. How they deal with that sort of journalist is beyond me, some amount of patience

    I missed the briefing. You mentioned they clarified the comments in the letter?


  • #1278
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    D.Q wrote: »
    I missed the briefing. You mentioned they clarified the comments in the letter?

    Yeah Glynn basically said the data on vaccine impact is new, they wouldn't have had it when the letter was written. Beginning to see the impact here now as well & that he was optimistic going forward.


  • #1279
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    Anyone else just feeling very bloody bleak about it all? I was okay for previous lockdowns but I'm struggling badly with this one.

    I've done the right stuff and reached out to my GP (who's as useful as a chocolate tea pot and has refused to see a single patient since the pandemic started, but will happily take your 60 euro for a 2 minute phone call), been told I could be waiting over a year for counselling because of waiting lists, can't currently afford private treatment thanks to my hours being massively cut because I work hospitality.

    Not able to go for a walk with a friend because the relative I live with is so terrified from RTE headlines that I'll be kicked out, I'm already questioned about where I am if I take five minutes extra to get food shopping - and I'm their caregiver so moving out at the moment isn't an option.


    So there's feck all else really I can do. A person close to me is so fecked they've been sectioned. A few took their own lives over the past year.


    I've had many, many relatives with covid (because they work in hospitals, it was inevitable), the I've had one die from covid, but fcuk me, the impact upon the mental health of my friends, family and I is much, much worse than the impact of covid itself from what I've seen.

    People killed themselves before covid as well. You can't blame every suicide on covid. I see people who are blaming every suicide on covid just because they are completely against any type of restrictions and pushing mental health and they'll be back telling people to man up after this is over.

    I knew someone who killed themselves a couple of months ago, people immediately were posting on Facebook blaming covid for it without knowing a clue about what happened. I have since seen his sister and she said he lost everything with a gambling problem and his marriage failed as result but sure people will still say it was covid to suit their agenda. No doubt people have taken their lives due to current situation but not everything is because of covid.


  • #1280
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,279 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Was thinking the exact same about the journalist from the independent. Some of the questions were just silly and when Glynn basically couldn't answer she reworded it and tried again. The tipping point was can you give a time for herd immunity, looking for fine details. How they deal with that sort of journalist is beyond me, some amount of patience

    Her questions are cringeworthy..trying to get a headline out of it is right .

    He handled it very well .

    Very good briefing with a lot of positivity , and good quality information .

    Edit to say , I think George Lee may have missed the earlier discussion on the variants as he was on Six One as well , so maybe that explains his late arrival to the party .


  • #1281
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yeah Glynn basically said the data on vaccine impact is new, they wouldn't have had it when the letter was written. Beginning to see the impact here now as well & that he was optimistic going forward.

    Cheers. Glad to see that. Some of the phrases from that letter had me in a bit of a negative spin earlier.


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  • #1282
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yeah Glynn basically said the data on vaccine impact is new, they wouldn't have had it when the letter was written. Beginning to see the impact here now as well & that he was optimistic going forward.

    gladdens my soul


  • #1283
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Her questions are cringeworthy..trying to get a headline out of it is right .

    He handled it very well .

    Very good briefing with a lot of positivity , and good quality information .

    Glynn has conducted himself very well though out this.Likeable, professional and honest. I think most people trust him which can't be said for many


  • #1284
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,312 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Was thinking the exact same about the journalist from the independent. Some of the questions were just silly and when Glynn basically couldn't answer she reworded it and tried again. The tipping point was can you give a time for herd immunity, looking for fine details. How they deal with that sort of journalist is beyond me, some amount of patience

    She's a regular in there over the last few months and she's always asking leading or unanswerable questions. It feels deliberate - looking for that juicy quote or a contradictory word. And her tone is always passive aggressive and vaguely snotty.

    Her line of questioning was unreasonable earlier and yet she kept at it and at it. Glynn showed incredible patience.


  • #1285
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Martin was the first I heard refer to a new virus, followed by that clown Ryan.

    If it’s a new virus it would be Covid 21, don’t hear that being mentioned anywhere!


  • #1286
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭celt262


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    If it’s a new virus it would be Covid 21, don’t hear that being mentioned anywhere!

    Have we skipped Covid 20?


  • #1287
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    People killed themselves before covid as well. You can't blame every suicide on covid. I see people who are blaming every suicide on covid just because they are completely against any type of restrictions and pushing mental health and they'll be back telling people to man up after this is over.

    I knew someone who killed themselves a couple of months ago, people immediately were posting on Facebook blaming covid for it without knowing a clue about what happened. I have since seen his sister and she said he lost everything with a gambling problem and his marriage failed as result but sure people will still say it was covid to suit their agenda. No doubt people have taken their lives due to current situation but not everything is because of covid.

    On a wider point this stuff this really grinds my gears. There's guidelines to follow when talking about and reporting on suicide. Yet in social media many inconsiderate assholes are sharing stuff about suicides, justifying the fcking thing with covid and sharing way too much details. This is a complete no no.

    Please if you're reading this don't do it. Mental Health issues when discussed badly or portrayed in a media, including literature, without due consideration leads to a growth in clusters of that health issue. Infamous examples being 13 Reasons Why.


  • #1288
    Rezident
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭Rezident


    It's too late for a lockdown like this, it should have happened a year ago before the virus got in to Ireland and infected so many people. About a third of people are ignoring this too-little-too-late lockdown, it's human nature.


  • #1289
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    celt262 wrote: »
    Have we skipped Covid 20?

    Well looky-here. We got someone who's forgotten how the number is arrived at. Quick, lets all pile on before they realise their mistake and edit the post.


  • #1290
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    Sick of hearing about variants, the UK variant was first found in September. Does any other country go on about them like Ireland? Its the most obvious scare tactic so far.


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  • #1291
    Goldengirl
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    Glynn has conducted himself very well though out this.Likeable, professional and honest. I think most people trust him which can't be said for many

    Yes, he has it under control and has more confidence now than say , last Autumn .

    It is a major part of their job now , where it was not really ever before , speaking to the nation, a few nights a week , and ensuring that the right message is taken and disseminated by the press , and not sensationalist headlines .

    I suppose like anything else , they have learned from experience.


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