Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

TomTomTim · 25-02-2021 05:14PM

The fact that they needed a survey to prove the obvious is very telling.

Life satisfaction levels are at the lowest levels ever due to Covid-19 pandemic, CSO survey says

RGS · 25-02-2021 05:20PM

This line from the article is interesting:

The team also warned again of the higher risk associated with certain activities including “dining, drinking, EXERCISING, singing or shouting”.

We can accept crowded indoor places can be vectors of transmission but to suggest exercising is a high risk activity is crazy.

Hubertj · 25-02-2021 05:43PM

RGS wrote: »

This line from the article is interesting:

The team also warned again of the higher risk associated with certain activities including “dining, drinking, EXERCISING, singing or shouting”.

We can accept crowded indoor places can be vectors of transmission but to suggest exercising is a high risk activity is crazy.

I believe they have overstepped the mark with this document. Some of it seems to suggest Irish society needs reform. What’s is also interesting is that NPHET members are some of the same people responsible for the mismanagement of the health service over the last 30 years. They are effectively blaming themselves for failings.
Throwing more money at the HSE is only part of a solution.

emeldc · 25-02-2021 05:47PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Haha thanks..... what’s funny is NPHET’s own comment “Covid-19 will remain in circulation for years to come” is an acknowledgement that the current approach isn’t working!

I don't see anything wrong with that comment. Do you think the virus will be eradicated because of the vaccine.

timmyntc · 25-02-2021 05:50PM

emeldc wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with that comment. Do you think the virus will be eradicated because of the vaccine.

It's a reasonable assumption, however it is a good example of why zero-covid cannot work.

bluelamp · 25-02-2021 05:50PM

Archeron wrote: »

Good Lord, even Ciara Kelly seemed to be turning against the muppetry on Newstalk this morning when she began to question the erosion of our human rights.

I'd imagine Ciara Kelly was carefully toeing the line with newstalk a little while still being as critical as she could get away with - she probably feels she can get away with a bit more now with the shift in public opinion.

She has always been very critical of the current approach on her Instagram etc.

dalyboy · 25-02-2021 05:51PM

emeldc wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with that comment. Do you think the virus will be eradicated because of the vaccine.

I don’t think it’ll be eradicated any more than the same as don’t believe that the flu or common cold will or has ever been eradicated.

It’d just be looney land to base this lack of eradication on locking down an entire country indefinitely though.

landofthetree · 25-02-2021 05:52PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

We're ****ed because NPHET will never recommend lifting of the restrictions and our cowards in the dail going with it

Luckily we won't be able to borrow at cheap rates if we are in lockdown and the rest of Europe is open.

bettyoleary · 25-02-2021 05:53PM

themacattack. wrote: »

people wont stand for it...everyones an inch away from being done with restrictions...we have done our bit and the government and nphet have failed to come up with an alternative solution to lockdowns...most peole i know and people i dont know but meet through work are saying open things up and accept a level of risk...other diseases kill people too but we dont close our economy and hide under the bed to try and deal with them and minimise risk...

Mod: Month's forum ban for yet another breach of your threadban

_Kaiser_ · 25-02-2021 05:59PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

No chance.

They have set this up from the start to cover each other's arses.

NPHET can say their only role is to advise.

Govt. can claim they felt they had to follow the advice.

They are experts in avoiding any responsibility. It is depressing to see what the Irish political landscape has become. I personally will never vote for FG or FF again in my life, the opposition are actually worse so I will have to go for Independents and most of these are fcuking useless too - we are a banana-republic.

When this is all over and we look back on it I firmly believe the conclusion will be that we completely overreacted after the initial few months to a virus that really wasn't that harmful to the overwheming majority of our population but a lot more damaging to the social and economic fabric of the country.

Before that of course will comes the scandals and investigations into the shedloads of "free" money that has been handed out with little to no real oversight in the last year, the waste and questionable decisions, the inevitable tribunal that does nothing but cost the taxpayer still MORE money, and all among years of painful recovery from the Recession that was already looming but will likely now be much worse having only temporarily suspended it but made the underlying ecoomy much more fragile in the meantime

Ultimately we will look back at the 5000 or so deaths (which I predicted that this will top out at a while ago) and lament each as the genuine loss they are, but also face the harsh reality of asking whether severely restricting the other 4.9 million people from working, socialising, and living was the right decision in the face of the financial challenges, societal and mental health issues that we will still be dealing with for a lot longer.

Hopefully though we also learn from the dangers of a weak unaccountable political class, compliant one-sided news media, and the damage and toxicity of unrestricted social media platforms - though I won't hold my breath on any of these!

Reeling in the Years 2020/21 will be interesting viewing!

CruelSummer · 25-02-2021 06:03PM

Not sure if this was shared earlier - more e-mail screenshots from ISAG on who their friends and enemies in the media are, and championing Róisín Shortall as basically their 'spokesperson'. Our opposition parties have been such a disappointment during this crisis.
It's quite disturbing no mainstream media outlet is reporting on this - why cover up this information? Gript is not an organisation where I would normally read news - but they have the evidence. ISAG members have not been questioned at all this week on any show they've appeared on despite continuing multiple media appearances.

https://gript.ie/zeroleaks-on-their-media-friends-matt-cooper-tries-to-look-impartial/

dalyboy · 25-02-2021 06:09PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

When this is all over and we look back on it I firmly believe the conclusion will be that we completely overreacted after the initial few months to a virus that really wasn't that harmful to the overwheming majority of our population but a lot more damaging to the social and economic fabric of the country.

Before that of course will comes the scandals and investigations into the shedloads of "free" money that has been handed out with little to no real oversight in the last year, the waste and questionable decisions, the inevitable tribunal that does nothing but cost the taxpayer still MORE money, and all among years of painful recovery from the Recession that was already looming but will likely now be much worse having only temporarily suspended it but made the underlying ecoomy much more fragile in the meantime

Ultimately we will look back at the 5000 or so deaths (which I predicted that this will top out at a while ago) and lament each as the genuine loss they are, but also face the harsh reality of asking whether severely restricting the other 4.9 million people from working, socialising, and living was the right decision in the face of the financial challenges, societal and mental health issues that we will still be dealing with for a lot longer.

Hopefully though we also learn from the dangers of a weak unaccountable political class, compliant one-sided news media, and the damage and toxicity of unrestricted social media platforms - though I won't hold my breath on any of these!

Reeling in the Years 2020/21 will be interesting viewing!

I’ll be watching reeling in the years from elsewhere.

I’ve already started brushing up on french language lessons and started German last month.
I’ll be damned if I or my kids pay for mistakes made by these clowns.

Silentcorner · 25-02-2021 06:11PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

When this is all over and we look back on it I firmly believe the conclusion will be that we completely overreacted after the initial few months to a virus that really wasn't that harmful to the overwheming majority of our population but a lot more damaging to the social and economic fabric of the country.

Before that of course will comes the scandals and investigations into the shedloads of "free" money that has been handed out with little to no real oversight in the last year, the waste and questionable decisions, the inevitable tribunal that does nothing but cost the taxpayer still MORE money, and all among years of painful recovery from the Recession that was already looming but will likely now be much worse having only temporarily suspended it but made the underlying ecoomy much more fragile in the meantime

Ultimately we will look back at the 5000 or so deaths (which I predicted that this will top out at a while ago) and lament each as the genuine loss they are, but also face the harsh reality of asking whether severely restricting the other 4.9 million people from working, socialising, and living was the right decision in the face of the financial challenges, societal and mental health issues that we will still be dealing with for a lot longer.

Hopefully though we also learn from the dangers of a weak unaccountable political class, compliant one-sided news media, and the damage and toxicity of unrestricted social media platforms - though I won't hold my breath on any of these!

Reeling in the Years 2020/21 will be interesting viewing!

Eh, I agree completely, but just so you know, that is considered a conspiracy theory around here.

History will not be kind to the people who have been in charge of this fiasco.

I hope it will open people's eyes to just how manipulative the media are, and have been for some time.

And, question every word you hear from an "expert" on the media outlets with that have proven themselves to be untrustworthy...

Because there will be another crisis around the corner!

themacattack. · 25-02-2021 06:17PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

But who is listening to you really, or the people from work. Id say not many. We are staying with restrictions until the community transmission drops very low and the vaccine is being administered at full speed. Nothing got to do with Govt its the scientists and people with brains that will deal with the pandemic im afraid. Not you or your work friends.

im not looking for a change of government policy based on the opinion of me and my workmates....im just saying that if you take a representive sample of a couple of hundred people in my circle the general mood is lockdown is not a solution and people are angry and frusturated ...it has everything to do with the government who are meant to take advice from the scientists and "people with brains" and get the balance right between the economy and covid which they are making a complete balls of in my opinion

d161 · 25-02-2021 06:18PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

When this is all over and we look back on it I firmly believe the conclusion will be that we completely overreacted after the initial few months to a virus that really wasn't that harmful to the overwheming majority of our population but a lot more damaging to the social and economic fabric of the country.

Before that of course will comes the scandals and investigations into the shedloads of "free" money that has been handed out with little to no real oversight in the last year, the waste and questionable decisions, the inevitable tribunal that does nothing but cost the taxpayer still MORE money, and all among years of painful recovery from the Recession that was already looming but will likely now be much worse having only temporarily suspended it but made the underlying ecoomy much more fragile in the meantime

Ultimately we will look back at the 5000 or so deaths (which I predicted that this will top out at a while ago) and lament each as the genuine loss they are, but also face the harsh reality of asking whether severely restricting the other 4.9 million people from working, socialising, and living was the right decision in the face of the financial challenges, societal and mental health issues that we will still be dealing with for a lot longer.

Hopefully though we also learn from the dangers of a weak unaccountable political class, compliant one-sided news media, and the damage and toxicity of unrestricted social media platforms - though I won't hold my breath on any of these!

Reeling in the Years 2020/21 will be interesting viewing!

Fantastic post, particularly what you said regarding the media. I had stopped watching RTE and I subscribed to Spotify purely so that I wouldn't have to listen to Irish radio stations whilst driving. Today I had to use my wife's car which I can't stream to it so I had the radio on. I was amazed at the amount of public health announcements/ propaganda from "The government of Ireland" on Covid.
I tried to change the station but each station I went to had a similar message all seemingly synchronized. All getting paid by "the Irish Government".
It's hardly surprising that the Irish population support the government. They must be terrified and suffering PSTD. I assume the TV is just as bad.

Leftwaffe · 25-02-2021 06:18PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Eh, I agree completely, but just so you know, that is considered a conspiracy theory around here.

History will not be kind to the people who have been in charge of this fiasco.

I hope it will open people's eyes to just how manipulative the media are, and have been for some time.

And, question every word you hear from an "expert" on the media outlets with that have proven themselves to be untrustworthy...

Because there will be another crisis around the corner!

The media have been disgusting in all this. RTE is a cesspit.

Boggles · 25-02-2021 06:20PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Not sure if this was shared earlier - more e-mail screenshots from ISAG on who their friends and enemies in the media are, and championing Róisín Shortall as basically their 'spokesperson'. Our opposition parties have been such a disappointment during this crisis.
It's quite disturbing no mainstream media outlet is reporting on this - why cover up this information? Gript is not an organisation where I would normally read news - but they have the evidence. ISAG members have not been questioned at all this week on any show they've appeared on despite continuing multiple media appearances.

https://gript.ie/zeroleaks-on-their-media-friends-matt-cooper-tries-to-look-impartial/

When you say main stream media I assume you mean journalists and not some right wing loons blog?

There is a reason you don't normally read Gript. That reason shouldn't change on the back of that "evidence".

25-02-2021 06:23PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

But who is listening to you really, or the people from work. Id say not many. We are staying with restrictions until the community transmission drops very low and the vaccine is being administered at full speed. Nothing got to do with Govt its the scientists and people with brains that will deal with the pandemic im afraid. Not you or your work friends.

I fear that you are right in realising that the response has been incredibly one-track and narrow-minded, relying on people from only one area of expertise to make decisions that fail completely and spectacularly to account for any of the "crises" that already existed in Ireland, much less the ones currently being stored up.

Good observation.

d161 · 25-02-2021 06:25PM

Boggles wrote: »

When you say main stream media I assume you mean journalists and not some right wing loons blog?

There is a reason you don't normally read Gript. That reason shouldn't change on the back of that "evidence".

I have never heard of Gript before this and I agree with you that this is probably nonsense.

However, I believe there has been no balance from the media. I suspect they have been encouraged to get behind and support the government without question.

In the absence of any debate the vacuum will be filled.

25-02-2021 06:26PM

Boggles wrote: »

When you say main stream media I assume you mean journalists and not some right wing loons blog?

There is a reason you don't normally read Gript. That reason shouldn't change on the back of that "evidence".

We're all well familiar with your aversion to minds being changed by evidence, Bog.

CruelSummer · 25-02-2021 06:26PM

Boggles wrote: »

When you say main stream media I assume you mean journalists and not some right wing loons blog?

There is a reason you don't normally read Gript. That reason shouldn't change on the back of that "evidence".

I should also add they’ve added in Gabriel Scally’s email in which he gave members of ISAG the handbook on how to manipulate, ridicule, isolate, sow doubt and fear, etc.

https://twitter.com/g_l_kavanagh/status/1364920476959703041?s=21

You can say what you want about gript, that’s just deflection from the bigger and much more serious issue to hand. Surely you cannot support being misled by a group of scientists to further an agenda at a time of serious crisis in this country.

CruelSummer · 25-02-2021 06:27PM

d161 wrote: »

I have never heard of Gript before this and I agree with you that this is probably nonsense.

However, I believe there has been no balance from the media. I suspect they have been encouraged to get behind and support the government without question.

In the absence of any debate the vacuum will be filled.

So are screenshots of their emails and internal conversations ‘nonsense’?

25-02-2021 06:27PM

d161 wrote: »

I have never heard of Gript before this and I agree with you that this is probably nonsense.

Do you think the screenshots are fake? On what basis do you end up with the balance of probability leaning toward it being nonsense?

Frozen Veg · 25-02-2021 06:29PM

In the land of common sense, construction should never had stopped.

Secondly, it would make more sense to get construction back before schools. It's a safer environment than packing 20-30 kids into a classroom and more critical to the long term future of the economy.

In addition the fact that we are in the midst of a housing crisis.

_Kaiser_ · 25-02-2021 06:33PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So are screenshots of their emails and internal conversations ‘nonsense’?

Seems very similar to the situation that led to the coining of the term "Leo the Leak" recently

Those screenshots were originally posted on a site not many probably knew of either, but it didn't make them any less legitimate or damaging.

Like that story, this will bubble for a day or two, and if it gets to one of the main sites then we'll see what happens.

Boggles · 25-02-2021 06:57PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

You can say what you want about gript, that’s just deflection from the bigger and much more serious issue to hand. Surely you cannot support being misled by a group of scientists to further an agenda at a time of serious crisis in this country.

Why would you think I would listen to anyone of them?

Also

The revelation comes from a trove of hundreds of emails, draft documents, and ISAG internal communications that were recently leaked to Gript

I see a picture of a lad and some unreadable text in a very strange format for an email.

Evidence, trove.

Nope.

.

Coillte_Bhoy · 25-02-2021 07:00PM

Boggles wrote: »

Why would you think I would listen to anyone of them?

Also

I see a picture of a lad and some unreadable text in a very strange format for an email.

Evidence, trove.

Nope.

.

Seem to have been edited, e mails were very readable a couple of days ago, oh and i hold no torch for gript or their like

normanoffside · 25-02-2021 07:12PM

NPHET briefing and they have called the variant 'new virus' about 10 times already.
This New virus thing seems to be the new buzz word to keep people afraid.

25-02-2021 07:27PM

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET briefing and they have called the variant 'new virus' about 10 times already.
This New virus thing seems to be the new buzz word to keep people afraid.

It's also outright brazen lying to the Irish people.

Whatsisname · 25-02-2021 07:38PM

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET briefing and they have called the variant 'new virus' about 10 times already.
This New virus thing seems to be the new buzz word to keep people afraid.

That’s incredibly irresponsible and they know exactly what they’re doing with that terminology.

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