Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

ThewhiteJesus · 23-02-2021 2:46pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s exactly what I was wondering. Under covid I can see why we would limit just-drinking and nobody seems to se a problem with nightclubs being closed for that reason.

But after covid, the market should dictate the type of pubs. I suspect the market for pure drinking pubs was moving towards gastropubs, but I wouldn’t support getting rid of drink only pubs.

god i hope you're wrong, i'm an older chap who isn't interested in tarting up going to a gastro pub, i want a spit and sawdust type place with real people having a real chat with a barman that knows your name.
Small, dark and dreary the old fashioned irish way !

El_Duderino 09 · 23-02-2021 2:48pm

dominatinMC wrote: »

I think the fact that this is even being considered/debated is symptomatic of the cancel cuture prevalent at present. "I don't like/agree with traditonal pubs, so they should all be forced to serve food". Thankfully that vocal minority will still be sitting in their bedrooms in a few months typing soliloquies on Boards/Twitter whilst the rest of us are out enjoying ourselves.

Ah, some people always think like that. They rephrase the question "should people be permitted to do x?" as "do I personally want to do X?". Nothing to worry about . I don't think its being considered or debated at all. I think a handful of people have suggested it and been shot down. Not much of a debate happening.

ShyMets · 23-02-2021 2:49pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It slows the absorption of the addictive toxin.

And a full stomach slows the amount you can drink.

So once you're eating a bit food its ok to ingest an addictive toxin. Grand.

But heaven forbid you have a couple of pints on there own

I suspect come late August/September you're going to be disappointed

dominatinMC · 23-02-2021 2:53pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah, some people always think like that. They rephrase the question "should people be permitted to do x?" as "do I personally want to do X?". Nothing to worry about . I don't think its being considered or debated at all. I think a handful of people have suggested it and been shot down. Not much of a debate happening.

Oh I know. For one thing the demand will still be there for regular pubs - think post match pints, stags, weekend late nights (to name a few), people don't want big meals when they are out to socialise in such capacities.
I just think it's hilarious that posters are coming on here with an obvious agenda and an even more obvious disdain for pub culture, and offering their views as fact. I guess that news during week of reforming the licencing hours, extended opening times, etc. must have thrown them over the edge :pac:

doublejobbing 2 · 23-02-2021 3:03pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It slows the absorption of the addictive toxin.

And a full stomach slows the amount you can drink.

Which is why I cook something a half hour before I start getting ready, or grab a chipper/ McD's if I'm on the run.

I don't like having a sip of beer 20 seconds after eating food and am proud to say I didn't eat a morsel in a pub during summer/ autumn (would either not touch it if I was on my first pub or would have her bagged up if I was on my last one. Or preferable to all of that would occasionally find a pub that either didn't insist or served me the cheapest item available like a 4 quid soup, which I also didn't touch)

Irish law regarding pubs in 2020 became quite literally a sketch from the Inbetweeners sending up a bizarre facet of English alcohol laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l0zGihopKc

El_Duderino 09 · 23-02-2021 3:11pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

god i hope you're wrong, i'm an older chap who isn't interested in tarting up going to a gastro pub, i want a spit and sawdust type place with real people having a real chat with a barman that knows your name.
Small, dark and dreary the old fashioned irish way !

Ah yeah but people go a bit far to play up the darkness and dreariness of these pubs and then wonder why other people get a bad impression of them. Spit and sawdust is an evocative image but i don't think it's a particularly sensible thing to wish for.

Likewise i think people often describe the conversations in pubs as "talking sh1te". They call it sh1te and then try to convince other people it's important. That's a strange way to on.

And FWIW, my favourite pub in the world is in my home village (the only pub in the village). It is dark, dingy, small crowd where the barman has plenty of time to talk to the customers, toilets are smelly and not very clean. I think those things could all be improved and it would give it a better chance of surviving. I don't think it's objectively a good pub but it's got the people from the village and that's why i like it.

fin12 · 23-02-2021 4:29pm

UI_Paddy wrote: »

Indeed these pubs were real, always packed in the city centre, especially in the evening and at weekends. They were a part of what was Dublin in the rare Auld Times.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O3zHE4o2qVg

Pintman Paddy Losty · 24-02-2021 4:37pm

I've been told they are looking to some of the liquor licensing laws in other jurisdictions that require the establishment to serve food.

The new laws won't mandate that you have to have a substantial meal with your drink, but the establishment will have to serve food.

dominatinMC · 24-02-2021 4:49pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I've been told they are looking to some of the liquor licensing laws in other jurisdictions that require the establishment to serve food.

The new laws won't mandate that you have to have a substantial meal with your drink, but the establishment will have to serve food.

Give it up Paddy boy

:D:D

Dickie10 · 24-02-2021 4:49pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It slows the absorption of the addictive toxin.

And a full stomach slows the amount you can drink.

NO,thats terrible health advice, worst thing you can do is eat a heavy meal after 8-9pm. why on earth would you want nightclubs serving food?! theres a thing called a chipper /kebab shop for that! nobody is forced down on a table and poured alcohol down their neck, its a thing called living in a free ,democratic country. sure fags are still being sold there worse for you.

hynesie08 · 24-02-2021 4:57pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I've been told they are looking to some of the liquor licensing laws in other jurisdictions that require the establishment to serve food.

The new laws won't mandate that you have to have a substantial meal with your drink, but the establishment will have to serve food.

"Give us 4 guinness, 2 Heineken, 3 g&ts, 1 with slimline and a vodka coke there Johnny"

"we need to serve food Andy"

"alright so......... Packet of peanuts for the table"

ShyMets · 24-02-2021 5:01pm

dominatinMC wrote: »

Give it up Paddy boy :D:D

In a strange way I admire his persistence

hynesie08 · 24-02-2021 5:06pm

The vhi can get their reputation back by giving one of these to every pub.

https://m.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/9305380/Trail/searchtext%3ESandwich+toaster.htm

Mrs OBumble · 24-02-2021 5:53pm

Dickie10 wrote: »

NO,thats terrible health advice, worst thing you can do is eat a heavy meal after 8-9pm. why on earth would you want nightclubs serving food?! theres a thing called a chipper /kebab shop for that! nobody is forced down on a table and poured alcohol down their neck, its a thing called living in a free ,democratic country. sure fags are still being sold there worse for you.

I never said anything about a heavy meal.

And I won't be disappointed if I'm wrong, either:
I like a couple of quiet wines late in the evening myself. (And I can stop at one or two as desired.)

But we were asked for predictions, I've made mine.

Drifter50 · 24-02-2021 7:12pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

We absolutely need hospitality venues which employ people, and provide a range of leisure options. These options likely include drinking and addictive, depressive, toxin.

But we don't need venues dedicated to that and that alone.

At very least, they need to serve food too.

So, can I ask you do you usually eat at 10 ,11,12,1,2,3am. Its hardly recommended to anyone eating a dinner at that time, or maybe you can enlighten me. Please do.

What would you suggest happens to the night club business ? Perhaps nightclubs are not your thing but take a couple of provincial towns, Carrick on Shannon and Kilkenny, they both have a number of nightclubs that employ large numbers of people and contribute to the local economy and that spills over to the many other businesses. What would you suggest for the large numbers of people who enjoy the late night entertainment?

vafankillar · 24-02-2021 8:04pm

did anyone else notice just before the lockdown this time last year smoking areas of any pubs having cover removed?

3 pubs I was in shortly before they closed had recently removed some of the shelter, apparently inspectors had been around and lots of smoking areas weren't outdoors enough

PTH2009 · 24-02-2021 8:36pm

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-pubs-new-plan-stage-23558543

confused reading that it, does it say drink pubs will be open from Level 4 ?

The €9 food rule is gone thank feck

fin12 · 24-02-2021 8:50pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-pubs-new-plan-stage-23558543

confused reading that it, does it say drink pubs will be open from Level 4 ?

The €9 food rule is gone thank feck

Ya but that c*nt says he’s going to review it again so it’s not like there’s any rush to review it or anything, will be lucky if we get into any sort of a pub this year. I absolutely hate the government, I always did but this is such a deep hatred that has developed.

PTH2009 · 24-02-2021 8:58pm

fin12 wrote: »

Ya but that c*nt says he’s going to review it again so it’s not like there’s any rush to review it or anything, will be lucky if we get into any sort of a pub this year. I absolutely hate the government, I always did but this is such a deep hatred that has developed.

Yeah i know how your feeling. Its gone beyond breaking point at this stage, a lot and i mean a lot of people are very upset since last night in and outside of the Hospitality industry

Eric Cartman · 24-02-2021 9:03pm

"we'll review in April"
"PUP extended till the end of June"

so basically kicking the can down the road again.

There won't be any PUP / non-food pub crossover , so checking the end of PUP is the best barometer of pub opening , so end oj June is the next time for a can kick, not a hope before then.

hynesie08 · 24-02-2021 9:10pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-pubs-new-plan-stage-23558543

confused reading that it, does it say drink pubs will be open from Level 4 ?

The €9 food rule is gone thank feck

No.

In Level 4, pubs will not re-open to how we knew them before the pandemic. Restaurants and cafes will be able to open for take-away and delivery and outdoor dining or service to an "absolute maximum" of 15 people.

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah i know how your feeling. Its gone beyond breaking point at this stage, a lot and i mean a lot of people are very upset since last night in and outside of the Hospitality industry

I don't know a single person in hospitality who was expecting an announcement yesterday.

speckle · 24-02-2021 9:19pm

Drifter50 wrote: »

So, can I ask you do you usually eat at 10 ,11,12,1,2,3am. Its hardly recommended to anyone eating a dinner at that time, or maybe you can enlighten me. Please do.

What would you suggest happens to the night club business ? Perhaps nightclubs are not your thing but take a couple of provincial towns, Carrick on Shannon and Kilkenny, they both have a number of nightclubs that employ large numbers of people and contribute to the local economy and that spills over to the many other businesses. What would you suggest for the large numbers of people who enjoy the late night entertainment?

And many nightclubs double up as music venues for live bands and musicians ...an industry that employs a huge amount of people aswell as attracting tourists.

fin12 · 24-02-2021 9:20pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

No.

I don't know a single person in hospitality who was expecting an announcement yesterday.

Sorry this is gone way beyond the pubs, they could have at least relaxed the 5k, just something for f*ck sake. And April5th will come and go aswell with nothing relaxed either. I’ve cracked now, yday, for me was the last straw with the 5k.

Ferris_Bueller · 24-02-2021 9:45pm

That article in the mirror is the first place I've read the substantial meal rule will be gone. I had a look through the plan earlier and I was fairly certain it said that in Level 4 'wet pubs' can reopen outdoors with up to 15 people. Obviously not ideal but hopefully that means they will stop drawing the invisible line between bars that serve food and pubs that don't. The 'additional restrictions' line in the plan for wet pubs in Level 3 seems particularly ambiguous though.

PTH2009 · 24-02-2021 10:16pm

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

That article in the mirror is the first place I've read the substantial meal rule will be gone. I had a look through the plan earlier and I was fairly certain it said that in Level 4 'wet pubs' can reopen outdoors with up to 15 people. Obviously not ideal but hopefully that means they will stop drawing the invisible line between bars that serve food and pubs that don't. The 'additional restrictions' line in the plan for wet pubs in Level 3 seems particularly ambiguous though.

Nothing set in stone and all that bollocks

No matter what level they open they will be packed and who can blame people for letting go either. The government/nphet are scared of this prob but tbh its unpreventable esp with social media

charlesanto · 24-02-2021 10:32pm

i long for the smell of dirty bar farts

El_Duderino 09 · 25-02-2021 12:33am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

"we'll review in April"
"PUP extended till the end of June"

so basically kicking the can down the road again.

There won't be any PUP / non-food pub crossover , so checking the end of PUP is the best barometer of pub opening , so end oj June is the next time for a can kick, not a hope before then.

Yeah I think we all know pubs will be among the last business to reopen. So I’d say your method is pretty sound.

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2021 11:46am

Well, fair play to them, takeaway pints... No doubt the Gardai will be down in force to "dissuade" the publican from selling alcohol and just send them to the nearby Spar for ermm..takeaway cans?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-say-they-are-powerless-to-intervene-to-stop-a-dublin-pub-that-will-begin-serving-takeaway-pints-40128947.html

ShyMets · 25-02-2021 11:54am

charlesanto wrote: »

i long for the smell of dirty bar farts

Now you've gone too far:)

Patrick2010 · 25-02-2021 12:00pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, fair play to them, takeaway pints... No doubt the Gardai will be down in force to "dissuade" the publican from selling alcohol and just send them to the nearby Spar for ermm..takeaway cans?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-say-they-are-powerless-to-intervene-to-stop-a-dublin-pub-that-will-begin-serving-takeaway-pints-40128947.html

Kennys in James street advertise take away pints and their door is open, anyone purchase in there?

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2021 12:07pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Kennys in James street advertise take away pints and their door is open, anyone purchase in there?

I wouldn't hang around Kennys or Kavanaghs drinking pints! :eek:

Munstergirl854 · 25-02-2021 12:10pm

A lot of shebeens have been raided(and even ended up on the Garda FB page) which is fine for now but what are they going to do this summer.
As soon as the warm weather comes, people will flock in crowds to back gardens for barbeques, more homemade bars will pop up and young people will congregate en mass in parks,by the canal,beaches etc for cans...

It's a shame we cant actively plan for a Summer yet as we're still in limbo over where we'll be..

The Brits on the other hand are planning an almighty sesh for June 21st....I find their plan of recovery a bit ambitious though.

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2021 12:17pm

Munstergirl854 wrote: »

It's a shame we cant actively plan for a Summer yet as we're still in limbo over where we'll be..The Brits on the other hand are planning an almighty sesh for June 21st....I find their plan of recovery a bit ambitious though.

Irish Government don't do planning.. NPHET are calling the shots...

As for the UK you could need a barcode app on your phone with your vaccination status before you're allowed into a pub... I can see it happening, once tried to get into a bar in London but you had to scan your passport to get in.. I passed...

Cork2021 · 25-02-2021 1:35pm

charlesanto wrote: »

i long for the smell of dirty bar farts

I tell you one thing, pub I frequent has one dirty fûcker who after a heap of Murphys we’d end up walking out and getting lads in with hazmat suits to disinfect and spray some febreeze!

ShamNNspace · 25-02-2021 2:40pm

Cork2021 wrote: »

I tell you one thing, pub I frequent has one dirty fûcker who after a heap of Murphys we’d end up walking out and getting lads in with hazmat suits to disinfect and spray some febreeze!

He needed to adjust the headrack up a couple of notches, stops the clutch from slippin

JMNolan · 25-02-2021 3:37pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, fair play to them, takeaway pints... No doubt the Gardai will be down in force to "dissuade" the publican from selling alcohol and just send them to the nearby Spar for ermm..takeaway cans?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-say-they-are-powerless-to-intervene-to-stop-a-dublin-pub-that-will-begin-serving-takeaway-pints-40128947.html

I don't think they can shut them down, at least according to the indo article. All the guards can do is object to their license renewal (unless the dail quickly changes the law). If no one has anything left to lose then objecting to their license might not be enough of a deterrent.

hynesie08 · 25-02-2021 3:45pm

JMNolan wrote: »

I don't think they can shut them down, at least according to the indo article. All the guards can do is object to their license renewal (unless the dail quickly changes the law). If no one has anything left to lose then objecting to their license might not be enough of a deterrent.

Since Dublin by laws ban open containers of alcohol, all it would take is a couple of gardai swinging by at random intervals and emptying everyone's 6 euro pint down the drain to kill off any trade.

JMNolan · 25-02-2021 3:46pm

Sure, they can try kill the trade but they (as of today, who knows what will happen in the future) can't shut the pub.

ShyMets · 25-02-2021 3:54pm

Dont get me wrong. I'm chomping at the bit for pubs and in particular non food pubs to reopen.

But I've never gotten the attraction with take away pints. Ok with Guinness I can kind of understand. But if its a Carlsberg or Heineken I'd personally just head to the Off License.

Its going to taste the exact same and work out a lot cheaper

JMNolan · 25-02-2021 4:11pm

I don't either but there are a lot of things I don't get but I know some people (elderly especially) that would prefer to die than drink a can.

UI_Paddy · 25-02-2021 4:53pm

ShyMets wrote: »

Dont get me wrong. I'm chomping at the bit for pubs and in particular non food pubs to reopen.

But I've never gotten the attraction with take away pints. Ok with Guinness I can kind of understand. But if its a Carlsberg or Heineken I'd personally just head to the Off License.

Its going to taste the exact same and work out a lot cheaper

Guy I used to work with did it just to support his local in Stoneybatter. I say more power to them if people know the publicans well.

Mrs OBumble · 25-02-2021 6:04pm

Drifter50 wrote: »

What would you suggest happens to the night club business ? Perhaps nightclubs are not your thing but take a couple of provincial towns, Carrick on Shannon and Kilkenny, they both have a number of nightclubs that employ large numbers of people and contribute to the local economy and that spills over to the many other businesses. What would you suggest for the large numbers of people who enjoy the late night entertainment?

Entertainment businesses need to develop operations that don't provide large amounts of custom for A&E, STD clinics, abortion providers and, longer term, mental health services.

dominatinMC · 25-02-2021 7:01pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Entertainment businesses need to develop operations that don't provide large amounts of custom for A&E, STD clinics, abortion providers and, longer term, mental health services.

I suggest you stick to opera and theatre Mrs OBumble. Variety is the spice of life. And just because you don't like something doesn't mean it "needs" to change

ShyMets · 25-02-2021 7:08pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Entertainment businesses need to develop operations that don't provide large amounts of custom for A&E, STD clinics, abortion providers and, longer term, mental health services.

Dramatic. Just a tad

doublejobbing 2 · 25-02-2021 9:19pm

ShyMets wrote: »

Dont get me wrong. I'm chomping at the bit for pubs and in particular non food pubs to reopen.

But I've never gotten the attraction with take away pints. Ok with Guinness I can kind of understand. But if its a Carlsberg or Heineken I'd personally just head to the Off License.

Its going to taste the exact same and work out a lot cheaper

Not to mention DCC has by and large got rid of any bit of public seating over the last few years. A pint leaning against a 6 inch wide windowsill, no thanks.

Eric Cartman · 26-02-2021 9:43am

UI_Paddy wrote: »

Guy I used to work with did it just to support his local in Stoneybatter. I say more power to them if people know the publicans well.

There was a great group would get pints from walshes and walk up a laneway opposite and theres a road with benches and loads of space 2-300 meters away, a fantastic place to drink takeaway guinness on an evening

pottokblue · 28-02-2021 9:30pm

Spring is here could it be time for a gradual reopening of outdoors/beergardens/takeaways.... sure on my 5km walk I frequent canalbank drinkers with supermarket/offlicences takeaways enjoying their cans, wine and spirits...

Tazz T · 01-03-2021 9:33am

Come the first spell of good weather I can see this clamped down swiftly with canal side drinkers labelled thugs and conspiracy theorists to stop others venturing further than their balcony.

PommieBast · 01-03-2021 12:13pm

Tazz T wrote: »

Come the first spell of good weather I can see this clamped down swiftly with canal side drinkers labelled thugs and conspiracy theorists to stop others venturing further than their balcony.

When talking to relatives in the UK last week about Dublin's lockdowns and Christine McTiernan et al., they remarked that sooner or later there would be riots. Maybe the Irish have finally learnt something from the French.

Tazz T · 01-03-2021 12:24pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Entertainment businesses need to develop operations that don't provide large amounts of custom for A&E, STD clinics, abortion providers and, longer term, mental health services.

But it's okay for entertainment businesses to provide large amounts of tax revenue for A&E, STD clinics, abortion providers and, longer term, mental health services to operate.

Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

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