Gyms to Reopen 2021???

iguana · 23-02-2021 02:14PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

But the government needs to up its game as well. Quarantine only mandatory if you're coming from South Africa or Brazil is beyond stupid.

Absolutely. I have no problem with doing what is necessary to stop the spread of the virus. I mightn't enjoy it but I will absolutely do it. But if I'm just constantly having to have my own life curbed enormously in order keep on quashing transmission that is continuously being brought in from people coming/returning from less restrictive countries, then I do have a massive problem with it. If proper travel restrictions had been introduced in the summer when our virus levels were low then we wouldn't have to have these continuing strict restrictions for such lengthy periods. We might still have had periods, especially in winter, where things had to shut. But for briefer, less restrictive periods. We can not keep on living like this as our day to day life so that some people can have holidays, that even includes people who's family is abroad. I sympathise with them massively but we can't keep doing this.

I'm making the absolute most of this lockdown. I was sick for most of the first one and the pain from chest inflammation only abated towards the end of the second one. I actually enjoyed January enormously I made a gym in my livingroom and am finally back to my pre-March levels of fitness and strength. I'm more flexible than I was and I've hit some gymnastic goals, though I still can't hold a solid handstand. I'm still having a nice time most days. But even at that I can feel a panicky despair creeping in when I think about the coming months. People who found January tough must be in despair.

rondog · 23-02-2021 02:30PM

The Govt have lost the people.

Ive been following guidelines since last March ,a year now,and we are in no better position than we were a year ago.Failings after failings by the Govt.

The reason there are new cases is because people are having house parties, visiting other relatives etc.I know elderly people that have been strictly shielding that have said fcuk it,its their golden years and theyve just gone out and gotten on with things ie visiting Family, Grandkids etc.

ALl you have to do is look at social media to see the frustration and despair people have with this whole situation.We are asked to take extraordinary measures while the Govt have failed their end.

I think the outcome of these lcokdowns will be worse than the covid situation itself.Hundreds of thousands out of work,all other diseases ignored,i read potentially 1 million on hospital waiting lists.Also, the fact that we have ignored Economic considerations completely is crazy,many businesses will never open up again,the health consequences mentally and physically of lockdowns have been brutal.

Everyone has their own opinions and I realise COVID is not the flu but we lose people each year to the flu,kids get hospitalised but we dont shut down the whole country.

c.p.w.g.w · 23-02-2021 02:45PM

The whole Brazilians entering last week has really rubbed a lot of people the wrong way(and rightfully so)

Think of all the folks who have been following the rules and then you see 1500 people from a covid19 hotspot(with a variant) enter the country...I mean at that rate, what the point in having restrictions if you allow sure an influx

23-02-2021 02:45PM

rondog wrote: »

.........

Everyone has their own opinions and I realise COVID is not the flu but we lose people each year to the flu,kids get hospitalised but we dont shut down the whole country.

Because there is a flu vaccine and it's less contagious than Covid.
Covid Vaccines are the way out of this, there was never any other way.

rondog · 23-02-2021 02:53PM

Augeo wrote: »

Because there is a flu vaccine and it's less contagious than Covid.
Covid Vaccines are the way out of this, there was never any other way.

There is a Flu vaccine but still thousands are hospitalised and die every year,that includes children in Ireland.We dont seem to close down each year for Flu season.

23-02-2021 03:04PM

Imagine what would happen in flu season with no vaccine.

rondog · 23-02-2021 03:15PM

There was thousands of cases of the Flu in 2019(before the FLu magically disappeared) with 627 hospitalised.

The same probably died with the Flu as COVID only we cant tell because anyone testing positive with COVID when they die are being listed as death by COVID when this is not the case as a huge majority have underlying illnesses

Alf Veedersane · 23-02-2021 03:15PM

rondog wrote: »

There is a Flu vaccine but still thousands are hospitalised and die every year,that includes children in Ireland.We dont seem to close down each year for Flu season.

Its the sheer volume of people needing hospital for a more transmissible, more virulent virus than the flu that's the issue.

The country didn't fully open up in December and by mid January, there were over 2000 people in hospital (for context, worst flu season in the last decade had a total of 4713 hospitalisations on the whole season). And they have to be segregated from non Covid patients putting more strain on space and resources.

No one likes this shít and while more could have been done to offset the need for lockdowns, I don't really know how you tackle the sharp increase in hospitalisations, admissions to ICU and deaths in a way that allows most people to carry on as normal

Alf Veedersane · 23-02-2021 03:18PM

rondog wrote: »

The same probably died with the Flu as COVID only we cant tell because anyone testing positive with COVID when they die are being listed as death by COVID when this is not the case as a huge majority have underlying illnesses

Incorrect.

If it's an underlying cause, its included on the death cert as per the WHO guidance.

Anyway, neither of us are in the correct forum for this.

rondog · 23-02-2021 03:27PM

2019 there was 627 hospitalizations and many others in hospitals due to other illnesses,we didnt shut down.We have approx 600/700 in hospital with COVID and we have shut down.We had Citywest as an overflow which sat empty during the initial lockdown and for some reason they havent opened that up.Govt failed to increase our hospital capacity for years and now we have basically an entire country shut down with hundreds of thousands unemployed,many businesses that will never open, mental and physical health severly suffering and we all just accept this like lemmings.

We can easily open retail and many other well controlled environments rather than a blanket shutting down of everything non essential but eh Govt wont entertain this.WHO have even said lockdowns should be as a last rest but we use it as a first resort and have the longest and most stringent lockdowns in europe/the world.

People are focusing on just COVID but at some stage we have to balance what is an acceptable death count and balance out the absolute destruction it has on the economy,peoples livelihoods,the million forecast to be on hospital waiting lists and the myriad of the other many cons of lockdowns.

You can say 'well people die from COVID' so we should shut down, many die from drowing,car crashes ,other viruses and bacterial infections, should we ban or shut down all other causes of death?afterall if we stop driving ,sports,swimmming we can prevent those deaths.

rondog · 23-02-2021 03:30PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Incorrect.

If it's an underlying cause, its included on the death cert as per the WHO guidance.

Anyway, neither of us are in the correct forum for this.

Incorrect-if a person tests positive for COVID ,the death is reported as COVID whether its from heart failure,cancer etc.

23-02-2021 03:32PM

rondog wrote: »

...........

You can say 'well people die from COVID' so we should shut down, many die from drowing,car crashes ,other viruses and bacterial infections, should we ban or shut down all other causes of death?afterall if we stop driving ,sports,swimmming we can prevent those deaths.

Death from swimming as tragic as it is, isn't contagious.

rondog · 23-02-2021 03:38PM

Augeo wrote: »

Death from swimming as tragic as it is, isn't contagious.

But its preventable so why dont we shut down swimming pools?

Flu among other viruses causes many death each season so why not shut down each Cold/FLu season?
Norovirus causes 680 million cases a year and is highly contagious with 200k deaths so why not shut down when Norovirus kicks off?

papu · 23-02-2021 03:52PM

rondog wrote: »

But its preventable so why dont we shut down swimming pools?

Flu among other viruses causes many death each season so why not shut down each Cold/FLu season?
Norovirus causes 680 million cases a year and is highly contagious with 200k deaths so why not shut down when Norovirus kicks off?

US Norovirus deaths per annum ~900.. cmon you're equating having the squirts with Covid-19

Alf Veedersane · 23-02-2021 03:56PM

rondog wrote: »

Incorrect-if a person tests positive for COVID ,the death is reported as COVID whether its from heart failure,cancer etc.

That's just incorrect.

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf?ua=1

Example:

Anyway, like I said, this is not the forum for it.

23-02-2021 04:08PM

rondog wrote: »

But its preventable so why dont we shut down swimming pools?

Flu among other viruses causes many death each season so why not shut down each Cold/FLu season?.................

Because there's a vaccine and hence a low number of deaths. Hospitals can cope to an extent.

With no vaccine and no restrictions Covid would run rampant (as we got a glimpse of in Jan).

rondog · 23-02-2021 04:10PM

papu wrote: »

US Norovirus deaths per annum ~900.. cmon you're equating having the squirts with Covid-19

Norovirus results in about 685 million cases of disease and 200,000 deaths globally a year.[6][7] It is common both in the developed and developing world.[3][8] Those under the age of five are most often affected, and in this group it results in about 50,000 deaths in the developing world.[6] Norovirus infections occur more commonly during winter months.[6] It often occurs in outbreaks, especially among those living in close quarters.[3] In the United States, it is the cause of about half of all foodborne disease outbreaks.[3] The virus is named after the city of Norwalk, Ohio, where an outbreak occurred in 1968.[9]

Just the Squirts is it?
Various different reports give differing recovery rates from COVID of 97-99%.
Vast majority of COVID cases are very mild or asymptomatic.

rondog · 23-02-2021 04:19PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

That's just incorrect.

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf?ua=1

Example:

Anyway, like I said, this is not the forum for it.

Im referring to Ireland and cant seem to post a link so the below is an extract of a report in the Journal.

"When asked how Covid-19 deaths are recorded, a spokesperson for the HSE told TheJournal.ie: “In cases where an individual who has had a positive Covid-19 test before or after death, this will be notified to the national surveillance system and reported by HPSC as a death in a confirmed Covid-19 case.”

Alf Veedersane · 23-02-2021 04:38PM

rondog wrote: »

Im referring to Ireland and cant seem to post a link so the below is an extract of a report in the Journal.

"When asked how Covid-19 deaths are recorded, a spokesperson for the HSE told TheJournal.ie: “In cases where an individual who has had a positive Covid-19 test before or after death, this will be notified to the national surveillance system and reported by HPSC as a death in a confirmed Covid-19 case.”

The guidance is applicable in Ireland.

That article is from last May, things change.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cso-underlying-cause-death-5276913-Nov2020/

"Ireland has been counting Covid-19 deaths on foot of advice from the World Health Organization, which issued guidance on the matter earlier this year. The CSO said that the hierarchy in which the causes of death are written on a death certificate will impact on what it assigns to be the underlying cause of death for the purposes of this data."

rondog · 23-02-2021 05:45PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

The guidance is applicable in Ireland.

That article is from last May, things change.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cso-underlying-cause-death-5276913-Nov2020/

"Ireland has been counting Covid-19 deaths on foot of advice from the World Health Organization, which issued guidance on the matter earlier this year. The CSO said that the hierarchy in which the causes of death are written on a death certificate will impact on what it assigns to be the underlying cause of death for the purposes of this data."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...inds-1.4295324

You are talking about 'Guidance' and in an ideal world the true figures might be reflected but its common knowledge and very easy to see many reports online about people saying their family members died from non covid related illness but the death cert had COVID.

https://theconversation.com/died-fro...-deaths-145438.

Even medical professionals are saying its hard to distinguish between dying with and from.

rondog · 23-02-2021 05:49PM

PPAP wrote: »

Sad thing is, most club gyms are still open. I have keys for my local gaa gym in my village and while I haven't used it, i've seen a good few lads going in and out, some are local gardai using it reguarly.

It's like that everywhere in the country

Personally I don't see gyms opening until indoor dining does, sometime in the summer, NPHET and the like see them as high risk.

This is true.I know of a few Muay thai and MMA gyms that are still holding classes ,one even posts live videos of training on Insta.

Fair play to them,people have had enough.

Alf Veedersane · 23-02-2021 06:49PM

rondog wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...inds-1.4295324

You are talking about 'Guidance' and in an ideal world the true figures might be reflected but its common knowledge and very easy to see many reports online about people saying their family members died from non covid related illness but the death cert had COVID.

https://theconversation.com/died-fro...-deaths-145438.

Even medical professionals are saying its hard to distinguish between dying with and from.

There's chatter on social media and mostly not first hand.

You can see clear trends in hospitalisations, ICU admissions and deaths.

Most medical professionals are seeing the direct impacts of covid.

Everyone is sick of it. My father is isolated because of the restrictions. I have seen him twice in a year. I would love to be in the gym. Be able to travel more than 5k. I have kids that miss their friends. I want this to be over.

But going down this route of saying it's not what it is does no one want favours. So lets just leave this here.

Thelonious Monk · 23-02-2021 07:35PM

So according to the roadmap I can't see gyms open before May anyway

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 23-02-2021 07:38PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So according to the roadmap I can't see gyms open before May anyway

It's not any sort of road map..all I heard was schools. No mention of anything else. A ****ing shìtshow.

yourdeadwright · 24-02-2021 11:27AM

I'm all for gyms opening up but at the same time PTs on Instagram are a joke,

Constantly going on about its the only thing to help peoples mental health is nonsense ,
Back in the 80's & 90's even early 00's there was f*ck all gyms people where not going around like Zombies complaining of mental health ,

If you really want to help people like they claim they should be making video's encouraging everyone to get outdoors and train or do it at home or in your garden ,

The people who need them most actually listen to there every word and then use it as an excuse that they can't do exercise when they can ,

24-02-2021 11:42AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'm all for gyms opening up but at the same time PTs on Instagram are a joke,

Constantly going on about its the only thing to help peoples mental health is nonsense ,
Back in the 80's & 90's even early 00's there was f*ck all gyms people where not going around like Zombies complaining of mental health ,

If you really want to help people like they claim they should be making video's encouraging everyone to get outdoors and train or do it at home or in your garden ,

The people who need them most actually listen to there every word and then use it as an excuse that they can't do exercise when they can ,

I've kept 80% of my client base going via online sessions and home visits for the last year. Some have said they actually prefer it to being in the gym!

I know it's far from the best situation, but you can usually find a way to make things work. It's small gym owners I feel sorry for. This must be a nightmare for them.

yourdeadwright · 24-02-2021 11:48AM

Basil3 wrote: »

I've kept 80% of my client base going via online sessions and home visits for the last year. Some have said they actually prefer it to being in the gym!

I know it's far from the best situation, but you can usually find a way to make things work. It's small gym owners I feel sorry for. This must be a nightmare for them.

I feel for people losing business and losing money as everyone need to feed there families but I cant stand the sh*te on social media

Somewhere about 2 or 3 years ago PT's all of a sudden overnight became experts in mental health the majority for one reason to make clients think they NEED them more , The constantly putting up of these **** talking videos makes vulnerable people think there is no alternative which is false & does more harm than good,

silverharp · 24-02-2021 12:02PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'm all for gyms opening up but at the same time PTs on Instagram are a joke,

Constantly going on about its the only thing to help peoples mental health is nonsense ,
Back in the 80's & 90's even early 00's there was f*ck all gyms people where not going around like Zombies complaining of mental health ,

If you really want to help people like they claim they should be making video's encouraging everyone to get outdoors and train or do it at home or in your garden ,

The people who need them most actually listen to there every word and then use it as an excuse that they can't do exercise when they can ,

the weather hasnt been great, I do a park routine and I try to get a 2 hr cycle in at the weekend, but the weather throws out routine more often than not, last weekend for instance was my first time on a bike in 3 weeks.
After March the weather will be better and evenings longer but that doesnt help at the moment

yourdeadwright · 24-02-2021 12:12PM

silverharp wrote: »

the weather hasnt been great, I do a park routine and I try to get a 2 hr cycle in at the weekend, but the weather throws out routine more often than not, last weekend for instance was my first time on a bike in 3 weeks.
After March the weather will be better and evenings longer but that doesnt help at the moment

The weather is grand as long as you have a rain coat,

For cycling yes it could be dangerous but for getting out for a walk or a run its fine ,

Black Sheep · 24-02-2021 12:15PM

Basil3 wrote: »

I've kept 80% of my client base going via online sessions and home visits for the last year. Some have said they actually prefer it to being in the gym!

I know it's far from the best situation, but you can usually find a way to make things work. It's small gym owners I feel sorry for. This must be a nightmare for them.

That's great to hear.

I know a few businesses that have done better than they expected by going digital. Not the same revenue as before, but recouping far more than they expected. Anecdotally, I know of 1-2 yoga businesses whose situation has actually improved by moving to an online streaming platform and actually doing away with bricks and mortar space. It's a bit glib to say "suddenly the clientele is international", but there's also an element of truth to that. When it comes to availing of online training, we can all train with anyone we want these days.

On the other hand, I know of a PT business with two locations and a significant number of staff, that has still not made the jump to online training of any kind. The business is effectively in hibernation. One of the co-owners I spoke to decided early on that they weren't willing to do online training. I think it was a mixture of being sceptical and unfamiliar with it as a model combined with a forlorn hope the pandemic wouldn't last. They never revisited it.

---

The roadmap is a little grim alright. It's all kicked down the road bar education and the information about the continuance of financial supports.

I do wonder what happens if, in late 2021 or 2022, we've vaccinated everyone and the UK and Ireland is wide open for business.... And then a vaccine resistant strain starts to circulate, or comes in with a trucker from Portgual or whatever.... What happens then? If we're open then that strain goes around very quickly. What do we do then, aren't we back to square 1?

Gyms to Reopen 2021???

Comments