Gyms to Reopen 2021???

The chan chan man

Augeo wrote: »

Week or so after Easter IMO, early April.

I highly doubt that. I really can’t wait though!

In 2020 the first closure was for 4 months ish iirc ....... mid March to late July .......... with vaccines out there I am hoping for slightly shorter this time around.
It's all just opinion of course but gyms were separate to restaurants in December for a spell so that might well be the case this time around also.

Yes, it'll be interesting to see how things pan out.
The close contact testing will also see cases be likely at 400+ per day come month end which is almost double what they'd hoped for

TheMilkyPirate

Mid April would be my guess

is_that_so

OmegaGene wrote: »

it will be the hope that crushes you

5 gps from the cork area told red fm yesterday that they arent vaccinating the over 85's for 2-3 weeks as they have no vaccine and delivery isnt expected before that time frame so if they get pushed back so will everything else.
Irish times ran a story recently that gyms are not expected to be included in the level four this time around and that is even if we go to level four anytime soon, i am not expecting to be in a gym before july now at this stage

Only 84 practices have vaccines this week. Getting really tired of these media ringarounds to GPs who haven't a clue but lots of opinions. People will be told when they need to be told. I am more optimistic on the gyms, still see April as a possibility. July for the vast majority of things is a non-runner. We'll have long passed the point of caring by then. Noticed a lot more people out and about yesterday. Sure, it's way warmer, but as days get longer it will be a whole lot harder to keep people in under these restrictions.

OmegaGene

OmegaGene wrote: »

they estimate with the schools going back there will be a million people on the road so case numbers will no doubt shoot up with that

Yes but by end of March there will be a nice lash of folk vaccinated.... It's not all negative

nullzero

is_that_so wrote: »

Only 84 practices have vaccines this week. Getting really tired of these media ringarounds to GPs who haven't a clue but lots of opinions. People will be told when they need to be told. I am more optimistic on the gyms, still see April as a possibility. July for the vast majority of things is a non-runner. We'll have long passed the point of caring by then. Noticed a lot more people out and about yesterday. Sure, it's way warmer, but as days get longer it will be a whole lot harder to keep people in under these restrictions.

More people are out and about because this week is a mid term break for school kids.

With the way the case numbers are staying up this time around I'd be surprised if we see non essential businesses open before the end of the summer to facilitate people getting back to school items for September. With that any increase in case numbers following that will likely be met with another level 5 with schools and building sites left open.

We might get a month or two back in the gym between August and the end of September going into October, much like last autumn only without the extra few weeks in December.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

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We might get a month or two back in the gym between August and the end of September going into October, much like last autumn only without the extra few weeks in December.

To be fair that seems terribly pessimistic, the vaccine roll out will be largely complete by the Summer especially with respect to over 70s, healthcare workers and immunocompromised folk.

rondog

After the December debacle and cases going up,the government has lost its nerve and will bow down to anything NEPHET says.NEPHET are basically running the countr and they give zero fcuks about anything economy or fitness related so i think they will push back against anything with that type of environment which is ridiculous considering the benefits both mentally and physically to people health.

WHen the elderhigh risk cohorts are vaccinated they need to open up and get the economy moving again or the consequences of these seemingly draconian endless lockdowns will be much worse any COVID related issues.

My opinion would be Mid summer for gym opening.

yourdeadwright

Surely we are only about a month and a half away from gyms getting open ,
The start of April I reckon

I agree......... in 6 to 8 weeks all going well the daily cases will be under 200/day .......... hospitals will have plenty capacity and a huge proportion of the vulnerable will be vaccinated along with all frontline healthcare workers.

Things will open up, non essential retail and gyms will be opening before sit in dining IMO.

is_that_so

nullzero wrote: »

More people are out and about because this week is a mid term break for school kids.

With the way the case numbers are staying up this time around I'd be surprised if we see non essential businesses open before the end of the summer to facilitate people getting back to school items for September. With that any increase in case numbers following that will likely be met with another level 5 with schools and building sites left open.

We might get a month or two back in the gym between August and the end of September going into October, much like last autumn only without the extra few weeks in December.

The end of summer is 6 months away. Non-essential cannot stay closed that long nor people remain under these types of restrictions. I'm still looking at April for them. The main issue from a government perspective is likely reducing levels of compliance. NHPET have already warned them about it. We might stick at this level until Easter but it will be much harder to enforce effectively after that.

rondog

Genuinely hope im wrong as i am missing the Gym but the Govt are far too cautious after the scare we had at xmas.If Tony and his crew start seeing cases rising due to gym being open the Govt will shut gyms down quickly.

COVID is going nowhere,theres the anti vaxx movement spewing their lies and many will heed what they say and not take it.There will be other outbreaks even after vaccination so we need to get the vulnerable vaccinated and then open everything up and get on with life.

We also need to stop the fear mongering and show case numbers every day and focus on hospital admission,capacity and ICU numbers.

Alf Veedersane

rondog wrote: »

We also need to stop the fear mongering and show case numbers every day and focus on hospital admission,capacity and ICU numbers.

To be fair, even Ronan Glynn said that back in August, i.e. that there is too much focus on daily numbers rather than trends and that he didn't think a daily briefing was necessary

yourdeadwright

People who say end of summer are way off,
Its way more likely for things to be open in the summer months and then for them to close down again coming into winter ,

There no way everything stays shut for the entire summer its just won't work ,

nullzero

yourdeadwright wrote: »

People who say end of summer are way off,
Its way more likely for things to be open in the summer months and then for them to close down again coming into winter ,

There no way everything stays shut for the entire summer its just won't work ,

The guide given recently was for sub 100 cases per day for a month before restrictions would be eased. We're at approximately 800-900 cases per day at the moment. Schools are being phased back from next month or for context in the next two weeks, numbers will increase with that happening, the situation isn't static and we're not going to see anything other than level 5 with schools and construction re opening until those numbers are way down.

It may well be difficult to enforce lockdown the longer it goes on, but by the same token most people would prefer to get things right this time than face the prospect of being in lockdown again this time next year.

We're in this situation because of how things were handled at the back end of last year. Gyms and retail weren't the cause of it and we all know they weren't but were stuck with these case numbers and we're not coming out of level 5 anywhere close to April, reopening schools and construction sites needs to happen, opening non essential businesses with the possiblity of a surge in case numbers isn't going to happen.

It's a crap situation without a doubt but June would be an optimistic time to see Gyms reopening, more likely further out as any upswing in numbers will see us in another indefinite lockdown which is what we are effectively in at the moment.

But hey, at least people got to drink on the streets for a few months last year, hope they had the craic because the rest of us are carrying the can for them now.

timmyntc

nullzero wrote: »

The guide given recently was for sub 100 cases per day for a month before restrictions would be eased. We're at approximately 800-900 cases per day at the moment. Schools are being phased back from next month or for context in the next two weeks, numbers will increase with that happening, the situation isn't static and we're not going to see anything other than level 5 with schools and construction re opening until those numbers are way down.

It may well be difficult to enforce lockdown the longer it goes on, but by the same token most people would prefer to get things right this time than face the prospect of being in lockdown again this time next year.

We're in this situation because of how things were handled at the back end of last year. Gyms and retail weren't the cause of it and we all know they weren't but were stuck with these case numbers and we're not coming out of level 5 anywhere close to April, reopening schools and construction sites needs to happen, opening non essential businesses with the possiblity of a surge in case numbers isn't going to happen.

It's a crap situation without a doubt but June would be an optimistic time to see Gyms reopening, more likely further out as any upswing in numbers will see us in another indefinite lockdown which is what we are effectively in at the moment.

But hey, at least people got to drink on the streets for a few months last year, hope they had the craic because the rest of us are carrying the can for them now.

There's no way we will ever see under 100 cases a day consistently, ever again.
The buy-in isnt there from the public. We will get to 100-200 range at best, but it will likely plateau there.

yourdeadwright

nullzero wrote: »

The guide given recently was for sub 100 cases per day for a month before restrictions would be eased. We're at approximately 800-900 cases per day at the moment. Schools are being phased back from next month or for context in the next two weeks, numbers will increase with that happening, the situation isn't static and we're not going to see anything other than level 5 with schools and construction re opening until those numbers are way down.

It may well be difficult to enforce lockdown the longer it goes on, but by the same token most people would prefer to get things right this time than face the prospect of being in lockdown again this time next year.

We're in this situation because of how things were handled at the back end of last year. Gyms and retail weren't the cause of it and we all know they weren't but were stuck with these case numbers and we're not coming out of level 5 anywhere close to April, reopening schools and construction sites needs to happen, opening non essential businesses with the possiblity of a surge in case numbers isn't going to happen.

It's a crap situation without a doubt but June would be an optimistic time to see Gyms reopening, more likely further out as any upswing in numbers will see us in another indefinite lockdown which is what we are effectively in at the moment.

But hey, at least people got to drink on the streets for a few months last year, hope they had the craic because the rest of us are carrying the can for them now.

That sounds like day dreaming to be honest,

There is only so long people can keep this up , there is no way we go through a summer of lockdown if number are 200 or so , its just not going to happen ,

nullzero

yourdeadwright wrote: »

That sounds like day dreaming to be honest,

There is only so long people can keep this up , there is no way we go through a summer of lockdown if number are 200 or so , its just not going to happen ,

I agree. It's insane to expect what NPHET are aiming for and people will begin to get uneasy the longer this continues.

Because the government made ludicrous decisions at the end of last year NPHET are now firmly in control of this situation and the government won't dare go against their guidance.

We know that there were enormous numbers of clusters arising from house parties, people drinking on the streets, people having huge get togethers in GAA clubs etc.
I don't recall once seeing a single story outlining how clusters were emerging from Gyms.

I'm sickened by this situation, I go to the gym every weekday morning my fitness has gone to the dogs since Christmas, I work from home full time and have two kids to take care of during the day while my wife is out at work. I have no energy to do anything but collapse in bed in the evenings at the moment. Were the Gyms open it'd be an absolute god send for me but looking at things from a pragmatic stand point I can only see the gym as something that will only be available to me again way down the line.

Black Sheep

I agree about the 100 cases a day being unrealistic... I wouldn't be surprised if our plateau figure is something like 100-400 cases a day more like.

timmyntc

Black Sheep wrote: »

I agree about the 100 cases a day being unrealistic... I wouldn't be surprised if our plateau figure is something like 100-400 cases a day more like.

The thing about the vaccinations is that it takes most of the risk out of covid - as the elderly and vulnerable get vaccinated then even if we have 1000 cases a day, the hospitalisations and death will be a fraction of what they were before.

With mass vaccinations starting, the number of positive covid tests should not be used as any kind of metric to justify lockdowns.

If enough people make enough noise about this then we might see gyms opening earlier than expected.

is_that_so

timmyntc wrote: »

The thing about the vaccinations is that it takes most of the risk out of covid - as the elderly and vulnerable get vaccinated then even if we have 1000 cases a day, the hospitalisations and death will be a fraction of what they were before.

With mass vaccinations starting, the number of positive covid tests should not be used as any kind of metric to justify lockdowns.

If enough people make enough noise about this then we might see gyms opening earlier than expected.

We'll have to see the new Living with COVID plan first, due imminently. Some things will move around.

FlubberJones

I'll not reiterate what is being said above, the sledgehammer fix of L5 lockdown is all the government know and will keep it until they are "happy" with vaccination numbers, which are diabolically ****e at the moment.

Personally I don't really care for others any longer, they are not my concern and why should they be... I have done my bit and always did and still doing, I travelled last year, but I did what was needed on returning etc.

I would have the gyms open today, but I am not in charge...

The chan chan man

Ah come on, €800 for a pair of dumbbells?! LOL, jesus christ lads!

Alf Veedersane

The chan chan man wrote: »

Ah come on, €800 for a pair of dumbbells?! LOL, jesus christ lads!

If you'll get use out of them and you would use a range of dumbbells, then it's not as mad expensive.

A pair of 40s alone would cost €200+ and it's equivalent of 12 sets of dumbbells going from 5kg to 40kg.

A pair of 20s would cost €100+. There are 7 different weights from 20-40kg.

You won't buy that range of dumbbells separately for less than €765 so it's not expensive for what it is

DylanJM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If you'll get use out of them and you would use a range of dumbbells, then it's not as mad expensive.

A pair of 40s alone would cost €200+ and it's equivalent of 12 sets of dumbbells going from 5kg to 40kg.

A pair of 20s would cost €100+. There are 7 different weights from 20-40kg.

You won't buy that range of dumbbells separately for less than €765 so it's not expensive for what it is

Aye, I would argue an adjustable should be considerably cheaper though as there is considerably less material used.

Alf Veedersane

DylanJM wrote: »

Aye, I would argue an adjustable should be considerably cheaper though as there is considerably less material used.

Powerblocks charge more for being a premium product. The comparison was with bog standard Strength Shop hex dumbbells and there was still a significant enough saving.

Pairs of 20/25/30/35/40 (5 pairs) of hex dumbbells from MCSport would cost €1,195

But I would presume there's a premiun for the fact that they are not taking up as much space as the suite of dumbbells they would in theory replace.

The chan chan man

I’ve lost strength, I’m flabby and pissed off! Open the facking gyms!!

FlubberJones

The chan chan man wrote: »

I’ve lost strength, I’m flabby and pissed off! Open the facking gyms!!

I did go flabby(ish) especially over Xmas but have managed to lose it again but strength and most definitely muscle has faded, doing poxy HIIT sessions and using resistance bands, just consumes muscle rather than maintains it.

When the gyms open it will be 12 months before I can get back to where I was and I'm over 50, there are only so many comebacks I have in me... ffs sake!!!

senordingdong

Well that was some nice piss poured over our hopes this morning.