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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #302
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    seamus wrote:
    There's that hairdresser in Balbriggan ...

    OK so there's a hairdresser in Balbriggan... I won't be allowing that to impact on basic common sense in the midst of a pandemic.


  • #303
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Apparently the patriots are trying to organise a protest for Saturday. Hopefully the Gardai deal with them. They stopped some Dublin hairdresser looking for publicity earlier today at least.

    They need stricter fines to stop that rubbish if we are to ever get things open.


    Agreed there.


  • #304
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    Offaly Express:

    Offaly company issues statement amid concerns over Covid-19 outbreak

    Nelipak Healthcare Packaging in Clara have issued a statement following a significant outbreak of Covid-19 at their plant in recent weeks.

    It's understood up to 20 members of staff at the plant have tested positive in the last two weeks, with other cases confirmed among close contacts of workers.

    This news comes as Offaly has the highest 14-day incidence rate of the virus in the country with cases clustered in the Tullamore Municipal District, which takes in the town of Clara, according to Department of Health data.

    341 cases have been confirmed across the county in the last two weeks with Offaly's 14-day incidence rate standing at 437.4 per 100,00. The national average is now down at 240 per 100,000.


  • #305
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You must be one of the few people who think communication is satisfactory. It would be a lot easier to listen to what's being said if there weren't constant contradictions.

    Absolutely not. Government communications have been a shambles.

    However same isn’t said for NPHET. Especially the last couple of weeks with Ronan Glynn leading the way.


  • #306
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Apparently the patriots are trying to organise a protest for Saturday. Hopefully the Gardai deal with them. They stopped some Dublin hairdresser looking for publicity earlier today at least.

    They need stricter fines to stop that rubbish if we are to ever get things open, just strip the business from her for good.

    The finest won't be paid.


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  • #307
    hotmail.com
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    Martin could allow the public some relief by sacking Donnelly.


  • #308
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,304 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The finest won't be paid.

    Then cut their dole or jail them they have to have some earnings that bùll**** just tricks the vulnerable.


  • #309
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    From my family and friends whatsapp - over 80 ppl currently - the vast majority are resigned to another few months of restrictions

    Some mild grumblings but lots of positive comments towards MM - contrary to some other posts the govt has not “lost the people” what ever the hell that supposedly means

    Ah well that confirms the mood of the nation if your friends and family on WhatsApp say it's grand so.


  • #310
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You must be one of the few people who think communication is satisfactory. It would be a lot easier to listen to what's being said if there weren't constant contradictions.
    I'd be of the more "we need to keep most of these restrictions, and sort out some more properly" persuasion, and I think the clamouring for dates seemed pointless at best, but I'd agree that the gov't communication is crap.

    And any one of the NPHET team would do a better job (even the lovely signers), despite many people's aversion to being told when things are crap.


  • #311
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The vaccine figures put us just a few weeks behind the UK in terms of progress (yes the AstraZeneca mess is accounted for)

    We should be in a position to open in full around 5-6 weeks after them. They will be a very useful guinea pig for us


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  • #312
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon has announced that restrictions will be eased gradually, but certainly no earlier than April. This has been greeted with general relief and a sense of optimism, and that the worst is over.

    In Britain, Boris Johnson has announced that restrictions will be eased gradually, but certainly no earlier than April. This has been greeted with general relief and a sense of optimism, and that the worst is over.

    In Ireland, Micheál Martin has literally delivered the exact same message, and it's been greeted with disgust and outrage.

    Why the difference?

    Well, the first two delivered it as "the roadmap to easing restrictions, starting after next month".

    Our buck stood there sneering at us, painted it negatively as "another two months of lockdown", and generally gave the impression that he's thoroughly enjoying every moment of having the power to tell people what to do.

    Our government has delivered an earlier reopening of the economy than in Scotland or England but because of the utterly contemptuous attitude of the Taoiseach, his doom-and-gloom messaging, and the transforming of restrictions from something we're doing into something we're ordered to do, he's caused a collapse in morale.

    There's a reason why, when invited three times to elect Micheál Martin as our Taoiseach, the Irish people politely demurred each time. We're seeing it now.


  • #313
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Absolutely not. Government communications have been a shambles.

    However same isn’t said for NPHET. Especially the last couple of weeks with Ronan Glynn leading the way.

    In fairness nphet have been clear, cases are going up, lock everything down for months, any other ideas, no just lock everything down for months. So thats all you have, yes lock it all down. What a pointless waste of money that group is and the worst thing is they are seen as hero's by so many, bit like the Catholic Church for many.


  • #314
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,082 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Funny under the new 'plan' at Level 1 which is something we didn't even achieve last year

    Only allows Up to 10 visitors from up to 3 households in gardens
    Up to 100 guests for wedding ceremony and reception
    Up to 100 patrons; Up to 200 patrons permitted for larger indoor venues.

    Up to 200 patrons for majority of venues; Up to 500 patrons for outdoor stadia or other fixed outdoor venues with a minimum accredited capacity of 5000

    So with a fully vaccinated country even in the best case scenario this is the scale of ambition for the country

    What absolute joke of figures


  • #315
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    Our buck stood there sneering at us, painted it negatively as "another two months of lockdown"....the power to tell people what to do.

    That's the teacher in him shining through!


  • #316
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    niallo27 wrote: »
    In fairness nphet have been clear, cases are going up, lock everything down for months, any other ideas, no just lock everything down for months. So thats all you have, yes lock it all down.

    Yet they advised to (cautiously) re-open schools.


  • #317
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    In fairness nphet have been clear, cases are going up, lock everything down for months, any other ideas, no just lock everything down for months. So thats all you have, yes lock it all down. What a pointless waste of money that group is and the worst thing is they are seen as hero's by so many, bit like the Catholic Church for many.

    I've actually long thought that Covid has, for a lot of people (particularly those given to zealotry), replaced the place in their lives and in society where religion used to be.

    There's the Godhead itself, the virus, which they've put in the centre of their lives.

    Then there's the high priests - NPHET - criticism of whom is heresy.

    There's even a catechism and a set of Commandments - the restrictions - and every so often there's a Vatican II and the format of the Mass changes.

    We used to chant the Pater noster ("flatten the curve!"), but then the high priests changed it to the Our Father ("the next two weeks are critical!"). We used to greet the sign of peace with And Also With You ("the vaccines probably won't work!") but that got changed to And With Your Spirit ("the vaccines won't work against the New Variant!").

    And with each change the high priests made, the congregations went along with, even when the changes - and sometimes even the priests - contradicted each other.

    There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that had the sort of people with the fluttering curtains, and the jabbing forefinger stabbing out 1850 715 815, puce of face, thin of lip, ready to tell Father Duffy about the harlot in their community who displayed insufficient Covid piety would have been first in the queue to be hurling stones and insults at teenage single mothers had they been born sixty years previously.

    We're not as far removed from the days of the Church as we think we are.


  • #318
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    In Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon has announced that restrictions will be eased gradually, but certainly no earlier than April. This has been greeted with general relief and a sense of optimism, and that the worst is over.

    In Britain, Boris Johnson has announced that restrictions will be eased gradually, but certainly no earlier than April. This has been greeted with general relief and a sense of optimism, and that the worst is over.

    In Ireland, Micheál Martin has literally delivered the exact same message, and it's been greeted with disgust and outrage.

    Why the difference?

    Well, the first two delivered it as "the roadmap to easing restrictions, starting after next month".

    Our buck stood there sneering at us, painted it negatively as "another two months of lockdown", and generally gave the impression that he's thoroughly enjoying every moment of having the power to tell people what to do.

    Our government has delivered an earlier reopening of the economy than in Scotland or England but because of the utterly contemptuous attitude of the Taoiseach, his doom-and-gloom messaging, and the transforming of restrictions from something we're doing into something we're ordered to do, he's caused a collapse in morale.

    There's a reason why, when invited three times to elect Micheál Martin as our Taoiseach, the Irish people politely demurred each time. We're seeing it now.

    I still find it extraordinary that this clown had nowhere near enough backing of the public to become Taoiseach and yet....


  • #319
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    In Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon has announced that restrictions will be eased gradually, but certainly no earlier than April. This has been greeted with general relief and a sense of optimism, and that the worst is over.

    In Britain, Boris Johnson has announced that restrictions will be eased gradually, but certainly no earlier than April. This has been greeted with general relief and a sense of optimism, and that the worst is over.

    In Ireland, Micheál Martin has literally delivered the exact same message, and it's been greeted with disgust and outrage.

    Why the difference?

    Well, the first two delivered it as "the roadmap to easing restrictions, starting after next month".

    Our buck stood there sneering at us, painted it negatively as "another two months of lockdown", and generally gave the impression that he's thoroughly enjoying every moment of having the power to tell people what to do.

    Our government has delivered an earlier reopening of the economy than in Scotland or England but because of the utterly contemptuous attitude of the Taoiseach, his doom-and-gloom messaging, and the transforming of restrictions from something we're doing into something we're ordered to do, he's caused a collapse in morale.

    There's a reason why, when invited three times to elect Micheál Martin as our Taoiseach, the Irish people politely demurred each time. We're seeing it now.

    The difference is that in one place there is a plan, in the other a "we'll see later".
    How is ireland going to reopen the economy earlier than scotland or england?


  • #320
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    some stats from gov document

    Yourmentalhealth.ie had nearly 1.5million visits in 2020, an increase of 69% from 2019, with content specific to minding your mental health during COVID-19 being the most visited.

    Over 33,000 conversations hosted on text50808, which is now averaging >5,000 conversations per month – presenting themes are anxiety (40%), depression (32%) and suicide/self-harm (20%).
    (no comparsion data pre covid)

    My Mind have delivered 10,256 free online counselling sessions since June 2020 and Turn2me.ie delivered 5,206 free online counselling sessions in 2020.
    (no comparsion data from pre covid or even pre june)

    There were over 33,000 mental health service video consultations hosted between Attend Anywhere (16,931) and Blue Eye Direct (13,280) in 2020.
    (again no comparsion data pre covid)

    Usage of the Attend Anywhere platform continues to grow and 7,259 mental health video
    consultations were hosted in January 2021 alone.
    (no data on those persons,which a lack of face to face in person sessions negates positive outcomes)

    .And still no data on self harm, depression, mental health hospitilisations or outpatient appointments, day services attendance, attempted suicide or suicide to compare pre march 2020

    No data...government


  • #321
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,082 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    No real change in retail next month even if they go to Level 4 + or minus

    Essential retail and
    businesses that are
    primarily outdoors
    only. All other retail
    and personal services
    closed.

    So we will need to get to level 3 to have a haircut or non essential retail

    May the very earliest for that no doubt


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  • #322
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,293 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I've actually long thought that Covid has, for a lot of people (particularly those given to zealotry), replaced the place in their lives and in society where religion used to be.

    There's the Godhead itself, the virus, which they've put in the centre of their lives.

    Then there's the high priests - NPHET - criticism of whom is heresy.

    There's even a catechism and a set of Commandments - the restrictions - and every so often there's a Vatican II and the format of the Mass changes.

    We used to chant the Pater noster ("flatten the curve!"), but then the high priests changed it to the Our Father ("the next two weeks are critical!"). We used to greet the sign of peace with And Also With You ("the vaccines probably won't work!") but that got changed to And With Your Spirit ("the vaccines won't work against the New Variant!").

    And with each change the high priests made, the congregations went along with, even when the changes - and sometimes even the priests - contradicted each other.

    There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that had the sort of people with the fluttering curtains, and the jabbing forefinger stabbing out 1850 715 815, puce of face, thin of lip, ready to tell Father Duffy about the harlot in their community who displayed insufficient Covid piety would have been first in the queue to be hurling stones and insults at teenage single mothers had they been born sixty years previously.

    We're not as far removed from the days of the Church as we think we are.

    Ah here. Time to log out. Such utter cr@p.
    :rolleyes:


  • #323
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    The difference is that in one place there is a plan, in the other a "we'll see later".
    How is ireland going to reopen the economy earlier than scotland or england?

    Well, I wouldn't say it's exactly likely, but England could make such a balls of it with schools that they end up delayed for a month or two.


  • #324
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Abit of topic but Whats essential??. Late late show, ..tommy tiernan, primtime? Tv3 tonight etc??. The news is yes 100%..3 hours even but these shows only flatter, exagerate, pontificate, deceive and obfuscate. I think these eejits need to justify why they get to wheel guests on week after week in an effort to stay relavant, whilst we hold firm....no audience reinforces the idea that you the public are at fault..not to be trusted...we speak...you listen..we collect...they are far from essential workers..


  • #325
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    The difference is that in one place there is a plan, in the other a "we'll see later".
    How is ireland going to reopen the economy earlier than scotland or england?

    Well our schools are partly reopening from Monday and (I don't think?) theirs are opening until next month.
    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Ah here. Time to log out. Such utter cr@p.
    :rolleyes:

    I always look forward to reading your erudite and witty contributions on the discussion about the major events of the day.


  • #326
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    the media will be delighted with the further restrictions all that click bait leading to extra advertising revenue


  • #327
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Have the just shifted the levels up ie what was level 2 last time is now level 1?
    For flips sake at least have a level zero then that represents a normal functioning society and economy.

    And ps dear government/nphet would you ever check the science research out there...research papers show singing not anymore a safety issue than talking.. unless your screaming at near 100decibels which in that case you are probably meters upon meters away from the source ;)


  • #328
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    PmMeUrDogs wrote:
    ..Surely they could have allowed people to meet a household outside for social activity? Just one? Id kill to meet my friend for a walk but I can't because I live with someone else :/

    Under current restrictions people are able to meet up with another household or individual for the purpose of exercise. Go meet up with your friend for a walk.


  • #329
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,304 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I've actually long thought that Covid has, for a lot of people (particularly those given to zealotry), replaced the place in their lives and in society where religion used to be.

    There's the Godhead itself, the virus, which they've put in the centre of their lives.

    Then there's the high priests - NPHET - criticism of whom is heresy.

    There's even a catechism and a set of Commandments - the restrictions - and every so often there's a Vatican II and the format of the Mass changes.

    We used to chant the Pater noster ("flatten the curve!"), but then the high priests changed it to the Our Father ("the next two weeks are critical!"). We used to greet the sign of peace with And Also With You ("the vaccines probably won't work!") but that got changed to And With Your Spirit ("the vaccines won't work against the New Variant!").

    And with each change the high priests made, the congregations went along with, even when the changes - and sometimes even the priests - contradicted each other.

    There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that had the sort of people with the fluttering curtains, and the jabbing forefinger stabbing out 1850 715 815, puce of face, thin of lip, ready to tell Father Duffy about the harlot in their community who displayed insufficient Covid piety would have been first in the queue to be hurling stones and insults at teenage single mothers had they been born sixty years previously.

    We're not as far removed from the days of the Church as we think we are.

    Whatever your fantasy is it doesnt suit most of us.


  • #330
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Funny under the new 'plan' at Level 1 which is something we didn't even achieve last year

    Only allows Up to 10 visitors from up to 3 households in gardens
    Up to 100 guests for wedding ceremony and reception
    Up to 100 patrons; Up to 200 patrons permitted for larger indoor venues.

    Up to 200 patrons for majority of venues; Up to 500 patrons for outdoor stadia or other fixed outdoor venues with a minimum accredited capacity of 5000

    So with a fully vaccinated country even in the best case scenario this is the scale of ambition for the country

    What absolute joke of figures

    I'd ignore all of that to be honest. They've not changed it and with the population vaccinated there would be no reason to have said limits


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  • #331
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    speckle wrote: »
    Have the just shifted the levels up ie what was level 2 last time is now level 1?
    For flips sake at least have a level zero then that is a nirmal functioning society and economy.

    And ps dear government/nphet would you ever check the science research out there...research papers show singing not anymore a safety issue than talking.. unless your screaming at near 100decibels which in that case you are probably meters upon meters away from the source ;)

    I checked the old levels they are pretty much the same


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