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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #242
    Dubit11
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭Dubit11


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    MaryLou straight into the foreign travel haha.

    She is obsessed and knows what wins the hearts and minds of the populists

    A politician that appeals to the populists, well i never.


  • #243
    Dubit11
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭Dubit11


    Bigfatmichael wrote: »
    Disgusting from Mehole Martin and the government.

    Level 5 till April, what about then?

    What about then? They've been winging it just like the majority of countries on the planet.


  • #244
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    lawred2 wrote: »
    it's a reckless statement... it quite clearly carries a connotation that existing vaccines may not work for a "new virus"

    If he did an McConkey on it then it's reckless and irresponsible. I didn't listen to his speech. I don't think it's an unfair metaphor or whatever the term is to use. Other public health officials have used it in a manner to try to illustrate that the situation now has to be treated and assessed differently to how it would have been before. That's the point of describing it as a new virus. Every metaphor and analogy has limitations but I think the trade off here is an acceptable one. You really do have to make a big leap to automatically assume the vaccine doesn't work because of that statement.


  • #245
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,082 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    A nothing speech from Martin

    No plan
    No hope

    Rinse and repeat on April 5th

    Funny one part of the speech was easing of restrictions will be in three or four weeks inbetween

    That will mean 4 as NPHET wanted last year

    April 5th after May Bank Holiday
    After May Holiday to after June one

    Very convenient

    Thats 4 bank holidays wasted again this year with nothing open and nowhere to go

    Depressing times ahead


  • #246
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    MaryLou straight into the foreign travel haha.

    She is obsessed and knows what wins the hearts and minds of the populists

    Somebody should ask her whether she knows Ireland is a member of the EU! and no other country imposes enforced hotel quarantine.

    Most other EU countries and the UK are, planning (with dates), or have already reopened foreign travel within a test criteria to certain destinations. Meanwhile we are still pushing ahead with mandatory quarantine and opposition parties calling for the list to be even further extended. It's beggars belief really. we seem intent on destroying our hospitable & welcoming image, our tourism sector, our economy and our vital links as an island to the rest of the world.


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  • #247
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Turtwig wrote: »

    The past you that would have still be doing it's part is
    You haven't done your part yet. That's the reality.

    To say that to someone who's followed restrictions for nearly a year, and who's finally struggling enough to consider giving up, is insulting.


    Every single person who followed restrictions has done their part.


  • #248
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    This might have meant something 12 months ago but a year into this it's absolute crap.

    It is no longer acceptable for people to be told that they will be at fault for living after a year of pathetic government mismanagement.

    They have had 12 months to get on top of this, to sort out hospital and nursing home transmission. To sort out travel. Our taoiseach just gave a national address where he wouldnt even announce a plan.

    The problems which lockdown is causing are now greater than the benefits it provides. The elderly and vulnerable will be vaccinated soon. Time to move on.

    No it's absolute crap to think otherwise. If everyone moves on as you wish them to then nobody can move on. We get stuck in a perpetual sh1t hole.

    It'd be nice if those whinging about their own desires to live their life could appreciate that the people still complying, still sacrificing will be compounded to more misery. If they can't appreciate that then they're being delusional.

    Blame the goverment by all means. But don't deny that its our collective actions that will determine how fast we get out of this mess.


  • #249
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭quartz1


    We can analyse everything all day long but a lot of non political ordinary people are sick to death of this Government and if only a small proportion of them remember this period at the ballot these three Parties will pay a price.

    Majority of people are doing their best but the Politicians are not.


  • #250
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Should be in a good position in June given how effective the vaccines are

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1364287866474487809


  • #251
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,082 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    marno21 wrote: »
    Lads the reduction in AstraZeneca would see us getting 990k from AstraZeneca in Q2

    The plan sees us getting 4.5m doses of which 818k is AstraZeneca. So the AstraZeneca fall is already overcompensated for in the plan.

    This will make a huge difference. We should be where the UK will be in mid June in early august.

    The end is near

    Is that not on top of the shortfall in Q1?

    Good news if the new reduction isn't significant for our plan


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  • #252
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Why can't he just call it a variant? What does describing it as "like a new virus" achieve?

    It’s getting the excuses in early. As it is a new virus, it can’t be planned for and anything that goes wrong is not the governments fault. That is why they are relentlessly pushing the new virus angle. It’s easier than proper planning.


  • #253
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    To say that to someone who's followed restrictions for nearly a year, and who's finally struggling enough to consider giving up, is insulting.


    Every single person who followed restrictions has done their part.

    The poster stated they were finished. I'm taking them on their word.

    They're no longer doing their part and others will now have to pick up the slack for them. If everyone does what that poster intends to do everything goes to sh1t.

    If that's an insult then I can't really apologise.

    I just want that poster to consider the impact their actions will have on others and the experience they're going through. It's not just one lens this should be looked at through.

    If you want people to empathise with your situation and to a point I do with his or her frustration but I expect him to empathise with the fact that others are going to be left in a deeper frustration because of his or her own actions.


  • #254
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Just remember this:

    The past you that would have still be doing it's part is now going to have to do its part for even longer than it would originally have. The people who are still doing their part will have to do it for longer to compensate for you. If everyone follows your lead the infection resurges, people die, people with other health conditions get their treatments deferred, people reliant on covid support schemes have to stay on them for much longer, businesses go even further extinct. Everythings stay sh1t and get's even worse.

    You haven't done your part yet. That's the reality.

    Genuine Question.

    Are you happy enough with the details of the plan now that it’s been released?


  • #255
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    SPDUB wrote: »
    45 Deaths

    575 Cases

    TV3


    Are those numbers about right with swabs or is there a backlog happening. Are we seeing more progress.


  • #256
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I see all the armchair epidemiologists are out again.


  • #257
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    Genuine Question.

    Are you happy enough with the details of the plan now that it’s been released?

    What plan?

    Thats just a how we might em maybe eh get schools back


  • #258
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Is that not on top of the shortfall in Q1?

    Good news if the new reduction isn't significant for our plan

    From my reading of the document in isolation:

    180m doses were planned to EU in Q2 (1.98m for Ireland)
    90m doses now (990k for Ireland)
    818k in the document


  • #259
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


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  • #260
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,292 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    A lot of Hail Mary passes straight to Ronan on the questions in this presser.


  • #261
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,391 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    41 days until 5th April, no optimism or plan in place at all, like when they had the vaccines sitting for days in fridges when they arrived first.


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  • #262
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    Genuine Question.

    Are you happy enough with the details of the plan now that it’s been released?

    I think it's farcical. It doesn't change our situation though. This is really one of those things where we kind of have to do it independent of the government.
    I just disagree with that meaning we should try to revert to our normal lives as I fear that would be catastrophic.


  • #263
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Taoiseach said March 5th for universal detention and the prohibition of business to begin to be eased.

    If he is not able to deliver that, he should resign.

    It's time to go, Taoiseach. You've lost the plot, and you've now lost the people.


  • #264
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I see all the armchair epidemiologists are out again.

    Yes. One of them appears to be Micheál "it's actually a brand new virus" Martin.


  • #265
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Not really seeing how people’s actions will determine much when it comes to relaxation of restrictions at this stage. At this stage it’s almost completely down to the speed of getting people vaccinated and there’s nothing most of us can do but take it when our turn comes.


  • #266
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    Yes. One of them appears to be Micheál "it's actually a brand new virus" Martin.

    It’s more accurate than those here who act like it’s irrelevant just because they can’t go for a pint.


  • #267
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I see all the armchair epidemiologists are out again.


    A great observation on Micheal Martin describing the B.1.1.7 as effectively a new virus. Well played!


  • #268
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    They're opening schools and letting 30 children mingle in a classroom while telling people the new variant is so dangerous we can't consider fully opening construction (which isn't closed anywhere else) or let people go for a walk or cycle more than 5km from their homes. Oh, and people are still flying in from abroad with minimal control.

    Blaming people engaging in low risk activities isn't going to fly anymore.

    Why do you think schools are being phased so cautiously? It's unknown whether this new variant spreads easier among children. My understanding is that it doesn't but it's not a closed question. Others on this thread have stated that it does. They don't really have to choice but see how case numbers go when the schools reopen. If as the original UK suggestion was that this variant spreads more easily in adolescents then schools could become a bigger challenge than before.

    I agree re outdoor stuff btw.


  • #269
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Faugheen wrote: »
    It’s more accurate than those here who act like it’s irrelevant just because they can’t go for a pint.

    can you point us to all those?


  • #270
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,391 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Having a game of golf is not ok but teachers and children sitting inside a classroom for 7 hours a day is ok, yes that makes sense.


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  • #271
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://twitter.com/NoelRock/status/1364291757391949833


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