Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Hellrazer · 23-02-2021 07:37PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Wait...where is the 'living with covid' plan?

Its filed with Living with Covid Part 1 in some old metal filing cabinet in the Dail.

Monster249 · 23-02-2021 07:37PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I read posts similar to this coming up to xmas - and look what happened then?

So lets say we go with your approach, and the numbers start going up again to 500+ a day - what do we do then? 300 a day to 500 a day could happen fairly quick with a full society open

When we opened last Summer that didn't happen. Christmas was the worst possible result of that. To answer your question, we do nothing because we'll have all over 50s vaccinated by the time numbers would be creeping up again so why would we do anything at that stage? Death will happen but once we've vaccinated people we just have to deal with it, that isn't even an argument.

23-02-2021 07:38PM

Wouldn't it be better to at least experiment with opening up something?

For example: opening up hairdressers / extend distance beyond 5km etc., and monitor for 2-weeks. If cases keep going down, move onto the next etc., and so on.

To keep everything closed until the first week of April is extreme.

People say that we are not aiming for a zero-COVID strategy. In practical terms, is there much difference?

Foxhound38 · 23-02-2021 07:38PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ah will you stop with this nonsense...

We are done entertaining this kind of codology.

We didn't surge last June when we opened up...we won't surge now, we have had our 6 week surge the numbers are hovering at about 700 cases per day, that'll drop to 400-500 in March...there will be virtually no one in hospital.

Which part of any of this is nonsense?

We surged after christmas (if you desperately want a stick to beat the government with, that's the one) - that is why we are where we are at the moment.

Silentcorner wrote: »

The new variant is just a new stick to whip us with, but clearly, a lot of people aren't buying this nonsense any longer.

A new stick to whip you with? Do you think anyone is enjoying this, or anyone is really gaining anything beyond keeping the cases managable from this? You reckon the leaders of governments across the globe are sitting there stroking white cats thinking "how can we further destroy our economies and inflict hardship on our populations muhahaha".

Grow up ffs

RobitTV · 23-02-2021 07:38PM

https://twitter.com/olivercallan/status/1364276453085437956

Monster249 · 23-02-2021 07:39PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Are you a virologist? Do you get personal briefings from NPHET on the mutations??

Ironically the country that the variant is named after don't seem to be too scared by it

thebaz · 23-02-2021 07:39PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Wait...where is the 'living with covid' plan?

Wish they would at least name it correctly - Living in a never-ending lockdown plan -

If you call that living.

We really should be trying to live with Covid - Vaccinate , the vulnerable / shield the vulnerable - and let those that want to live start to actually live. Encourage people outdoors, but no lock us up for another month, the answer to everything, I can't stand Martins dithering leadership, but the Opposition seam equally inept.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 23-02-2021 07:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wouldn't it be better to at least experiment with opening up something?

For example: opening up hairdressers / extend distance beyond 5km etc., and monitor for 2-weeks. If cases keep going down, move onto the next etc., and so on.

To keep everything closed until the first week of April is extreme.

No..it's gone beyond that now. Everything needs to open.

23-02-2021 07:39PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

.
However they will only listen when the people take to the streets and unless this protest has upwards of 50k it will have zero effect.

You can imagine RTE's report if 50,000 showed up:

"As fear spreads through the country regarding the 'almost new virus variant', 50 or so people gathered today in the capital to protest current health and safety measures. Gardai were forced to make some arrests, describing the small group as 'right-wing extremists'.

Stay tuned as after the break we bring you the latest case and death numbers".

:pac:

Hellrazer · 23-02-2021 07:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You can imagine RTE's report if 50,000 showed up:

"As fear spreads through the country regarding the 'almost new virus variant', 50 or so people gathered today in the capital to protest current health and safety measures. Gardai were forced to make some arrests, describing the small group as 'right-wing extremists'.

Stay tuned as after the break we bring you the latest case and death numbers".

Or else it would be "50,000 people fined for breaking covid -19 legislation in Dublin!!!"

Now sports!!

ypres5 · 23-02-2021 07:41PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Are you a virologist? Do you get personal briefings from NPHET on the mutations??

well nphet should share their findings with the world because no one else has said it's almost like a new virus so either they're lying or they don't know what they're talking about

themacattack. · 23-02-2021 07:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't it be better to at least experiment with opening up something?

For example: opening up hairdressers / extend distance beyond 5km etc., and monitor for 2-weeks. If cases keep going down, move onto the next etc., and so on.

To keep everything closed until the first week of April is extreme.

People say that we are not aiming for a zero-COVID strategy. In practical terms, is there much difference?

why would you attempt something practical like this?thats some kind of sorcery there you speak of friend

MOH · 23-02-2021 07:44PM

So the detailed plan is ..... schools are going back.
There's also a mention of increased (or starting) checks Garda on people quarantining at home after travel, so that's only about 8 months too late.

That seems to be about it.

VinLieger · 23-02-2021 07:44PM

People are simply going to stop obeying the restrictions en masse and the government have nobody to blame but themselves at this stage. Theyve arsed this up since October and been trying to cover for their mistakes by blaming pubs and other sectors for their shambolic handling of the situation since then.

23-02-2021 07:44PM

themacattack. wrote: »

why would you attempt something practical like this?thats some kind of sorcery there you speak of friend

I just find the lack of logic shocking.

Imagine if hairdressers were re-opened from tomorrow. Would that really cause a spike in numbers?

Staff and customers wearing masks. Always washing hands. Appointment only.

It seems absolutely bizarre to me that something as mild as this, far milder than visiting the local Tesco, is outlawed.

Why has evidence gotten thrown out the window? Plenty of European countries have hairdressers opened and they didn't cause any spikes.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-02-2021 07:45PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I read posts similar to this coming up to xmas - and look what happened then?

So lets say we go with your approach, and the numbers start going up again to 500+ a day - what do we do then? 300 a day to 500 a day could happen fairly quick with a full society open

The government knows the country can not open up with cases anywhere near triple figures per day.

To keep a lid on a new surge like occurred at Christmas for any meangingful length of time cases would have to be really low, low double digits at the most.

Otherwise the same scenario occurs only this time, what some posters ignore or are simply not in tune of, is that the next lockdown in that scenario will see out the year.

That's why under no circumstances is the govt going to just throw away progress.

We need to get over harsh lockdowns which is what the strategy is everywhere by reducing transmission and in to the longer term changes required for society to live alongside the disease in the coming years also with regular vaccinations. The "new normal" so to speak as much as I detest the term.

17larsson · 23-02-2021 07:45PM

"if transmission of the virus is acceptable levels on the 5th April the following restrictions will be looked at"

What level is this??

"some easing of outdoor restrictions"

Which ones??

"some easing of construction"

Which parts??

aaaaaaaggghhhh

RobitTV · 23-02-2021 07:46PM

People are furious this time. They government may have just awakened something ugly.

No plan or strategy. Mixed with anger and fatigue.

retro:electro · 23-02-2021 07:46PM

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 23-02-2021 07:46PM

So the plan for living with covid is keeping everyone locked down and afraid. Ya know, that's not actually "living"... or a "plan".

They need to be pulled out of government by their ears.

Multipass · 23-02-2021 07:46PM

ypres5 wrote: »

well nphet should share their findings with the world because no one else has said it's almost like a new virus so either they're lying or they don't know what they're talking about

For all the talk of protecting the vulnerable, who is protecting the mentally vulnerable from the scaremongering lies and exaggerations of our own government. Some people will be frightened, believing that there is a scary whole new virus stalking us. He could push people over the edge, it’s completely irresponsible.
I hope to god no children were watching.

ypres5 · 23-02-2021 07:47PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The government knows the country can not open up with cases anywhere near triple figures per day.

To keep a lid on a new surge like occurred at Christmas for any meangingful length of time cases would have to be really low, low double digits at the most.

Otherwise the same scenario occurs only this time, what some posters ignore or are simply not in tune of, is that the next lockdown in that scenario will see out the year.

That's why under no circumstances is the govt going to just throw away progress.

We need to get over harsh lockdowns which is what the strategy is everywhere by reducing transmission and in to the longer term changes required for society to live along the disease in the coming years. The "new normal" so to speak as much as I detest the term.

*mod snip - attack the post, not the poster*

retro:electro · 23-02-2021 07:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You can imagine RTE's report if 50,000 showed up:

"As fear spreads through the country regarding the 'almost new virus variant', 50 or so people gathered today in the capital to protest current health and safety measures. Gardai were forced to make some arrests, describing the small group as 'right-wing extremists'.

Stay tuned as after the break we bring you the latest case and death numbers".

:pac:

Oh yeah for sure. Mark my words if the protests do get any coverage, RTE will make sure to interview the most fringe extremists and a few Covid deniers to try and make the whole thing look as pathetic as and unsupported as possible.

23-02-2021 07:48PM

Why was the report called Living with COVID?

This is about as close to Running Away from COVID as you could possibly get!

Bigfatmichael · 23-02-2021 07:48PM

I see protests are starting to be organized already, and rightfully so.

MOH · 23-02-2021 07:48PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Wait...where is the 'living with covid' plan?

It's at the bottom of this page.

I was tempted to rickroll you there, to be honest it would have been as useful as the "plan".

Direct PDF link

But from a quick skim through it, there's nothing actually concrete beyond schools going back and increased Garda presence including checks on travellers home quarantining.
Everything else is just keeping the status quo, or meaningless waffle.

23-02-2021 07:50PM

Multipass wrote: »

For all the talk of protecting the vulnerable, who is protecting the mentally vulnerable from the scaremongering lies and exaggerations of our own government. Some people will be frightened, believing that there is a scary whole new virus stalking us. He could push people over the edge, it’s completely irresponsible.
I hope to god no children were watching.

This is a real stretch for gods sake

We're all disappointed, tired and feeling it but I really think that we have to start challenging the people running a mile with the hardships of it too because its not helping the efforts and its fuel to the fire of those seeking justification to damage the efforts

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 23-02-2021 07:50PM

PPAP wrote: »

Sure look at Sweden

They should all be dead with that new virus Michael alludes to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQnR_JHjUU

Everyone in that video is now dead.

Ace2007 · 23-02-2021 07:51PM

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

So the plan for living with covid is keeping everyone locked down and afraid. Ya know, that's not actually "living"... or a "plan".

They need to be pulled out of government by their ears.

Who do you replace them with? No other party will go into government with SF so we are left with no government, which means the current government stay in power.

Coillte_Bhoy · 23-02-2021 07:51PM

RobitTV wrote: »

People are furious this time. They government may have just awakened something ugly.

No plan or strategy. Mixed with anger and fatigue.

*Mod Snip - attack the post, not the poster*

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Comments

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings