Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Coillte_Bhoy

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

People who are sick of restrictions and todays announcement is the last straw, this is spreading like wildfire now on social media.

Doubt it will attract a big crowd tbh, where on social media? i havent spotted anything

Coillte_Bhoy

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Who's 'everyone'?

You and Kermit need to lead the protest. RTE will describe us as a "group of Muppets" :pac:


That's a joke, guys. Thread getting heated.

Silentcorner

An Ri rua wrote: »

Thank you for your service (I presume you're a doctor at least and hopefy a viral infections specialist and God forbid not just a sh1tetalker)?

Ah, another poster who can't argue a point so has to try winding me up.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Wait that's level one?!

Good jesus.

And even worse, contrasting Level 4 with Level 5 shows no appreciable improvement whatsoever.

Two of the benefits include having an extra 15 mourners at funerals and having up to 15 patrons outside eating at restaurants.

Beyond that, there is almost no difference.

An Ri rua

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here is one of your brave hero’s

https://mobile.twitter.com/wwwandrewrynne/status/1360726319458381825

After reading that, I'm off to have a glass of diluted lethal toxin.

And the password is Cheers, tinfoilhatters!

Necro

Silentcorner wrote: »

You told me to grow up.
Yes, I do think these severe lock downs are inhumane.

If we were fighting a deadly disease that culled 10,000 s of us in the last year, you could understand it, but it too a few hundred, and impacted in a further 3,800 deaths to some degree or another.

If we were fighting a virus that packed our hospitals out for 12 months I might see the need, but we have 11,000 hospital beds, outside of our two surges, we are seeing 400 or less Covid patients....

This is an hysterical over reaction driven by fear of a mild but unpleasant virus.

Mod:

You can take that sort of nonsense to the conspiracy theory forum, thanks.

manutd

manutd wrote: »

Level 1 of the new plan



Only allows Up to 10 visitors from up to 3 households
Up to 100 guests for wedding ceremony and reception
Up to 100 patrons; Up to 200 patrons permitted for larger indoor venues.

Up to 200 patrons for majority of venues; Up to 500 patrons for outdoor stadia or other fixed outdoor venues with a minimum accredited capacity of 5000

Not much of a Level 1.

Is that not what it always was?

How Soon Is Now

PPAP wrote: »

The same was said to William Wallace

It's a day out, free and has live music, what's not to like?

Exactly a waste of time.

The government won't bat an eyelid the only people you're putting out are the Guards who will probably have to work overtime to be there.

MOH

"4.1.1 Framework of Restrictive Measures contained in the Plan for Living with COVID-19
The Framework has allowed for greater clarity, certainty and consistency in the application of measures
and allowed individuals, families, businesses and services to better understand, anticipate and prepare
for potential measures."

These people are actually insane.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

francogarbanzo wrote: »

How is that a conspiracy? For the vast, vast majority of people, the virus is not severe.

I see it first hand people presenting themselves to the emergency department saying they have covid...yeah..well done..go home.

It's rare enough anyone goes up to ICU but when it happens it's pretty awful to see a ventilator in action.

RobitTV

Wales:

Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford has indicated the non-essential shops and hairdressers in Wales could start a phased re-opening from March 15.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

You told me to grow up.
Yes, I do think these severe lock downs are inhumane.

If we were fighting a deadly disease that culled 10,000 s of us in the last year, you could understand it, but it too a few hundred, and impacted in a further 3,800 deaths to some degree or another.

If we were fighting a virus that packed our hospitals out for 12 months I might see the need, but we have 11,000 hospital beds, outside of our two surges, we are seeing 400 or less Covid patients....

This is an hysterical over reaction driven by fear of a mild but unpleasant virus.

Shur the hosp. staff are dancing around the place full blown madness it is and utterly disrespectful. A joke

Ace2007

RobitTV wrote: »

Wales:

Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford has indicated the non-essential shops and hairdressers in Wales could start a phased re-opening from March 15.

Why are they waiting till 15 March? why not open them tomorrow?

Also care to provide a source to this statement - anything I search for isn't definite unlike what you are implying especially putting it in bold

paw patrol

Russman wrote: »

I commend you for your honesty, but even in the bizarre world of the restrictions thread, that’s one of the more disgusting and selfish comments I’ve read.

You kinda proved my point. But that's ok.
I don't have the arrogance to assume everybody will agree with me but if wanting a life more than this existence makes me selfish and disgusting then I'm good with that.

growleaves wrote: »

I doubt if he believes in your Lynsenkoist predictions of mass death.

spot on.

Stheno

Deleted User wrote: »

Is that not what it always was?

Yep

From September

Matches and events

A maximum of 100 spectators can attend indoor matches or games.

A maximum of 200 spectators can attend outdoor matches or games.

Up to 500 spectators can attend outdoor stadia or other fixed outdoor venues with a minimum accredited capacity of 5,000.

For very large purpose built event facilities (for example: stadia, auditoriums, conference or event centres) specific guidance will be developed with the relevant sectors to take account of size and different conditions for events such as large national and international sporting events.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/6508e-level-1/

ArthurDayne

An Ri rua wrote: »

Thank you for your service (I presume you're a doctor at least and hopefully a viral infections specialist and God forbid not just a sh1tetalker)?

OK, this one really grates me. What general material difference does it make if he is a viral infections specialist or not? You might have to be an expert of some description to collate / present medical or healthcare data — you don’t necessarily need to be an expert to analyse the data. Whether the person you are responding to has analysed whatever data they looked at with sound rationale or not, the fact that they aren’t an expert does not render their point invariably not worth listening to.

Remember when the viral infection specialists predicted between 80,000-120,000 deaths in Ireland? Link: https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/coronavirus-irish-threat-covid19-deaths

I remember saying that figure was ridiculous a year ago and got the same treatment from peers as you are dishing out now — “What would you know?”. I’m all for not being anti-intellectual, I’m sure people like Sam McConkey are very well qualified and their expertise certainly adds weight.
But being an ‘expert’ does not render anyone infallible, nor does it render void the opinions of others who take time to analyse data which experts drum up, nor — above all else — does not being an ‘expert’ mean that you are utterly incapable of being right in challenging an expert. The most sound form of appreciation for expertise means respecting the opinions of experts, but also the willingness to question why they get things get wrong.

JDxtra

Ace2007 wrote: »

Why are they waiting till 15 March? why not open them tomorrow?

A firm date in a reasonable time frame is far better than the "we'll see" approach in Ireland.

Beechwoodspark

From my family and friends whatsapp - over 80 ppl currently - the vast majority are resigned to another few months of restrictions

Some mild grumblings but lots of positive comments towards MM - contrary to some other posts the govt has not “lost the people” what ever the hell that supposedly means

Silentcorner

ArthurDayne wrote: »

OK, this one really grates me. What general material difference does it make if he is a viral infections specialist or not? You might have to be an expert of some description to collate / present medical or healthcare data — you don’t necessarily need to be an expert to analyse the data. Whether the person you are responding to has analysed whatever data they looked at with sound rationale or not, the fact that they aren’t

Remember when the viral infection specialists predicted between 80,000-120,000 deaths in Ireland? Link: https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/coronavirus-irish-threat-covid19-deaths

I remember saying that figure was ridiculous a year ago and got the same treatment from peers as you are dishing out now — “What would you know?”. I’m all for not being anti-intellectual, I’m sure people like Sam McConkey are very well qualified and their expertise certainly adds weight.
But being an ‘expert’ does not render anyone infallible, nor does it render void the opinions of others who take time to analyse data which experts drum up, nor — above all else — does not being an ‘expert’ mean that you are utterly incapable of being right in challenging an expert. The most sound form of appreciation for expertise means respecting the opinions of experts, but also the willingness to question why they get things get wrong.

He is on a wind up and getting away with it!

Necro

Whatsisname wrote: »

It was literally published in the UK governments road map document yesterday that it’s a mild virus.



Page 63
[url] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963491/COVID-19_Response_-_Spring_2021.pdf[/url]

Weird that that’s supposedly a conspiracy theory?

Mod:

Key point you're missing there is -

but it is more dangerous to vulnerable groups.

My PM inbox is open if you want to discuss this further, do not derail the thread any further

Ace2007

JDxtra wrote: »

A firm date in a reasonable time frame is far better than the "we'll see" approach in Ireland.

But it's not a firm date - I went looking for the source, they state it's possible, and that hairdressers might be included. Basically we are going to wait and see where things are in 3 weeks time.

Folk here want the economy open now, and then post that Wales might do something in 3 weeks time as if we should be

RobitTV

Ace2007 wrote: »

Why are they waiting till 15 March? why not open them tomorrow?

Also care to provide a source to this statement - anything I search for isn't definite unlike what you are implying especially putting it in bold

Link

Down the page

Silentcorner

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

From my family and friends whatsapp - over 80 ppl currently - the vast majority are resigned to another few months of restrictions

Some mild grumblings but lots of positive comments towards MM - contrary to some other posts the govt has not “lost the people” what ever the hell that supposedly means

It means Martin has lost a percentage of the people...it might only be 20% or 30% but he has lost them, these are people who are no longer going to abide by the restrictions...

The next few months will be interesting as the numbers drop, the evenings get longer...where the healthiest place to be is outside, how many will stick to the 5km limit!!!

It will be a lot more than 20-30% I guessing.

Kermit.de.frog

gansi wrote: »

Shur the hosp. staff are dancing around the place full blown madness it is and utterly disrespectful. A joke

I agree with that and I'm surprised the hospitals didn't instruct staff early on (that I know of) not to do that either on hospital grounds or in medical gear because it is disrespectful and inappropriate.

It also undermines their own messaging for the public.

Charles Babbage

Silentcorner wrote: »

If we were fighting a virus that packed our hospitals out for 12 months I might see the need, but we have 11,000 hospital beds, outside of our two surges, we are seeing 400 or less Covid patients....

it didn't pack out hospitals between the surges precisely because we had restrictions when required.


This is hardly difficult to understand.


As for the mild virus, you might as well say that lockdown has had little or no economic effect on most of the population, so there is no urgency in ending it.

An Ri rua

ArthurDayne wrote: »

OK, this one really grates me. What general material difference does it make if he is a viral infections specialist or not? You might have to be an expert of some description to collate / present medical or healthcare data — you don’t necessarily need to be an expert to analyse the data. Whether the person you are responding to has analysed whatever data they looked at with sound rationale or not, the fact that they aren’t

Remember when the viral infection specialists predicted between 80,000-120,000 deaths in Ireland? Link: https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/coronavirus-irish-threat-covid19-deaths

I remember saying that figure was ridiculous a year ago and got the same treatment from peers as you are dishing out now — “What would you know?”. I’m all for not being anti-intellectual, I’m sure people like Sam McConkey are very well qualified and their expertise certainly adds weight.
But being an ‘expert’ does not render anyone infallible, nor does it render void the opinions of others who take time to analyse data which experts drum up, nor — above all else — does not being an ‘expert’ mean that you are utterly incapable of being right in challenging an expert. The most sound form of appreciation for expertise means respecting the opinions of experts, but also the willingness to question why they get things get wrong.

80-120k deaths with lockdowns? Wow. Pray tell, what figure did they give if we adopted a Do nothing approach? 80-120k as well? Or maybe 7m Irish dead? Please compare like with like if you're going to go all quasi intellectual and grind your gears there...

Scuid Mhór

I thought it was obvious that the plan has always been "we can't loosen restrictions until we have the elderly/those with underlying conditions vaccinated" which will be thereabouts around May or June. Not sure what all the outrage is about today, how anyone thought we were going to go down to level 1 is insane to me. You'll be surprised by how quickly society will open up come mid-summer.

323

malinheader wrote: »

Mandatory hotel quarantine still 3 or 4 weeks away for anyone entering the country. Nice to see them acting quickly.

Thanks for the heads up, nedd to finish up and get home then so. In South America atm.

but then

Windmill100000 wrote: »

It's surprising the amount of people that do not know about the exemptions and claim everything is shut down. That list has been out since we went into lockdown. I suppose for some it doesn't suit the narrative to acknowledge such things.

Exactly.

copeyhagen

Ace2007 wrote: »

I didn't say that they were the current restrictions in Madrid, i was showing that other countries have taken far great action than Ireland ever has. To state that Ireland's lockdown is inhumane - is nothing short of a pure lie. It might be a lot of things but it's not inhumane.

absolute bullsh1t, heres what you said

Whereas in China people are chained into their house, or in Madrid you can hardly leave your house, were in the past children were banned from being allowed out.

but of course, you can try lie your way out of your scare mongering bullsh1t if you want

themacattack.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

From my family and friends whatsapp - over 80 ppl currently - the vast majority are resigned to another few months of restrictions

Some mild grumblings but lots of positive comments towards MM - contrary to some other posts the govt has not “lost the people” what ever the hell that supposedly means

mine is the exact opposite....i dont know how anyone would have confidance in MM...