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Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

  • 22-02-2021 11:29pm
    #1
    Beasty
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    Thread 1 - Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

    Wet or dry - the choice is yours, but both are currently closed

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  • #2
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    hb-i-miss-pints-bk.jpg


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
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    I sank a wet pint in a dry pub once, looking forward to the next sup when those doors swing open again. As Tony fades into irrelevance by the summer, he can take his redundant jargon with him.


  • #4
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Who wants to write a poem about the pubs? Some fella I’m not sure was it on this thread or the relaxation but it one of the funniest things I’ve ever read. It was like synopsis of his local pub.


  • #5
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I sank a wet pint in a dry pub once, looking forward to the next sup when those doors swing open again. As Tony fades into irrelevance by the summer, he can take his redundant jargon with him.

    As usual you will be completely mistaken. No chance whatsoever that wet pubs will open in the summer. Deal with it.


  • #6
    PTH2009
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    Let's hope they return sooner rather than later and without the food and time limit stuff. Not overly confident esp with the way the industry is viewed at this moment in time by health and government officials

    If i want a big feed i'll get it, if i only want a few pints i'll get it and stay for as long as i wish (obv within the opening hours)


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  • #7
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Let's hope they return sooner rather than later and without the food and time limit stuff. Not overly confident esp with the way the industry is viewed at this moment in time by health and government officials

    If i want a big feed i'll get it, if i only want a few pints i'll get it and stay for as long as i wish (obv within the opening hours)

    Wet pubs will not reopen before September at the earliest and even if they do time limits and social distancing measures will be in place. Simple as that.


  • #8
    discodiva92
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 353 ✭✭discodiva92


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Let's hope they return sooner rather than later and without the food and time limit stuff. Not overly confident esp with the way the industry is viewed at this moment in time by health and government officials

    If i want a big feed i'll get it, if i only want a few pints i'll get it and stay for as long as i wish (obv within the opening hours)

    Brothers is in the trade.
    Happy to do anywhatever rules but a year on is sick of being closed when you see towns packed


  • #9
    MrMusician18
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    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    As usual you will be completely mistaken. No chance whatsoever that wet pubs will open in the summer. Deal with it.

    I think that's a little bit pessimistic. I think we will start to see restaurants, and pubs open in June, for food or outdoor service only. Niteclubs on the other hand, hard to see when they'll be back. No loss, though tbh.


  • #10
    Polar101
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    Hi, I'm in Dublin. What is this "pub" you speak of? I remember some old stories about people gathering indoors and drinking alcohol, but I'm not sure if it was just a myth.


  • #11
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    I would like to lobby that the phrase 'Wet Pub' is banned from the lexicon forever.


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  • #12
    UI_Paddy
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭UI_Paddy


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Hi, I'm in Dublin. What is this "pub" you speak of? I remember some old stories about people gathering indoors and drinking alcohol, but I'm not sure if it was just a myth.

    Indeed these pubs were real, always packed in the city centre, especially in the evening and at weekends. They were a part of what was Dublin in the rare Auld Times.


  • #13
    DellyBelly
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    Was walking around Dublin City this weekend. Its eerily quiet and so sad to see all these so called wet pubs shut up. I really can't wait for the day we can go into a nice pint of plain in theses so called wet pubs.. A dream


  • #14
    stephenjmcd
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    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Wet pubs will not reopen before September at the earliest and even if they do time limits and social distancing measures will be in place. Simple as that.

    As is your opinion and your entitled to it, but it's not fact so it's not "simple as that". You can't speak in the definitive with an opinion.

    All we can do is see what happens come summer


  • #15
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Wet pubs will not reopen before September at the earliest and even if they do time limits and social distancing measures will be in place. Simple as that.

    I suspect that time line is correct. I know a Bar Manager of a well known wet pub in Dublin city centre.

    He's targeting a return for late August/September. He personally thinks there is very little chance of opening before then.

    But of course he could be wrong. We'll have to see how the next few months pan out


  • #16
    El_Duderino 09
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    I think that's a little bit pessimistic. I think we will start to see restaurants, and pubs open in June, for food or outdoor service only. Niteclubs on the other hand, hard to see when they'll be back. No loss, though tbh.

    Nightclubs are no loss to you (and me, for that matter) but that’s hardly the point. They’re important to other people.

    I really wonder where people pull the months from. Where did you pull June from?

    I don’t know when we’ll have these things back. But the uk is going to provide an excellent test case for us. They’re way ahead with the vaccination and reopening so we can see how they get on. As long as we can get most people vaccinating the time the weather cools (not very likely but the EU secured more vaccine supply last week so we’ll have to wait and see ) then we can just learn from what the uk does

    Ultimately we’ll have to wait and see. Wait and see how the uk does and wait and see how our vaccine rollout goes.


  • #17
    El_Duderino 09
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    I would like to lobby that the phrase 'Wet Pub' is banned from the lexicon forever.

    Did we ever get to the bottom of why that term makes people so cross?

    Seeing as it’s a term coined by the drink industry I suppose you’ll need to start by asking them why they use it and then asking them to stop using it.


  • #18
    dominatinMC
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    ShyMets wrote: »
    I suspect that time line is correct. I know a Bar Manager of a well known wet pub in Dublin city centre.

    He's targeting a return for late August/September. He personally thinks there is very little chance of opening before then.

    But of course he could be wrong. We'll have to see how the next few months pan out
    I'd take it at this stage. Pressure from UK reopening could lead to an earlier reopening, who knows :confused:


  • #19
    Eric Cartman
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Did we ever get to the bottom of why that term makes people so cross?

    Seeing as it’s a term coined by the drink industry I suppose you’ll need to start by asking them why they use it and then asking them to stop using it.

    It was first coined by joe duffy afaik , I hate the term, non-food pubs are what I continue to call them , but only because ‘good pubs’ wouldnt provide much clarity to many


  • #20
    El_Duderino 09
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    It was first coined by joe duffy afaik , I hate the term, non-food pubs are what I continue to call them , but only because ‘good pubs’ wouldnt provide much clarity to many

    Joe Duffy would be thrilled by your faith in his influence. But it’s been an industry term for decades.

    Did we ever future out why it makes people so cross through?


  • #21
    dominatinMC
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Did we ever get to the bottom of why that term makes people so cross?

    Seeing as it’s a term coined by the drink industry I suppose you’ll need to start by asking them why they use it and then asking them to stop using it.
    I suppose there is some negative connotations attached to the phrase, with "wet markets" in Wuhan being seen as responsible for the pandemic. Maybe that's delving into the realm of conspiracy theories though :D

    Personally, I think they should just distinguish regular pubs from food pubs by using the phrases "pubs" and "gastro pubs", respectively.


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  • #22
    hynesie08
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Did we ever get to the bottom of why that term makes people so cross?

    Seeing as it’s a term coined by the drink industry I suppose you’ll need to start by asking them why they use it and then asking them to stop using it.

    It's just a ridiculous term that the government clearly weaponised to create an image of a conveyer belt of drunkenness. Is there a dry pub? Perhaps a malthouse?


  • #23
    dominatinMC
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    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    As usual you will be completely mistaken. No chance whatsoever that wet pubs will open in the summer. Deal with it.
    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Wet pubs will not reopen before September at the earliest and even if they do time limits and social distancing measures will be in place. Simple as that.
    A new thread, but the same old guff. Do you have inside information? Or can the rest of us get a loan of that crystal ball. And what's with the aggressive replies, people are entitled to express an opinion on here, just as you are. You know as much as the rest of us on here, which is sweet fcuk all.


  • #24
    Mrs OBumble
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    Pubs are gone for good.

    The docs are looking at the reduced number of drunken injuries coming thru A&E and the reduced alcohol harm to most of the population, and doing the sums.

    Restaurants will be back. That's all.


  • #25
    hynesie08
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Pubs are gone for good.

    The docs are looking at the reduced number of drunken injuries coming thru A&E and the reduced alcohol harm to most of the population, and doing the sums.

    Restaurants will be back. That's all.

    That's just not true.


  • #26
    enricoh
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Pubs are gone for good.

    The docs are looking at the reduced number of drunken injuries coming thru A&E and the reduced alcohol harm to most of the population, and doing the sums.

    Restaurants will be back. That's all.

    God bless the internet! It's official folks!


  • #27
    mightyreds
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Nightclubs are no loss to you (and me, for that matter) but that’s hardly the point. They’re important to other people.

    I really wonder where people pull the months from. Where did you pull June from?

    I don’t know when we’ll have these things back. But the uk is going to provide an excellent test case for us. They’re way ahead with the vaccination and reopening so we can see how they get on. As long as we can get most people vaccinating the time the weather cools (not very likely but the EU secured more vaccine supply last week so we’ll have to wait and see ) then we can just learn from what the uk does

    Ultimately we’ll have to wait and see. Wait and see how the uk does and wait and see how our vaccine rollout goes.

    Sorry but wait and see isn't really going to cut it for a lot of business, my sister runs a beauty salon she already owes 5k in rent with only the PUP of 350 coming through the door a week. Luckily she had her rainy day fund but that was wiped in the first 2 closures.


  • #28
    El_Duderino 09
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    mightyreds wrote: »
    Sorry but wait and see isn't really going to cut it for a lot of business, my sister runs a beauty salon she already owes 5k in rent with only the PUP of 350 coming through the door a week. Luckily she had her rainy day fund but that was wiped in the first 2 closures.

    So what should the government do? Pluck some numbers and dates out of the sky? If the uk reopening is a great success, that’s great information. If it’s a disaster, that’s great information too.

    The fact is that UK is ahead of us in vaccination and reopening. It would be very stupid to ignore the information from the uk.

    So, given the government doesn’t have the information, what should they do except wait and see what the information is?


  • #29
    ShyMets
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Pubs are gone for good.

    The docs are looking at the reduced number of drunken injuries coming thru A&E and the reduced alcohol harm to most of the population, and doing the sums.

    Restaurants will be back. That's all.

    Sure we might as well close the Restaurants as well. It will help in the fight against obesity


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
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    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    As usual you will be completely mistaken. No chance whatsoever that wet pubs will open in the summer. Deal with it.


    Do you work with NPHET/government? More bull coming out of your mouth. Sure if they dont open people will just have drinks in there back gardens or local parks. Or shebeens for some people


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    Tazz T
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Pubs are gone for good.

    The docs are looking at the reduced number of drunken injuries coming thru A&E and the reduced alcohol harm to most of the population, and doing the sums.

    Restaurants will be back. That's all.

    When the docs are looking at the figures of how much pubs contribute to the tax coffers, much of which ends up in healthcare, and doing the sums on how much now won't be there, they'll be crying for them back.


  • #32
    doublejobbing 2
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    Wouldn't you feel sorry for the sad, socially inept people here who love spreading a bit of groundless negativity about the pubs never returning in their old form in a thousand years. Sometimes I wonder if a certain government minister is operating a few troll accounts.


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
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    Pubs and nightclubs are not there for you specifically. They are a viable industry supporting thousands of families. Just because you don't miss them/never went to them does not mean it's ok for them to be closed, they are businesses and social hubs that need to be fought for tooth and nail.


  • #34
    copeyhagen
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    thing i miss most about the pubs is just being able to ring the brother in law and walk down the local (which apparently will never open again) and have a few pints on a sunday evening.

    or driving by the pub with the misses and kids and just popping in for a few, spur of the moment.

    or going the hotel down the road on a Sunday, kids have their tablets and switches( thats a seperate bad parenting discussion) and having carvery, few pints, watch the matches and walk home.

    all these come down to one thing i miss, freedom. (said in william wallace voice)


  • #35
    PommieBast
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    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Wet pubs will not reopen before September at the earliest and even if they do time limits and social distancing measures will be in place. Simple as that.
    Much as I hate to say it, I think September is starting to look optimistic. Last summer when the infection rate was barely in double-figures and the death rate within statistical noise of zero Dublin pubs remained firmly shut. Leopard never changes its spots, etc.. :(


  • #36
    Mrs OBumble
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    Edz87 wrote: »
    Pubs and nightclubs are not there for you specifically. They are a viable industry supporting thousands of families. Just because you don't miss them/never went to them does not mean it's ok for them to be closed, they are businesses and social hubs that need to be fought for tooth and nail.

    We absolutely need hospitality venues which employ people, and provide a range of leisure options. These options likely include drinking and addictive, depressive, toxin.

    But we don't need venues dedicated to that and that alone.

    At very least, they need to serve food too.


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  • #37
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you work with NPHET/government? More bull coming out of your mouth. Sure if they dont open people will just have drinks in there back gardens or local parks. Or shebeens for some people

    Well we know you yourself do go to shebeens anyway after all your attention seeking crowing and peacock like strutting about it on here before and during Christmas. Have any of your buddies in your cosy little drinking group let the cat out of the bag yet?


  • #38
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    PommieBast wrote: »
    Much as I hate to say it, I think September is starting to look optimistic. Last summer when the infection rate was barely in double-figures and the death rate within statistical noise of zero Dublin pubs remained firmly shut. Leopard never changes its spots, etc.. :(

    Correct.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Well we know you yourself do go to shebeens anyway after all your attention seeking crowing and peaock like strutting about it on here before and during Christmas. Have any of your buddies in your cosy little drinking group let the cat out of the bag yet?



    Havent been there since the Christmas but planning on heading there this weekend for the rugby. And sorry to disappoint you but no the cat hasnt been let out of the bag and wont be. We are too cute for that ;)


  • #40
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Havent been there since the Christmas but planning on heading there this weekend for the rugby. And sorry to disappoint you but no the cat hasnt been let out of the bag and wont be. We are too cute for that ;)

    You think so?:D Pride comes before the fall.:)


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    You think so?:D Pride comes before the fall.:)

    Not a chance :D . I will enjoy my few pints this weekend and not be told what to do by the muppets in the government


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  • #42
    ShyMets
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    We absolutely need hospitality venues which employ people, and provide a range of leisure options. These options likely include drinking and addictive, depressive, toxin.

    But we don't need venues dedicated to that and that alone.

    At very least, they need to serve food too.

    Why do they need to serve food


  • #43
    ThewhiteJesus
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    i was hoping to get to Clare on holidays this summer, if i can't even have a pint then whats the point,
    shebeens will start popping up all over the place soon if mehole carries on with this crap after half the country is vaccinated


  • #44
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not a chance :D . I will enjoy my few pints this weekend and not be told what to do by the muppets in the government

    Make the most of them. They may be your last for a long while.;)


  • #45
    [Deleted User]
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    i was hoping to get to Clare on holidays this summer, if i can't even have a pint then whats the point,
    shebeens will start popping up all over the place soon if mehole carries on with this crap after half the country is vaccinated



    Thats the crap we are dealing with and people are happy to stay in the current restrictions. If the gob****es in the government dont open up the hospitality trade during the summer there will be uproar. Why go on holidays down the country when you mighten be able to dine out or get a few pints. And shebeens/home made bars are popping up all over the country. Cant blame people for having them


  • #46
    El_Duderino 09
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    ShyMets wrote: »
    Why do they need to serve food

    That’s exactly what I was wondering. Under covid I can see why we would limit just-drinking and nobody seems to se a problem with nightclubs being closed for that reason.

    But after covid, the market should dictate the type of pubs. I suspect the market for pure drinking pubs was moving towards gastropubs, but I wouldn’t support getting rid of drink only pubs.


  • #47
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    That’s exactly what I was wondering. Under covid Incan see why we would limit just-drinking and nobody seems to se a problem with nightclubs being closed for that reason.

    But after covid, the market should dictate they type of pubs. I suspect the market for pure drinking pubs was moving towards gastropubs, but I wouldn’t support getting rid of drink only pubs.

    I agree. I think we'll see less drink only pubs but there will still be a demand for them.

    And if the market's there then they should be allowed to open. Just because some people disagree with drink only pubs is not a valid reason to keep them closed


  • #48
    MrMusician18
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Pubs are gone for good.

    The docs are looking at the reduced number of drunken injuries coming thru A&E and the reduced alcohol harm to most of the population, and doing the sums.

    Restaurants will be back. That's all.
    I don't think they're gone for good but a lot of them wont be around 5 years from now. And to be honest it's got little to do with vivid. Pubs and particularly niteclubs have been suffering due to the rise of dating apps - there is simply no reason for a lot of people to go to them anymore.

    That's why Dublin had a night ambassador to try and revive the scene. That's a lost battle already though


  • #49
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    That’s exactly what I was wondering. Under covid I can see why we would limit just-drinking and nobody seems to se a problem with nightclubs being closed for that reason.

    But after covid, the market should dictate the type of pubs. I suspect the market for pure drinking pubs was moving towards gastropubs, but I wouldn’t support getting rid of drink only pubs.
    I think the fact that this is even being considered/debated is symptomatic of the cancel cuture prevalent at present. "I don't like/agree with traditonal pubs, so they should all be forced to serve food". Thankfully that vocal minority will still be sitting in their bedrooms in a few months typing soliloquies on Boards/Twitter whilst the rest of us are out enjoying ourselves.


  • #50
    Grueller Baby
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    We absolutely need hospitality venues which employ people, and provide a range of leisure options. These options likely include drinking and addictive, depressive, toxin.

    But we don't need venues dedicated to that and that alone.

    At very least, they need to serve food too.
    jaysus


  • #51
    Mrs OBumble
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    ShyMets wrote: »
    Why do they need to serve food

    It slows the absorption of the addictive toxin.

    And a full stomach slows the amount you can drink.


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