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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #9332
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Do we see the North going with the same dates as mainland UK?

    12 April - Shops, hairdressers, gyms and outdoor hospitality

    17 May - Cinemas, hotels, performances and sporting events also restart at this point - including up to 10,000 fans in largest stadiums.


  • #9333
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    They got alot of stick for their handling of things but credit where its due that UK plan is quite comprehensive.

    People know what they're working towards & clearly know the rewards. Of course it might not go to plan and there might be a few delays along the way but its the type of plan we should absolutely be aiming for but no doubt won't.
    Ours is more likely to be just a rejigging of the current 5 levels. We'll also get news of all the things we know nothing about, like schools opening next week. I doubt we'll see any dates, just future announcements to say we are ready to move to Level X. They may even use Level 4 this time.


  • #9334
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,410 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Hopefully Boris can give us the leftover vaccines they won't need.


  • #9335
    mr zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭mr zulu


    Didn't hear much mention of new variants from Boris during his speech, hopefully Michael Martin might take a leaf from his book.
    .


  • #9336
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Do we see the North going with the same dates as mainland UK?

    12 April - Shops, hairdressers, gyms and outdoor hospitality

    17 May - Cinemas, hotels, performances and sporting events also restart at this point - including up to 10,000 fans in largest stadiums.

    I'd be surprised if they don't.


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  • #9337
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Do we see the North going with the same dates as mainland UK?

    12 April - Shops, hairdressers, gyms and outdoor hospitality

    17 May - Cinemas, hotels, performances and sporting events also restart at this point - including up to 10,000 fans in largest stadiums.

    Also removing ban on overseas travel in May.

    It is a clear, hopeful plan. With a clear way out of this, and public support from the science chiefs


  • #9338
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Ours is more likely to be just a rejigging of the current 5 levels. We'll also get news of all the things we know nothing about, like schools opening next week. I doubt we'll see any dates, just future announcements to say we are ready to move to Level X. They may even use Level 4 this time.

    And this is exactly the problem.

    Clear targets are needed, the UK plan gives hope & something to aim for


  • #9339
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    And this is exactly the problem.

    Clear targets are needed

    I agree. Living with Covid was brought in at a time when we did not have visibility on vaccinations. It was well meaning but it never really had much of a chance as the public health people were never really a fan of it.

    What we need is a rehash of last year’s reopening plan which is broadly linked to indicators such as vaccination schedules going to plan. Indeed, the UK most likely had a look at that plan from last year.


  • #9340
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    And this is exactly the problem.

    Clear targets are needed
    I think they are hiding behind NPHET on that. The magic 100 cases a day seem to be 6 weeks into the future. The last government gave us a plan quickly enough despite the case numbers.


  • #9341
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Might put a bit of pressure on the government to give dates

    Our plan will probably be two months behind the UK the way the government is talking things down

    If they give us dates and targets we will miss them, it's guaranteed.

    They are best off leaving it vague. Even the UK plan is specific in so far as it's saying "no earlier than". Funny that people are reading what they want to read "on this date this will certainly happen".


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  • #9342
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Do we see the North going with the same dates as mainland UK?

    12 April - Shops, hairdressers, gyms and outdoor hospitality

    17 May - Cinemas, hotels, performances and sporting events also restart at this point - including up to 10,000 fans in largest stadiums.

    I see no reason why they won't. As I have said before, watch what happens in the UK and Europe and ignore what our incoherent government are doing.

    Looks like overseas holidays possible from 17 May also.

    If NI follows that route, the same pretty much be applied from down here. Exciting times ahead


  • #9343
    Psychedelic Hedgehog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    Did I just read the words 'comprehensive plan' and 'Boris Johnson' in the same sentence?

    The guy's a spoofer. As in many occasions in the past, he's telling his electorate what they want to hear.

    His handling of the pandemic to date has been catastrophic, and if it weren't for the success of the Oxford vaccine (which they bet the farm on, don't forget) things would be looking quite bleak for the UK.

    I hope it works out for them, but wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if things fall flat.


  • #9344
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Do we see the North going with the same dates as mainland UK?

    12 April - Shops, hairdressers, gyms and outdoor hospitality

    17 May - Cinemas, hotels, performances and sporting events also restart at this point - including up to 10,000 fans in largest stadiums.

    I expect the roads to the north will be quite full starting april/may then.


  • #9345
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    I expect the roads to the north will be quite full starting april/may then.

    My thoughts exactly, holidaying in the North this summer!


  • #9346
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    I expect the roads to the north will be quite full starting april/may then.

    Guaranteed and Belfast airport may have a bumper Summer.


  • #9347
    ninebeanrows
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    Surely we should be aiming for similar things down here regarding non essential retail anyway. 12 April is still 6 weeks away. I think it is not mad to allow them open then, cases will be relatively low, vaccines flowing.


  • #9348
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    mr zulu wrote: »
    Didn't hear much mention of new variants from Boris during his speech, hopefully Michael Martin might take a leaf from his book.
    .

    Because the new variants angle is just scare tactics by Micheál to try and keep us all compliant. It’s also amazing how lacking in self awareness the man is, parroting off about new variants trying to keep us compliant while ignoring the elephant in the room about how they got here in the first place. All it does is piss people off


  • #9349
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    If they give us dates and targets we will miss them, it's guaranteed.

    They are best off leaving it vague. Even the UK plan is specific in so far as it's saying "no earlier than". Funny that people are reading what they want to read "on this date this will certainly happen".
    I think they are reading an actual plan, where we have none.


  • #9350
    Russman
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    And this is exactly the problem.

    Clear targets are needed, the UK plan gives hope & something to aim for

    I agree with the sentiment, but the problem here is that we'll be two weeks out from a milestone and those effected by it will start wanting to know if XYZ is going to happen. They'll also need to decide what we do if a target is almost reached, but not quite.


  • #9351
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Because the new variants angle is just scare tactics by Micheál to try and keep us all compliant. It’s also amazing how lacking in self awareness the man is, parroting off about new variants trying to keep us compliant while ignoring the elephant in the room about how they got here in the first place. All it does is piss people off

    What got us here in the first place, oh yeah, everyone doing whatever the hell they wanted at Christmas.


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  • #9352
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Ryan at it again.....

    ‘New variant more infectious among children’ – Trinity professor says schools only safe when community is

    https://www.independent.ie/news/new-variant-more-infectious-among-children-trinity-professor-says-schools-only-safe-when-community-is-40117845.html


  • #9353
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    If they give us dates and targets we will miss them, it's guaranteed.

    They are best off leaving it vague. Even the UK plan is specific in so far as it's saying "no earlier than". Funny that people are reading what they want to read "on this date this will certainly happen".

    They have a plan with clear objectives. We have nothing nor will we get anything resembling a plan tomorrow.

    Yes they may have bumps in the road but they have something to aim towards


  • #9354
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    What got us here in the first place, oh yeah, everyone doing whatever the hell they wanted at Christmas.

    Yawn.


  • #9355
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I think they are reading an actual plan, where we have none.

    Our revised one is coming tomorrow. No doubt it will be full of self defeating targets and dates to keep the wingers happy.

    Dates and targets that will certainly be missed simply because they exist.


  • #9356
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,971 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »
    Did I just read the words 'comprehensive plan' and 'Boris Johnson' in the same sentence?

    The guy's a spoofer. As in many occasions in the past, he's telling his electorate what they want to hear.

    His handling of the pandemic to date has been catastrophic, and if it weren't for the success of the Oxford vaccine (which they bet the farm on, don't forget) things would be looking quite bleak for the UK.

    I hope it works out for them, but wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if things fall flat.

    Yes but he has every incentive to 'keep the good times rolling' by reopening things on schedule, even if vaccinations/case numbers are not hitting the hoped-for targets. The Brits seem to take pretty eye-watering levels of death and hospitalisation in their stride, so I doubt he'll get much flak even if there's another mini-surge.


  • #9357
    FutureGuy
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,255 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    The problem is this is seemingly never-ending. There is no end date in sight even though numbers have vastly imported.

    People are off visiting friends and family outdoors outside of the 5km. Friends are meeting outdoors for coffees.

    The fact that the UK now have a plan will make everyone even more agitated.


  • #9358
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Our revised one is coming tomorrow. No doubt it will be full of self defeating targets and dates to keep the wingers happy.

    It's already been well leaked that there won't be dates on ours nor the setting of targets. Unless they look at the UK this evening and change last minute


  • #9359
    FutureGuy
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,255 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Plenty of tourists in Limerick yesterday by the way.


  • #9360
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,971 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Our revised one is coming tomorrow. No doubt it will be full of self defeating targets and dates to keep the wingers happy.

    James McLean could do with some cheering up alright


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  • #9361
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Our revised one is coming tomorrow. No doubt it will be full of self defeating targets and dates to keep the wingers happy.

    Dates and targets that will certainly be missed simply because they exist.
    It's likely just an update on the one that was made up with post-it notes so that levels will match restrictions. Even if they had indicative periods like the UK one that would be progress but it would be quite a surprise to hear it even mentioned. Whatever else can levelled at Varadkar he's way better with the touchy feely stuff than Martin.


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