When will it all end?

quokula · 22-02-2021 03:04PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

First jab only, at a million a month, we should actually have pulled in front of them by then.

Also, use of the word "offered"

There was a big song and dance in the UK media a few weeks ago that all care home residents had been offered their first dose. Then lots of stories started appearing from homes where they had indeed been offered a first dose, and residents had accepted, but they were still waiting for that dose to actually then be delivered with no clear timeline.

VG31 · 22-02-2021 03:07PM

Martin567 wrote: »

I do wonder if people who say things like this have any understanding of psychology. Presumably they want people to comply with existing measures and to get vaccinated? Do they not understand that suggesting mask wearing and social distancing will continue for years into the future will lead many people to see no point in maintaining the current levels of compliance or to bother getting vaccinated?

Exactly. Saying that mask wearing and social distancing will continue even after vaccinations is essentially telling people that taking a vaccine is pointless.

ujjjjjjjjj · 22-02-2021 03:14PM

quokula wrote: »

Also, use of the word "offered"

There was a big song and dance in the UK media a few weeks ago that all care home residents had been offered their first dose. Then lots of stories started appearing from homes where they had indeed been offered a first dose, and residents had accepted, but they were still waiting for that dose to actually then be delivered with no clear timeline.

Stop the we are better than them stuff. The UK are miles ahead in the vaccine roleout. The first jab is the key one as it confers high levels of immunity and dramatically reduces your chances of ending up in hospital or worse.

The second jab think of it as a booster, not a big deal but a nice to have.

It is good news the UK are miles ahead for them, for us due to our shared border and close relationship.

Let's not turn this into some silly game and for those who undoubtedly are going to say 'well they are ones going on about it...' just ask yourself what would we be doing if we already had more than a third of our population over the age of 18 vaccinated. I have elderly inlaws in their 70's in the UK, aunts and uncles in their 60's and 70's and two younger family members with not particularly serious chronic health conditions and all have been vaccinated, several weeks ago. I also have other relations in their 50's perfectly healthy who will be getting vaccinated in the next week or two.

Well done the UK. Delighted for them and it holds our lot up to account too.

hynesie08 · 22-02-2021 03:17PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Stop the we are better than them stuff. The UK are miles ahead in the vaccine roleout. The first jab is the key one as it confers high levels of immunity and dramatically reduces your chances of ending up in hospital or worse.

The second jab think of it as a booster, not a big deal but a nice to have.

It is good news the UK are miles ahead for them, for us due to our shared border and close relationship.

Let's not turn this into some silly game and for those who undoubtedly are going to say 'well they are ones going on about it...' just ask yourself what would we be doing if we already had more than a third of our population over the age of 18 vaccinated. I have elderly inlaws in their 70's in the UK, aunts and uncles in their 60's and 70's and two younger family members with not particularly serious chronic health conditions and all have been vaccinated, several weeks ago. I also have other relations in their 50's perfectly healthy who will be getting vaccinated in the next week or two.

Well done the UK. Delighted for them and it holds our lot up to account too.

I mean, the scientists who invented the vaccine disagree with you, but you do you.

mcsean2163 · 22-02-2021 03:33PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I mean, the scientists who invented the vaccine disagree with you, but you do you.

It's the same jab twice. The second jab increases the likelihood of an immune response to the vaccine.

That's the science. Do you have a new branch of science you'd like to share?

Irish Stones · 22-02-2021 03:33PM

Martin567 wrote: »

Do they not understand that suggesting mask wearing and social distancing will continue for years into the future will lead many people to see no point in maintaining the current levels of compliance or to bother getting vaccinated?

Dr Fauci has just said that mask wearing and social distancing will have to be maintained at least till the end of 2022, when we think that everybody in the world will be vaccinated.
I say, if these measures work, why drop them?

Mr. Karate · 22-02-2021 03:34PM

VG31 wrote: »

Exactly. Saying that mask wearing and social distancing will continue even after vaccinations is essentially telling people that taking a vaccine is pointless.

This is why I'm currently non-committal about getting it. Let's not kid ourselves, we will be locking down again Oct. No matter how many been vaccinated and how slowly re-open in the Summer. Plus Varadkar mentions that lockdowns go on indefinitely if not forever doesn't make you want to run out and get it.

This is my current take away with all of this:

1. The vaccines don't work.
2. They do, but Govt doesn't have any confidence in them.
3. The Govt is completely incompetent and will not even have a fraction of the population vaccinated by Christmas.
4. The Govt is enjoying this power trip way too much and has no intention of relinquishing it unless forced to.
5. All of the Above

Martin567 · 22-02-2021 03:46PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Dr Fauci has just said that mask wearing and social distancing will have to be maintained at least till the end of 2022, when we think that everybody in the world will be vaccinated.
I say, if these measures work, why drop them?

Because they are emergency measures with an absolutely enormous cost attached to them. They are detrimental to every facet of life and have to be dropped at the earliest possible date.

Ginger n Lemon · 22-02-2021 03:48PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Dr Fauci has just said that mask wearing and social distancing will have to be maintained at least till the end of 2022, when we think that everybody in the world will be vaccinated.
I say, if these measures work, why drop them?

They work? We had 2 further lockdowns after mask love affair started.

Unless by work you mean lead us into level 5 lockdowns

22-02-2021 03:49PM

You'd have to be a sociopath to not realise why social distancing needs to be dropped the minute its no longer absolutely neccesary

the kelt · 22-02-2021 03:53PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

In my opinion, lots of measures we are currently taking to counter the spreading of the virus will stay forever, or at least for many many years.
Masks, social distancing, hand sanitizers, are relatively inexpensive and have proved to work rather effectively, so why drop them even in the future? They will prevent any possible future airborne disease.
Temperature scanning at the entrance of premises and screens at counters - shops and businesses have invested thousands to have them, will they just store them in the back shed or will they keep using them in the future?

Once that we get used to all this stuff, we won't even bother whether they are in place or not.

Social distancing wont be, it cant be.

Others yeah i can see them becoming part of everyday life. People will continue to wear masks but it wont be mandatory, hand sanitizer another thing that will become part of everyday life, working from home more popular and accepted (already the last company i worked with are breaking out in cold sweats at the thought of that) no issues as to why it shouldnt really.

But if you think people will just get used to social distancing for now on then your wrong im afraid.

Boggerman12 · 22-02-2021 03:54PM

It’s so sad how some people believe we should be muzzled up for the rest of eternity because of bloody the Covid.what’s the point of vaccines so.as soon as possible I’ll be burning my face masks

gozunda · 22-02-2021 03:58PM

Patches oHoulihan wrote: »

and how long is this balance going to take then?

People are about done with ****ing restrictions.
At this point just get back to life and let nature take its course

Nope. Id strongly disagree. That's the completely "fuk it' approach and no civilised society on the planet is going to go for it. If you do find someplace which has such a policy - send us a postcard and let us know how you're getting on.

hynesie08 · 22-02-2021 03:59PM

Boggerman12 wrote: »

It’s so sad how some people believe we should be muzzled up for the rest of eternity because of bloody the Covid.what’s the point of vaccines so.as soon as possible I’ll be burning my face masks

Who's saying that?

Scotty # · 22-02-2021 04:03PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

The first jab is the key one as it confers high levels of immunity and dramatically reduces your chances of ending up in hospital or worse.

The second jab think of it as a booster, not a big deal but a nice to have.

Still too much weight being given to vaccines as being a magic bullet. AstraZeneca, the one being rolled out in the UK (because it's £3 a pop compared to the others at £27a pop) is only 62% efficient AFTER the second dose.

Do people understand what that means? For more than a third of the people who receive it, it will be of no benefit!

Vaccines are going to help with the spread of covid but stop kidding yourself that they're some sort of solution. They're really not.

22-02-2021 04:04PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Still too much weight being given to vaccines as being a magic bullet. AstraZeneca, the one being rolled out in the UK (because it's £3 a pop compared to the others at £27a pop) is only 62% efficient AFTER the second dose.

Do people understand what that means? For more than a third of the people who receive it, it will be of no benefit!

Vaccines are going to help with the spread of covid but stop kidding yourself that they're some sort of solution. They're really not.

Well you clearly do not

Scotty # · 22-02-2021 04:05PM

AdamD wrote: »

Well you clearly do not

So explain to me what 62% efficacy means?

From the HSE...
AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine
The AstraZeneca vaccine has been tested on people aged 18 and older.

The current evidence is that the vaccine protects 60% of people who get it.

The AstraZeneca vaccine was tested on very few people over 55. Clinical trials are ongoing to show how well it works in this age group.

Until we have the clinical trial results, the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines will be given to older people.

BigMo1 · 22-02-2021 04:06PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Still too much weight being given to vaccines as being a magic bullet. AstraZeneca, the one being rolled out in the UK (because it's £3 a pop compared to the others at £27a pop) is only 62% efficient AFTER the second dose.

Do people understand what that means? For more than a third of the people who receive it, it will be of no benefit!

Vaccines are going to help with the spread of covid but stop kidding yourself that they're some sort of solution. They're really not.

What? This is some next level nonsense.

beauf · 22-02-2021 04:08PM

Le Bruise wrote: »

Agree to disagree on this one, you can't have a socially distanced gig.

I believe the long term changes relate to greater numbers working from home, hand hygiene and cough etiquette...none of that a bad thing.

https://www.boredpanda.com/social-distance-concert-sam-fender-newcastle-festival/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55794674
https://www.wionews.com/photos/future-of-concerts-the-flaming-lips-perform-in-plastic-bubbles-in-covid-times-336368#bubble-concert-336355

A bit daft maybe.

Scotty # · 22-02-2021 04:08PM

BigMo1 wrote: »

What? This is some next level nonsense.

Perhaps you can show how?

Klonker · 22-02-2021 04:09PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Still too much weight being given to vaccines as being a magic bullet. AstraZeneca, the one being rolled out in the UK (because it's £3 a pop compared to the others at £27a pop) is only 62% efficient AFTER the second dose.

Do people understand what that means? For more than a third of the people who receive it, it will be of no benefit!

Vaccines are going to help with the spread of covid but stop kidding yourself that they're some sort of solution. They're really not.

Any link to back UK your claim Scott? Because this would claim otherwise.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-linked-to-85-and-94-drop-in-coronavirus-hospital-admissions-in-scotland-study-shows-12225532

BigMo1 · 22-02-2021 04:14PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Perhaps you can show how?

What evidence is there that a third of people who get the vaccine will receive no benefit? Every article I've read has said vaccines give well over 90% protection against serious illness and hospitalisation.

Scotty # · 22-02-2021 04:16PM

Klonker wrote: »

Any link to back UK your claim Scott? Because this would claim otherwise.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-linked-to-85-and-94-drop-in-coronavirus-hospital-admissions-in-scotland-study-shows-12225532

That's in conjunction with all the other lockdown measures.

You'll find everything you need to know about AstraZeneca here. And the official pdf here. From page 7...

Vaccine efficacy was 62.6% (95% CI: 50.9; 71.5) in participants receiving two recommended doses with any dose interval (ranging from 3 to 23 weeks), in a pre-specified analysis.

stefanovich · 22-02-2021 04:17PM

BigMo1 wrote: »

What evidence is there that a third of people who get the vaccine will receive no benefit? Every article I've read has said vaccines give well over 90% protection against serious illness and hospitalisation.

I'd imagine that not all vaccines are equally effective.

Scotty # · 22-02-2021 04:17PM

BigMo1 wrote: »

What evidence is there that a third of people who get the vaccine will receive no benefit? Every article I've read has said vaccines give well over 90% protection against serious illness and hospitalisation.

See above, the AstraZeneca vaccine is not a patch on the pFizer of Moderna ones but it is less than a 5th of the cost and it is available is large quantities.

Akesh · 22-02-2021 04:19PM

Scotty # wrote: »

The only way all restrictions will be lifted is when the virus is eradicated from the community. Until then we'll still have masks and limits on capacity on indoor gatherings. Even with 100% vaccine these restrictions will still apply.

You seem to be underestimating the virus and overestimating the vaccine. The vaccine does not make you immune, it does not make you untransmissible. It simple reduced the infection - nothing more. People will still get sick but hopefully not as many will require hospitalisation. But, if you think you can drop all other restrictions and rely solely on the vaccine controlling the virus, well... then you've clearly no understanding of the vaccine or the virus.

We've already seen how many thousands can become infected per day when restrictions are eased (the vaccine won't stop this) and it only takes a very small % of those to require hospitalisation before we're all in Level5 again.

Restrictions are here for the foreseeable I'm afraid. They'll be eased off slowly and gently until we find a balance.

That's just not going to happen. There is absolutely no chance that the current restrictions will last until 2022 as some are predicting.

I predict we will get to August before we will have to make the decision between having an economy or forcing vulnerable people to isolate.

Who is going to pay for hundreds of thousands of people to sit on the dole for a virus that kills less than 2%, the vast majority of whom were ill, elderly or had an underlying condition?

22-02-2021 04:26PM

AdamD wrote: »

You'd have to be a sociopath to not realise why social distancing needs to be dropped the minute its no longer absolutely neccesary

Bit harsh. Some might just be autistic.

Irish Stones · 22-02-2021 04:26PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

They work? We had 2 further lockdowns after mask love affair started.

Unless by work you mean lead us into level 5 lockdowns

So they don't work? Then why keep using them?
It is also possible that they seem not to work because several people don't wear them properly or at all.

beauf · 22-02-2021 04:26PM

Akesh wrote: »

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Who is going to pay for hundreds of thousands of people to sit on the dole for a virus that kills less than 2%, the vast majority of whom were ill, elderly or had an underlying condition?

Lots of money around, they'll tap into that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1130/1181414-central-bank-deposit-and-credit-card-stats/

Hospitals have a habit of finding underlying condition for a lot of people who end up in a hospital. People might get a nasty shock thinking they are excluded from that catch all phrase.

ujjjjjjjjj · 22-02-2021 04:27PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I mean, the scientists who invented the vaccine disagree with you, but you do you.

Eh no they don't.....but you do you and keep the scaremongering going.

When will it all end?

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