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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #9062
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    One thing we have definitely learned from this is that health officials tend to exaggerate a lot.

    So when some boffin comes out and says raising the price of alcohol will save a X Lives, a sugar tax will reduce obesity by X, lowering the speed limit will save X lives, let us remember that they are talking ****e. And the figures will be nowhere near what they are saying.


  • #9063
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    retro:electro wrote: »
    On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

    Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

    Jesus fcuking wept.

    But the guidelines currently say you can meet one other household outside for exercise?

    Are they going to stop that?


  • #9064
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭boardise


    retro:electro wrote: »
    On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

    Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

    Jesus fcuking wept.

    And Mary Magdalen dried His tears.


  • #9065
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    One thing we have definitely learned from this is that health officials tend to exaggerate a lot.

    So when some boffin comes out and says raising the price of alcohol will save a X Lives, a sugar tax will reduce obesity by X, lowering the speed limit will save X lives, let us remember that they are talking ****e. And the figures will be nowhere near what they are saying.

    Terrible take away from all of this.

    While I agree that some made over the top predictions about this pandemic at the beginning, I don't think that's reason to shut down all health based scientific opinion going forward.

    They don't make the call to raise prices or reduce sugar, they give facts and the decision makers decide on the action.


  • #9066
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Stheno wrote: »
    But the guidelines currently say you can meet one other household outside for exercise?

    Are they going to stop that?

    You can only meet another household outside now for exercise, so I think they’re saying we might be able to meet not only for exercises purposes, but to maybe enjoy sitting in a park with another household or having a picnic in the open air by July!

    We are so lucky!!


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  • #9067
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    Government has now lost the propaganda war on this due to us being stuck to 5km and leaving brazilians and others from red zones fly in anytime they want


  • #9068
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭emo72


    The Phoenix Park was jammers today. People are losing hope.


  • #9069
    Patches oHoulihan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Patches oHoulihan


    retro:electro wrote: »
    On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

    Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

    Jesus fcuking wept.

    NPHET can **** off 😀
    Keep people motivated ?
    More like drive us over the edge


  • #9070
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stheno wrote: »
    But the guidelines currently say you can meet one other household outside for exercise?

    Are they going to stop that?

    Maybe meet upto 3 households?

    Afaik.this was uk few weeks ago


  • #9071
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    retro:electro wrote: »
    On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

    Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

    Jesus fcuking wept.

    :pac: It's hilarious that they think people who have partners living elsewhere will go from December to May or June without seeing them in an indoor setting.


    It's not feasible.


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  • #9072
    Patches oHoulihan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Patches oHoulihan


    mean gene wrote: »
    Government has now lost the propaganda war on this due to us being stuck to 5km and leaving brazilians fly in anytime they want

    Whats the 5km achieving ?
    Nowhere is open anyway so being outdoors is surely the same wherever you are?


  • #9073
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    One thing we have definitely learned from this is that health officials tend to exaggerate a lot.

    So when some boffin comes out and says raising the price of alcohol will save a X Lives, a sugar tax will reduce obesity by X, lowering the speed limit will save X lives, let us remember that they are talking ****e. And the figures will be nowhere near what they are saying.

    Agree completely

    They really cried wolf with the Covid prediction’s


  • #9074
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I haven’t disputed any of what you have said.

    My point is that most of those who shout ‘mental health’ don’t actually give a sh*te and they are bored of looking at the same four walls.

    You see loads of people giving out about the mental health pandemic but not one of them claims to be suffering themselves. They use it as a political tool because they want to reopen.


    This is the one of the more egregious pieces of trash I have read in this thread. A load of presumptious, accusatory nonsense.

    You are in absolutely no position to say what state anybodies mental health is in. Is somebody only allowed to be concerned about mental health if they, themselves suffer from poor mental health? Does every comment about mental health need to be prefaced with a disclaimer that they are suffering from poor mental health?

    Thankfully enough the almost fanatical worship of these lockdowns by a certain cohort of posters is becoming an outlier on these forums.


  • #9075
    Mimon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Mimon


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    One thing we have definitely learned from this is that health officials tend to exaggerate a lot.

    So when some boffin comes out and says raising the price of alcohol will save a X Lives, a sugar tax will reduce obesity by X, lowering the speed limit will save X lives, let us remember that they are talking ****e. And the figures will be nowhere near what they are saying.

    It's NPHETs job to look after public health and yes they do IMHO spin it too negatively for effect.

    You're trying to assert that science is rubbish though. Yeh forget about the last 300 years of developments in science that have improved the average persons standard of living, health etc. immeasurably.


  • #9076
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I know people saying disband NPHET is deemed reactionary or without thought but genuinely, why do we still need them?

    Sure the government know enough by now to work off case numbers, deaths, hospitalizations and R Numbers. Surely they understand them by now.

    If new variants are found, they can go to individual virologists. They don't need the whole band together for that.

    How will things get worse if government disband them? I can't think of anything

    How will things get better? They won't have these cowboys running to the media telling them what to do, leaking things to media and generally trying to be Billy Big Bollox.


  • #9077
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    first decent day for ages saw lots of people out and about. nice to see people out.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #9078
    gw80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭gw80


    retro:electro wrote: »
    On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

    Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

    Jesus fcuking wept.

    Haha, those NPHET boys really crack me up,
    Gowlbags the lot of them.


  • #9079
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    emo72 wrote: »
    The Phoenix Park was jammers today. People are losing hope.

    I was there for a while earlier. From what I seen, there was a few people about but definitely wasn't jammers.


  • #9080
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    This is incorrect. Coming up on 1900 deaths in the past 7 and a half weeks was not inevitable. Other countries did not experience spikes anywhere as dramatic as ours around midwinter. We absolutely shot up to the top of the world league surpassing even the disastrous UK and became quite infamous for it worldwide in January. Only Portugal seems to have rivalled us with their post Christmas spike. There would have been a second wave due to winter, and indoor confinement and some seasonal socialising, but the extraordinary level of the spike and the number of deaths was absolutely not inevitable.

    Ah well, aren't we always trying to be top at something?

    Joking aside I think it was avoidable to a small degree technically but not practically.

    One reason are the many people living/working abroad who always come home for Christmas.
    Another reason was Christmas itself.
    Another reason was the (in my opinion) stupid and hasty October lockdown that raised expectations for Christmas rightly or wrongly.

    Some mitigation may have been possible but there would have been a spike no matter what. Other countries didnt relax for Christmas or actually went into lockdown for Christmas and they had big spikes too. How big or small ours could have been and in what scenarios is now academical anyway. But avoidable is the wrong word in any case.

    In terms of the Christmas period I think the only actual mistake was the October lockdown and the whole communication around it and the Christmas period.

    Thinking about it communication seems NPHET's and the governments biggest problem overall, Too many cooks in the kitchen, too many people who cant stay off the airwaves. Too many people who feel they need to be saying or doing something.


  • #9081
    Mimon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Mimon


    gw80 wrote: »
    Haha, those NPHET boys really crack me up,
    Gowlbags the lot of them.

    I see the intellectuals have joined the debate :D


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  • #9082
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Mimon wrote: »
    It's NPHETs job to look after public health and yes they do IMHO spin it too negatively for effect.

    You're trying to assert that science is rubbish though. Yeh forget about the last 300 years of developments in science that have improved the average persons standard of living, health etc. immeasurably.


    If it is NPHET's job to look after Public Health (which shockingly enough, involves far more than just COVID-19) then they are catastrophically failing and should be immediately relieved from their duties.


  • #9083
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Mimon wrote: »
    It's NPHETs job to look after public health and yes they do IMHO spin it too negatively for effect.

    No, NPHET are only concerned with Covid.


  • #9084
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I know people saying disband NPHET is deemed reactionary or without thought but genuinely, why do we still need them?

    Sure the government know enough by now to work off case numbers, deaths, hospitalizations and R Numbers. Surely they understand them by now.

    If new variants are found, they can go to individual virologists. They don't need the whole band together for that.

    How will things get worse if government disband them? I can't think of anything

    How will things get better? They won't have these cowboys running to the media telling them what to do, leaking things to media and generally trying to be Billy Big Bollox.

    If the government had actually listened to NPHET who were calling for enforced mandatory quarantine restrictions since may 2020, maybe we wouldn’t be in the current “Kent” variant **** show we are currently in.


  • #9085
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    all well in good but its the government who are the decision makers in turn places won't be open til they get approval

    No way in hell businesses will go rogue and open up, far too risky

    I just want things open and get on with our lives

    Plenty are already, you just have to be in the loop!


  • #9086
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Stheno wrote: »
    Reasoned and calm

    Fair play to them

    Except they have fallen for the fallacy that the big problem is travel and that is going to go badly longer term. Jack Lambert has it right. It is not the small number of travel cases which are the issue.


  • #9087
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Richard Hillman wrote: »

    Sure the government know enough by now to work off case numbers, deaths, hospitalizations and R Numbers. Surely they understand them by now.


    There's no way that the government could understand this stuff by now. They should have a much improved understanding of the various concepts than they did in January 2020. Competence or mastery of the subject matter? Unlikely.


  • #9088
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭emo72


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    I was there for a while earlier. From what I seen, there was a few people about but definitely wasn't jammers.

    Definitely jammers. Was there about 3. Went down to chappo, watched the queue of traffic coming through the village around 5. Granted people were generally keeping a distance, plenty of room to do it there in fairness, but there was huge crowds.


  • #9089
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    tom1ie wrote: »
    If the government had actually listened to NPHET who were calling for enforced mandatory quarantine restrictions since may 2020, maybe we wouldn’t be in the current “Kent” variant **** show we are currently in.

    Realistically if NPHET had its way there would neither be travel in, out or around Ireland and the whole country would be under level 5 since last August.

    While I agree with mandatory quarantine for incoming travellers in theory, I know it won’t make any difference to the recommendations of NPHET to implement stay at home orders so I’d rather not implement mandatory measures that might never be relaxed


  • #9090
    Mimon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Mimon


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    If it is NPHET's job to look after Public Health (which shockingly enough, involves far more than just COVID-19) then they are catastrophically failing and should be immediately relieved from their duties.

    They should have been listened to before Christmas. They were proven to be 100% right. Is the governments fault for not following them then.

    People still could have had a good Christmas in their own homes and allowing only people living on their own to go to another household.

    People like the bellyachers on here would have revolted so MM and LV **** the load when they should have held firm. It's basically the bellyachers fault that we are still in lockdown. Look at yourself dude.


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  • #9091
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,245 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    "Travellers should be prioritized for covid-19 vaccination"

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/travellers-should-be-prioritised-for-covid-19-vaccination-1.4489764?mode=amp

    What a load of bs :pac:


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