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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #9002
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I'm in Cork and it is really quite incredible how, in every lockdown, Cork comes down to very very low levels. Much lower than you'd expect given the size of Cork City.

    My own theory is that there is a lot more one-off housing in Cork, and lots more small towns. Fewer very large new build estates, very few apartment complexes. So when we lockdown, people when they "stay at home" are far further apart than Dublin or the commuter counties and that really helps.

    There is some Garda enforcement alright, but going from Cobh to Cork in the morning for work I meet nothing. That said, there are some fixed checkpoints on the main routes to Cork and mobile checkpoints, but not enough to cause the big differences seen in those numbers.


  • #9003
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Flu season is ending and the high risk groups are being vaccinated.

    Could have 1000 cases a day now, hospitalisations won’t go up

    2.4% of the population is fully vaccinated. We're far from being out of the woods.

    We have all the ingredients in place for another disaster in our hospitals. Hence the restrictions.


  • #9004
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    2.4% of the population is fully vaccinated. We're far from being out of the woods.

    We have all the ingredients in place for another disaster in our hospitals. Hence the restrictions.
    We're doing well for now though. If things continue as they are, we'll beat the virus..


  • #9005
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    2.4% of the population is fully vaccinated. We're far from being out of the woods.

    We have all the ingredients in place for another disaster in our hospitals. Hence the restrictions.

    Medical staff vaccinated - lockdown in place - what ingredients for a medical disaster are in place


  • #9006
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People talk about the December/January wave as if it were preventable.

    In an ideal world, infections are always preventable. But with Christmas, New Year, seasonal factors, and weather etc. - it was a perfect and inevitable storm that would lead to an enormous number of cases.

    Those who suggest, in practical and realistic terms, that it was "avoidable" are not living in the real world.

    Even if Chairman Holohan and Prefect Glynn attempted to enforce a stay-at-home order during that two-week period, the December-January wave would have happened to a large degree anyway - as it has in the rest of Europe, and as it did 100-years ago during the Spanish Flu.

    It wasn't avoidable. It was inevitable.

    Second, now that the height of winter is behind us, the perfect storm of contagion is over. There is no need to assume the same level of restrictions for that prior period to the future weeks and months.

    They are not comparable scenarios - though nefarious NPHET assumes that they are.

    Once summer comes in - with OR without vaccines - numbers will remain low regardless, as they did last summer throughout Europe, and as they did 100 years ago during the Spanish Flu. This is simply how infections work. It is no surprise to me that the pattern we see now, even with all the benefits of hindsight, is almost exactly the same kind of pattern 100 years ago.

    Let's accept the inevitable - open up to some degree with precautions, and leave this failed NPHET scientific experiment called "lockdown" behind us.


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  • #9007
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    marno21 wrote: »

    Cork, with Ireland's second city, is 2nd from bottom of the incidence level table at 97 per 100k which is impressive given the third level institutions, density of population etc.

    If Cork can achieve that level of suppression with a large city, no reason why many of the counties with much higher levels of incidence can't.

    There is heavy Garda enforcement of travel restrictions in Cork which may be helping.
    donegal down to 150 from 532 on dec 29th very little garda presence where I am

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #9008
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,607 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I wonder can you catch one of the other variants if you already had it, some talk of the vaccine not stopping the Brazilian variant
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #9009
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I wonder can you catch one of the other variants if you already had it, some talk of the vaccine not stopping the Brazilian variant

    You mean McConkey saying it and he's wrong.


  • #9010
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You mean McConkey saying it and he's wrong.

    If you came out at the start and said 0 people in Ireland would die from covid, you would be closer than his predictions.


  • #9011
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Ficheall wrote: »
    We're doing well for now though. If things continue as they are, we'll beat the virus..

    I think we're nearing the low water mark. If we continued on like this we'd have it beaten by mid May.
    But schools start to open in 8 days time.

    I don't know how that's going to go, but it's highly unlikely to have no impact on our case numbers.


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    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


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  • #9013
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Are we due some Moderna? Their dose figures are very low.


  • #9014
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    If you came out at the start and said 0 people in Ireland would die from covid, you would be closer than his predictions.

    He's a disgrace at this stage and it's bizarre he gets airtime.


  • #9015
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    People talk about the December/January wave as if it were preventable.

    In an ideal world, infections are always preventable. But with Christmas, New Year, seasonal factors, and weather etc. - it was a perfect and inevitable storm that would lead to an enormous number of cases.

    Those who suggest, in practical and realistic terms, that it was "avoidable" are not living in the real world.

    Even if Chairman Holohan and Prefect Glynn attempted to enforce a stay-at-home order during that two-week period, the December-January wave would have happened to a large degree anyway - as it has in the rest of Europe, and as it did 100-years ago during the Spanish Flu.

    It wasn't avoidable. It was inevitable.

    This is incorrect. Coming up on 1900 deaths in the past 7 and a half weeks was not inevitable. Other countries did not experience spikes anywhere as dramatic as ours around midwinter. We absolutely shot up to the top of the world league surpassing even the disastrous UK and became quite infamous for it worldwide in January. Only Portugal seems to have rivalled us with their post Christmas spike. There would have been a second wave due to winter, and indoor confinement and some seasonal socialising, but the extraordinary level of the spike and the number of deaths was absolutely not inevitable.


  • #9016
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I think we're nearing the low water mark. If we continued on like this we'd have it beaten by mid May.
    But schools start to open in 8 days time.

    I don't know how that's going to go, but it's highly unlikely to have no impact on our case numbers.


    The needs of children must be prioritised. If the government had been serious about really lowering case numbers and suppressing the virus they would of had a stricter lockdown in January. People can comply with shorter lockdowns.
    The longer this lockdown continues the less compliance there will be.


  • #9017
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Let's accept the inevitable - open up to some degree with precautions, and leave this failed NPHET scientific experiment called "lockdown" behind us.
    You have a real chip on your shoulder about NPHET.



    Lockdown has worked and is working. I can understand some people taking issue about whether it is worth the other costs, but trying to claim it hasn't reduced cases is ridiculous.


  • #9018
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    titan18 wrote: »
    Big difference between people walking by themselves or with own other Vs 10 people sitting on the footpath drinking cans together.
    .
    There's very little evidence of outdoor spread, even with studies which have looked at large-scale events such as political protests. You're only complaining because you can see them, and that leads to a waste of resources such as Garda cars driving around parks.

    Meanwhile the real risk is happening inside in places you can't see. Every minute the Guards spend driving around a park to look as if they are doing something is one less minute they could be spending trying to reduce the actual risk.


  • #9019
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Leitrim and Roscommon have achieved zero covid!:D Sligo very nearly there too. Maybe they can carve out their own New Zealand of the NorthWest...


  • #9020
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Most people trying to talk about mental health are the most disingenuous bunch around.

    Today on Twitter I saw someone using the suicide of a young girl to link to the pandemic and the lockdowns. So many people saying this is causing x, y, and z of a mental health pandemic and none of them gave a flying f*ck about the mental health issues we had before.

    I'm not trying to suggest that people aren't struggling with this. I absolutely believe they are, but the ones who are doing most of the shouting are just bored of looking at the same four walls all the time.

    It actually sickens me that people shout 'mental health!' when it's extremely complex and trying to shout that reopening the country will be better for people's mental health is just going to solve everything. Someone needs to tell these people that they haven't the clue about what going through depression and anxiety is actually like.

    It's being used as a political tool and it quite frankly sickens me.

    However, what the government are doing in that they're drip-feeding information and kite-flying suggestions out there while going days between sub-committee, and cabinet meetings is causing genuine and legitimate anger out there. THAT is something that causing people to lose their minds, and that needs to stop as well.

    Call a cabinet meeting, get the NPHET advice, address the nation, spell it out. This pussy-footing around has to stop.


  • #9021
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    This is incorrect. Coming up on 1900 deaths in the past 7 and a half weeks was not inevitable. Other countries did not experience spikes anywhere as dramatic as ours around midwinter. We absolutely shot up to the top of the world league surpassing even the disastrous UK and became quite infamous for it worldwide in January. Only Portugal seems to have rivalled us with their post Christmas spike. There would have been a second wave due to winter, and indoor confinement and some seasonal socialising, but the extraordinary level of the spike and the number of deaths was absolutely not inevitable.

    The reason the spike existed is because Ireland has almost uniquely avoided any form of herd immunity spread.

    It has become obsessed with limiting all viral transmission.

    That's why the spike was as big as it was. A spike itself was inevitable; the extreme policies implemented by Chairman Holohan etc. only amplified the spike when it did occur.


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  • #9022
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,334 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    If this is Britains roadmap out of lockdown then it will put some pressure on MM and co

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1363551368842207240?s=19


  • #9023
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Most people trying to talk about mental health are the most disingenuous bunch around.

    Today on Twitter I saw someone using the suicide of a young girl to link to the pandemic and the lockdowns. So many people saying this is causing x, y, and z of a mental health pandemic and none of them gave a flying f*ck about the mental health issues we had before.

    I'm not trying to suggest that people aren't struggling with this. I absolutely believe they are, but the ones who are doing most of the shouting are just bored of looking at the same four walls all the time.

    It actually sickens me that people shout 'mental health!' when it's extremely complex and trying to shout that reopening the country will be better for people's mental health is just going to solve everything. Someone needs to tell these people that they haven't the clue about what going through depression and anxiety is actually like.

    It's being used as a political tool and it quite frankly sickens me.

    However, what the government are doing in that they're drip-feeding information and kite-flying suggestions out there while going days between sub-committee, and cabinet meetings is causing genuine and legitimate anger out there. THAT is something that causing people to lose their minds, and that needs to stop as well.

    Call a cabinet meeting, get the NPHET advice, address the nation, spell it out. This pussy-footing around has to stop.

    I don't think that's fair. Not saying some are not using mental health as an excuse but it is an important issue.

    People can get lonely and not everyone has people nearby. I know people in my family that I would have concerns about, live alone, not many friends. Has a tendency to be very introverted and may not be too quick to admit they are suffering.

    Also people's living conditions can get amplified in these situations. Living in small apartments on top or each other. Domestic violence increasing as well.

    I'm not saying that mental health is the only concern but it is a concern for many.


  • #9024
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ficheall wrote: »
    You have a real chip on your shoulder about NPHET.



    Lockdown has worked and is working. I can understand some people taking issue about whether it is worth the other costs, but trying to claim it hasn't reduced cases is ridiculous.

    It has reduced cases; but permanent lockdown is not a viable solution.


  • #9025
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    giveitholly wrote: »
    If this is Britains roadmap out of lockdown then it will put some pressure on MM and co

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1363551368842207240?s=19

    Ah Jesus I thought that was us at first.....


  • #9026
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    giveitholly wrote: »
    If this is Britains roadmap out of lockdown then it will put some pressure on MM and co

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1363551368842207240?s=19

    I’m so envious of that :(


  • #9027
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1363570463423815683?s=19

    20% of worldwide deaths with only 5% of the world population


  • #9028
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    giveitholly wrote: »
    If this is Britains roadmap out of lockdown then it will put some pressure on MM and co
    We're about 6 weeks behind the UK in vaccinations, no reason why this can't be us in time.

    There's no pressure on anyone, the supply of vaccines will determine when we can open.


  • #9029
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    giveitholly wrote: »
    If this is Britains roadmap out of lockdown then it will put some pressure on MM and co

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1363551368842207240?s=19

    That's with construction not closing at all and all other outdoor workers continuing to work. If their case and hospital numbers remain stable it will definitely put the pressure on.


  • #9030
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    hmmm wrote: »
    There's very little evidence of outdoor spread, even with studies which have looked at large-scale events such as political protests. You're only complaining because you can see them, and that leads to a waste of resources such as Garda cars driving around parks.

    Meanwhile the real risk is happening inside in places you can't see. Every minute the Guards spend driving around a park to look as if they are doing something is one less minute they could be spending trying to reduce the actual risk.

    The prevalence of curtain twitching and spying on your neighbour is likely to be counter productive too.
    Last summer all our lot and most people that i know had lots of back garden meetups, bbqs and drinks etc.

    With the atmosphere of twitching endemic, people may take these meet ups indoors to avoid the prying gazes.


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  • #9031
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's with construction not closing at all and all other outdoor workers continuing to work. If their case and hospital numbers remain stable it will definitely put the pressure on.


    Just wait until the UK gets hit with the big scary UK variant!


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