Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

greenbicycle · 21-02-2021 04:28PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

That's madness. Mixing with more people.

not if it is done over zoom

Stateofyou · 21-02-2021 04:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No one is using boards as evidence of anything, just sharing a discussing issues in the knowledge that nothing said here will influence anything. Where as the Alerting Parents “report” is somehow evidence of the chronic situation in schools, and should be used to inform decisions. You would be as accurate canvassing the opinions of this thread or the restrictions thread which reflect polar opposite positions. It’s a self selecting demographic not in anyway representative of the wider view, maybe the view expressed in that page accord with the majority, I highly doubt it based on personal experience, but either way it is not representative of the overall

I disagree. They posted the HSE letters with every post/case. This report will probably collate that info and I think it also seeks to get opinion-anyone can start a poll and do the same and many do on boards. And as said the survey was wide reaching and widely seen on Twitter, fb and email. it's not self selecting. So you're going nowhere there.

is_that_so · 21-02-2021 04:55PM

greenbicycle wrote: »

not if it is done over zoom

You can't do a credible oral exam over Zoom. If schools managed to do the LC in November, this is very straightforward.

km79 · 21-02-2021 05:48PM

Millem wrote: »

“schools are being asked to source teachers locally to administer some of the tests.
Some additional assessment components in certain subjects will not run for public health reasons – the day Practical Examinations are a case in point.
It is important to note that teachers will not be required to assess their own students for any element of the traditional Leaving Certificate option.”

The above is from TUI.

They won’t be assessing them as the recording will be sent to the SEC for grading ......

Str8outtaWuhan · 21-02-2021 07:55PM

km79 wrote: »

They won’t be assessing them as the recording will be sent to the SEC for grading ......

Will they not be assessing them for the purposes of an AG ?

km79 · 21-02-2021 08:06PM

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Will they not be assessing them for the purposes of an AG ?

No those that are going for AG won’t be doing the oral as part of that.......

Str8outtaWuhan · 21-02-2021 08:10PM

km79 wrote: »

No those that are going for AG won’t be doing the oral as part of that.......

But if a student ops for AG and real exam do you not still have to do orals/practicals/projects?

Are teachers going to ignore them for the AG but include them for the real one

Seems strange esp in Euro languages where you you might have a fluent speaker but cant give grade based on an oral

km79 · 21-02-2021 08:13PM

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

But if a student ops for AG and real exam do you not still have to do orals/practicals/projects?

Are teachers going to ignore them for the AG but include them for the real one

Seems strange esp in Euro languages where you you might have a fluent speaker but cant give grade based on an oral

Yes teachers are expected to ignore the real orals for AG
The oral “plan” is ludicrous

Str8outtaWuhan · 21-02-2021 08:21PM

km79 wrote: »

Yes teachers are expected to ignore the real orals for AG
The oral “plan” is ludicrous

That sounds like a right mess, so if some student does an amazing painting or builds something, you can send it to sec for real correction or ignore it if you give an AG

madness

Millem · 21-02-2021 08:37PM

km79 wrote: »

They won’t be assessing them as the recording will be sent to the SEC for grading ......

They don’t need to get the class teacher though? Locally hired....could be anyone?

Random sample · 21-02-2021 08:47PM

Their oral ability is taken into account though, same as it would have been if they sat an exam. Their own teachers won’t be privy to how the oral exam went to include it in the prediction.

km79 · 21-02-2021 08:55PM

Millem wrote: »

They don’t need to get the class teacher though? Locally hired....could be anyone?

For schools in very rural locations there is no other local schools .
Also the idea of going to another school and mixing with another group of students s probably isn’t very appealing and certainly not in keeping with public health advice

Let’s see what the actual plan is first. I don’t think this one has been thought out yet ..........

km79 · 21-02-2021 08:55PM

Random sample wrote: »

Their oral ability is taken into account though, same as it would have been if they sat an exam. Their own teachers won’t be privy to how the oral exam went to include it in the prediction.

Unless they are doing the oral as Colm O rourke has suggested will happen

byhookorbycrook · 21-02-2021 10:04PM

km79 wrote: »

Unless they are doing the oral as Colm O rourke has suggested will happen

Colm O’Rourke, the media darling , isn’t a voice I’d listen to in this case .

km79 · 21-02-2021 10:05PM

Rte news saying LC and JI to 2nd class returning March 1st

combat14 · 21-02-2021 10:14PM

Covid-19: Many secondary students may not return to school until April 12th

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/covid-19-many-secondary-students-may-not-return-to-school-until-april-12th-1.4491227?mode=amp

JP100 · 21-02-2021 10:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The advice from NPHET not to return to school after Christmas did not come until January 5th. Before this there was no recommendation from NPHET not to reopen schools. The DES just proceeded with the original plan until told otherwise. The unions might believe they changed the direction, but they are deluded.

Your attempts to defend Norma Foley at all costs are getting more and more desperate everyday on here. It took a direct phone call from Tony Holohan to Michael Martin to knock Norma Foley out of her delusions that a full reopening of schools was possible in January. Foleys personal ego trip to bring back schools in January would have been catastrophic given the very fact that it has still not been deemed safe to bring back schools on any full capacity at all still. Most people recognise that Foley and the Department of Education have been extremely poor in their handling of education throughout this pandemic and for very good reason too.

combat14 · 21-02-2021 10:43PM

Interesting, thought provoking post from voice for teachers:

This needs to be highlighted.

On the 30th August 2020 42 new cases and 0 deaths were recorded.

On 20th February 2021 988 cases and 26 deaths were recorded.

The Government are well aware that children catch and spread variants at at rate of 13% higher than Adults as this has been scientifically proven in the UK with b117 the UK variant.

It has also been scientifically proven in the Netherlands that children are bringing this variant home from schools.Irish creches have gone from having 5% case rate to 12 % case rate since the variant hit our shores.

In the USA they were instructed to close schools if infections are at a rate of 50 to 100000, in Ireland we are opening when no where in Ireland is below an infection rate of 122 per 100000.

Is a cotton mask, hand washing and an open window going to prevent transmission of an airborne virus in a classroom?

kerrylad1 · 21-02-2021 11:30PM

Are children with special needs in mainstream,suppossed to be back in school tomorrow?We have heard nothing from my son's school.

km79 · 21-02-2021 11:32PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Are children with special needs in mainstream,suppossed to be back in school tomorrow?We have heard nothing from my son's school.

No

hesaidshesaid · 21-02-2021 11:35PM

JP100 wrote: »

Your attempts to defend Norma Foley at all costs are getting more and more desperate everyday on here. It took a direct phone call from Tony Holohan to Michael Martin to knock Norma Foley out of her delusions that a full reopening of schools was possible in January. Foleys personal ego trip to bring back schools in January would have been catastrophic given the very fact that it has still not been deemed safe to bring back schools on any full capacity at all still. Most people recognise that Foley and the Department of Education have been extremely poor in their handling of education throughout this pandemic and for very good reason too.

Hi, just wondering where the info on the direct call from TH to MM is coming from?

wirelessdude01 · 21-02-2021 11:35PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Are children with special needs in mainstream,suppossed to be back in school tomorrow?We have heard nothing from my son's school.

Nope. Not really much mention of AEN in all the leaks.

21-02-2021 11:49PM

JP100 wrote: »

Your attempts to defend Norma Foley at all costs are getting more and more desperate everyday on here. It took a direct phone call from Tony Holohan to Michael Martin to knock Norma Foley out of her delusions that a full reopening of schools was possible in January. Foleys personal ego trip to bring back schools in January would have been catastrophic given the very fact that it has still not been deemed safe to bring back schools on any full capacity at all still. Most people recognise that Foley and the Department of Education have been extremely poor in their handling of education throughout this pandemic and for very good reason too.

The recommendation to government did not come until January 5th. This is reality. I couldn’t give a sh1t about Foley. One FF minister is usually as incompetent as the next. Reality on the other hand, I do care about

alentejo · 22-02-2021 12:07AM

Looks like the majority of secondary students will be in school from 12th April to 25th of May ( Schools closing a week early to facilitate LC marking).

Why is additional teaching sourced for students.

km79 · 22-02-2021 12:12AM

alentejo wrote: »

Looks like the majority of secondary students will be in school from 12th April to 25th of May ( Schools closing a week early to facilitate LC marking).

Why is additional teaching sourced for students.

?

wirelessdude01 · 22-02-2021 12:14AM

alentejo wrote: »

Why is additional teaching sourced for students.

Whare are you on about?

Loafing Oaf · 22-02-2021 12:37AM

km79 wrote: »

Rte news saying LC and JI to 2nd class returning March 1st

I wonder is that irrespective of case numbers etc.

Midnight Sundance · 22-02-2021 07:35AM

combat14 wrote: »

Interesting, thought provoking post from voice for teachers:

This needs to be highlighted.

On the 30th August 2020 42 new cases and 0 deaths were recorded.

On 20th February 2021 988 cases and 26 deaths were recorded.

The Government are well aware that children catch and spread variants at at rate of 13% higher than Adults as this has been scientifically proven in the UK with b117 the UK variant.

It has also been scientifically proven in the Netherlands that children are bringing this variant home from schools.Irish creches have gone from having 5% case rate to 12 % case rate since the variant hit our shores.

In the USA they were instructed to close schools if infections are at a rate of 50 to 100000, in Ireland we are opening when no where in Ireland is below an infection rate of 122 per 100000.

Is a cotton mask, hand washing and an open window going to prevent transmission of an airborne virus in a classroom?

The government don't care about numbers. Once they keep the "we have to be back regardless of the consequences crowd " happy.

How they can say that those numbers are safe without having brought in an additional safety measures is beyond me! The least they could do Is provide proper protective masks but I reckon that's an ask too far

Random sample · 22-02-2021 08:05AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I wonder is that irrespective of case numbers etc.

Nothing ever is. Case numbers, hospital numbers and any increase in relation to schools reopening will be taken into account.

combat14 · 22-02-2021 08:46AM

From the indo today lest we forget:

‘I told the paramedics you have to take me in, I’m dying’ – one woman’s Covid hell

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/i-told-the-paramedics-you-have-to-take-me-in-im-dying-one-womans-covid-hell-40116437.html

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