When will it all end?

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:24PM

beauf wrote: »

My favourite was everywhere is closed and you're not allowed to do anything.

You are a barrell of laughs !!

drunkmonkey · 21-02-2021 08:24PM

beauf wrote: »

Cars are not allowed everywhere. They are banned from closed roads and pedestrian areas for example. They are controlled.

Come on that's like saying JCB's aren't allowed in swimming pools. They are controlled.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:25PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's amazing that even with vaccines being rolled out, the pro-lockdown crowd are still demanding permanent lockdowns.

The anti lockdown crowd want anarchy and no rules and regulations on anything, including cars.

Scotty # · 21-02-2021 08:26PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's amazing that even with vaccines being rolled out, the pro-lockdown crowd are still demanding permanent lockdowns.

No body is 'pro lockdown'. I think everyone wants to see the back of them but twice we've seen the result of opening things back up before we should have.

The main objective of lockdowns is to keep our health service functioning, nothing more.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:27PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Come on that's like saying JCB's aren't allowed in swimming pools. They are controlled.

I think you're digging a hole for yourself.

Do you want JCBs in swimming pools?

end of the road · 21-02-2021 08:30PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's amazing that even with vaccines being rolled out, the pro-lockdown crowd are still demanding permanent lockdowns.

can you provide examples of, and links to people calling for permanent lock downs?
simply calling for a lock down in the past or a lock down for a short amount of time won't be acceptable, it has to be someone or someones calling for actual permanent lock downs.

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:31PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Come on that's like saying JCB's aren't allowed in swimming pools. They are controlled.

Agreed. And planes can't land on the M50.....

Think the whole ban cars and we have no road deaths is a facile example but it is relevant as it clearly illustrates society is prepared to tolerate death and serious injury in a limited way so we can live......

Bit like for most people under the age of 65 Covid isn't a risk worth thinking about but we have society shut down.....because no one can admit we panicked and have got it totally wrong.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:31PM

Scotty # wrote: »

No body is 'pro lockdown'. I think everyone wants to see the back of them but twice we've seen the result of opening things back up before we should have.

The main objective of lockdowns is to keep our health service functioning, nothing more.

I'm not sure the pro Covid crowd get it...

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:32PM

beauf wrote: »

I think you're digging a hole for yourself.

Do you want JCBs in swimming pools?

Well they are quite handy when you building a swimming pool so maybe we should reword this one.

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:33PM

beauf wrote: »

I'm not sure the pro Covid crowd get it...

Is this a new faction you have made up ? Haven't heard of the Pro Covid crowd ?

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 08:34PM

Scotty # wrote: »

No body is 'pro lockdown'. I think everyone wants to see the back of them but twice we've seen the result of opening things back up before we should have.

The main objective of lockdowns is to keep our health service functioning, nothing more.

Our health service is barely functional at the best of times. We might as well permanently shut the country down and burn the place to the ground if that's the metric.

The pro-lockdown crowd offer absolutely nothing. Even when cases were in single digits, they were crowing for more restrictions. Confronted with facts, acceptable risk, any criticism of our failed testing and contact tracing system, or solutions to avoid full-scale national lockdowns, they don't want to know.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:38PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Is this a new faction you have made up ? Haven't heard of the Pro Covid crowd ?

They are closely affiliated to the permanent lockdowners. Which also seems to made up.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 08:38PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Agreed. And planes can't land on the M50.....

Think the whole ban cars and we have no road deaths is a facile example but it is relevant as it clearly illustrates society is prepared to tolerate death and serious injury in a limited way so we can live......

Bit like for most people under the age of 65 Covid isn't a risk worth thinking about but we have society shut down.....because no one can admit we panicked and have got it totally wrong.

We accept these risks without giving them a second thought.

When I got into my car today, I didn't think "right, better not crash and kill anyone today".

When I walked across the road, I didn't see my life flash before my eyes.

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:38PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Our health service is barely functional at the best of times. We might as well permanently shut the country down and burn the place to the ground if that's the metric.

The pro-lockdown crowd offer absolutely nothing. Even when cases were in single digits, they were crowing for more restrictions. Confronted with facts, acceptable risk, any criticism of our failed testing and contact tracing system, or solutions to avoid full-scale national lockdowns, they don't want to know.

Agreed, it had been broken for years. This 'protect our health service' mantra is the classic last ditch defence of the pro lockdown brigade.......so let's think this one through. If the health service is operating over capacity and beyond safe levels of bed occupancy etc we should close down society until demand reduces. That in essence is what they are arguing for.

In that case every winter in living memory we should have had a lockdown....

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:39PM

beauf wrote: »

They are closely affiliated to the permanent lockdowners. Which also seems to made up.

Any relation to the People's Front of Judea ?

xhomelezz · 21-02-2021 08:40PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I did, read what Mike Ryan said the other day, he's pretty clear, the lockdown should be on the sick and their contacts. The rest of us should not be restricted.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197553-trocaire-mike-ryan/

OMFG you still don't understand basics of spread do you?

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:40PM

GazzaL wrote: »

We accept these risks without giving them a second thought.

When I got into my car today, I didn't think "right, better not crash and kill anyone today".

When I walked across the road, I didn't see my life flash before my eyes.

I can see why you feel car insurance is pointless.

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:40PM

GazzaL wrote: »

We accept these risks without giving them a second thought.

When I got into my car today, I didn't think "right, better not crash and kill anyone today".

When I walked across the road, I didn't see my life flash before my eyes.

Hope you didn't go beyond 5km or you probably have killed someone.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:41PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Any relation to the People's Front of Judea ?

...Splitters...

drunkmonkey · 21-02-2021 08:41PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

OMFG you still don't understand basics of spread do you?

Hi Scotty

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:42PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Hope you didn't go beyond 5km or you probably have killed someone.

I thought he wasn't allowed to do anything. So he can't go anywhere according to the pro Covid crowd. Can't leave the house. Nothing.

xhomelezz · 21-02-2021 08:43PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Hi Scotty

I'm not Scotty, why would you say that?

Silentcorner · 21-02-2021 08:43PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Agreed, it had been broken for years. This 'protect our health service' mantra is the classic last ditch defence of the pro lockdown brigade.......so let's think this one through. If the health service is operating over capacity and beyond safe levels of bed occupancy etc we should close down society until demand reduces. That in essence is what they are arguing for.

In that case every winter in living memory we should have had a lockdown....

This is a Health Service that has no problem leaving grannies on trollies in corridors with strangers in huge numbers for weeks on end every year without fail....they would make you sick...if this was about our health service, the only number that would matter is hospitalizations which for 80% of the last year, has been on the floor...we've spent 100% of that time in some serious levels of restrictions.

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-02-2021 08:46PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why can't we listen to the advice from the WHO, restrictions should be on sick people and their contacts. Mike Ryan has being saying it from the start and reiterated it the other day.

""I've said this since the beginning, if you focus on cases, contacts and clusters, if you focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society", he said.

Cos the WHO told us human to human transmission wasnt a thing? The same WHO who have been consistently given the run around by China

Everyone knows that to do, actually doing it seems very difficult for most governments

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:46PM

beauf wrote: »

I thought he wasn't allowed to do anything. So he can't go anywhere according to the pro Covid crowd. Can't leave the house. Nothing.

Sorry who are the Pro Covid crowd, seems to me you have them confused with the Pro lockdown brigade or is there a split and the anti Covid Union are now aligned to the lockdown neutral lot due to a disagreement with the free choice lockdown alliance.

Wash your hands while talking to Joe.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:49PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Agreed, it had been broken for years. This 'protect our health service' mantra is the classic last ditch defence of the pro lockdown brigade.......so let's think this one through. If the health service is operating over capacity and beyond safe levels of bed occupancy etc we should close down society until demand reduces. That in essence is what they are arguing for.

In that case every winter in living memory we should have had a lockdown....

So we are back to its just a flu.

So if you want your surgeon to operate on you when they have the flu. That must mean you want everyone to work when they have the flu. I'm curious what other highly infectious illnesses will you no longer allow to be used for sick leave, paid or unpaid.

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:50PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

This is a Health Service that has no problem leaving grannies on trollies in corridors with strangers in huge numbers for weeks on end every year without fail....they would make you sick...if this was about our health service, the only number that would matter is hospitalizations which for 80% of the last year, has been on the floor...we've spent 100% of that time in some serious levels of restrictions.

Yes the irony hasn't been lost on me either. We suddenly seem to care about 80 and 90 year olds dieing whereas year after year they have just been a statistic. And by the way you are lucky to get a trolley normally, a chair is standard treatment procedure.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:53PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

This is a Health Service that has no problem leaving grannies on trollies in corridors with strangers in huge numbers for weeks on end every year without fail....they would make you sick...if this was about our health service, the only number that would matter is hospitalizations which for 80% of the last year, has been on the floor...we've spent 100% of that time in some serious levels of restrictions.

So we have a problem with grannies on trollies but giving them Covid is ok. That's the logic? We are outraged about the trollies only....

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:55PM

beauf wrote: »

So we are back to its just a flu.

So if you want your surgeon to operate on you when they have the flu. That must mean you want everyone to work when they have the flu. I'm curious what other highly infectious illnesses will you no longer allow to be used for sick leave, paid or unpaid.

Never said it was the flu. I have made a mistake though.

The save our health service argument is not the only defence method for the lockdown zealots, when challenged they resort to the 'so you think it's a flu' as a final attempt to avoid having a safe discussion.

Can I ask you one question ?

What exact criteria would you require for all restrictions and I mean all restrictions to be lifted ?

mcsean2163 · 21-02-2021 08:57PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Never said it was the flu. I have made a mistake though.

The save our health service argument is not the only defence method for the lockdown zealots, when challenged they resort to the 'so you think it's a flu' as a final attempt to avoid having a safe discussion.

Can I ask you one question ?

What exact criteria would you require for all restrictions and I mean all restrictions to be lifted ?

Blowjobs.

When will it all end?

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