When will it all end?

beauf · 21-02-2021 12:31PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Don't agree. The 1950's and 1960's flu outbreaks were extensive and nasty and highly virulent. It is just our reaction this time has been so different.

I didn't say they weren't. I just said Covid was worse.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-02-2021 12:33PM

bubblypop wrote: »

But weird. I know what Venice looks like, I can look forward to lots of things.
Not sure why you would post that video. Unless you're just trying to actually depress people?

Anyway, I am a believer in obeying the laws of the country. I don't always agree with the laws but I am happy enough to go alongside the general consensus.

I do agree with lockdowns to a certain extent, and bans on movement, to a certain extent. But only to get initial high numbers down, and keep the health system going. I would have much preferred a curfew system then closing everything! We have dropped the daily cases from 8000ish to under 1000, what else do they need?

I'm waiting to hear the official statement from the taoiseach (March is it?) But hopefully after that, there will be an actual end in sight and the beginning of opening up again.

I couldn't blame business owners and employees from starting some kind of disobedience, or even large scale peaceful protests.

I found video to be extremely uplifting. You can see tourists, outdoor dinning, beautiful architecture. Whats depressing about that?

I think, based on 2nd part in bold, you do realise that things cant continue as they are and something has to be done. We agree on something atleast

Ginger n Lemon · 21-02-2021 12:36PM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-in-ireland-lockdown-rules-must-stay-until-waiting-lists-fall-says-nphet-76pvt0m7r

Covid-19 in Ireland: Lockdown rules must stay until waiting lists fall, says Nphet

To answer the question from post #1 in the thread, it will all end when waiting lists fall.

beauf · 21-02-2021 12:37PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Is this a joke question? A curfew from what.
Everything is presently closed in Ireland

Other countries that people suggest had less restrictions than Ireland actually had worse restrictions like curfew. If people want the same restrictions as somewhere else then they must those worse restrictions. Like a curfew.

You'd have to look at the curfews in other countries. They didn't do it the same way.

Everything isn't presently closed in Ireland. I'll be going out to a park shortly, and will stop for a coffee on the way. If I need to fill the car I'll be able to do that and buy something in the shop.

beauf · 21-02-2021 12:40PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I found video to be extremely uplifting. You can see tourists, outdoor dinning, beautiful architecture. Whats depressing about that?

I think, based on 2nd part in bold, you do realise that things cant continue as they are and something has to be done. We agree on something atleast

What people find depressing doesn't work the same for everyone.

Doesn't alcohol n work like that, it can make you happier or more sad. I can't remember.

beauf · 21-02-2021 12:41PM

Thespoofer wrote: »

You can be sure they'll pay their own salaries first before any improvements in our healthcare system are considered.

If you can't beat them join them...

dalyboy · 21-02-2021 12:43PM

beauf wrote: »

Other countries that people suggest had less restrictions than Ireland actually had worse restrictions like curfew. If people want the same restrictions as somewhere else then they must those worse restrictions. Like a curfew.

You'd have to look at the curfews in other countries. They didn't do it the same way.

Everything isn't presently closed in Ireland. I'll be going out to a park shortly, and will stop for a coffee on the way. If I need to fill the car I'll be able to do that and buy something in the shop.

Can I see a white paper or any citation that backs up that assertion in bold please. You must clearly have scientific experimentation to back it up otherwise is it a page from some tyrannical novel your reading ?

beauf · 21-02-2021 12:44PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It gets overloaded every year, without fail. We don't shut the whole country down because of it. What have the Government, HSE and NPHET done to address this in the last 12 months? **** all.

It doesn't get overloaded the same way. Are people still saying this is the same as flu? Wow.

When you say "... address this..." I assume you mean the annual overcrowding and lack of capacity.

Well they can do little in a pandemic. But take the new children's hospital. It's 2 billion and rising with no extra beds. That's what they are doing....

Ginger n Lemon · 21-02-2021 12:47PM

beauf wrote: »

It doesn't get overloaded the same way. Are people still saying this is the same as flu? Wow.

When you say "... address this..." I assume you mean the annual overcrowding and lack of capacity.

Well they can do little in a pandemic. But take the new children's hospital. It's 2 billion and rising with no extra beds. That's what they are doing....

Ok.

Let us know when it ceases to be a pandemic and when we can hold them accountable.

2024? Poor politicians, HSE. Can do little before then. Lets clap for them? :pac:

beauf · 21-02-2021 12:49PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Can I see a white paper or any citation that backs up that assertion in bold please. You must clearly have scientific experimentation to back it up otherwise is it a page from some tyrannical novel your reading ?

You want me to backup with scientific experimentation that some countries implemented curfews or that people in this thread wanted to copy other countries approach. Is that your question?

beauf · 21-02-2021 12:52PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ok.

Let us know when it ceases to be a pandemic and when we can hold them accountable.

2024? Poor politicians, HSE. Can do little before then. Lets clap for them? :pac:

Problems you're talking about have existed for decades. Why haven't you held them accountable before now.

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-02-2021 12:54PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Is this a joke question? A curfew from what.
Everything is presently closed in Ireland

Utter nonsense, even the pound shop in my town is open

PhoneMain · 21-02-2021 12:54PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It gets overloaded every year, without fail. We don't shut the whole country down because of it. What have the Government, HSE and NPHET done to address this in the last 12 months? **** all.

This is the most stupid, ill informed take what I've seen floating around this year. Yes the hospital systems are under pressure every January. Yes we have people lying on trolleys. Yes its extensively covered by the media. Yes we havent addressed it. But......

That pressure every January doesnt lead to our ICUs being overwhelmed.
That pressure isn't due to 1 respiratory illness
That pressure doesnt lead to staff shortages
That pressure doesnt lead to people getting ICU treatment outside of ICU
That pressure doesnt lead to people in their 40s and 50s getting high level oxygen therapy.

This all happened this January. The pressure that was felt by the hospital system in January was mostly down to 1 respiratory illness, Covid. Flu every year doesnt cause the issues that Covid did this January. Say what you want about how poor our hospitals cope every January but it was nothing compared to the pressure that came on this January.

I say all this not to say that I am in favour of lockdowns until Summer. I say this to dispel the idiotic notion that what happened this January in Ireland was like anything thats happened the last few years in January. I've worked in hospitals in other Januarys, believe me there wasnt people with flu rampant all over the hospital, unlike this year where there was people sick with Covid coming in the doors all day.

bucketybuck · 21-02-2021 12:55PM

beauf wrote: »

Fact remains that controls do work on reducing the transmission of a virus.

Yet here we are, a full year later and despite living under restrictions for 12 months now, still we are being told that the virus is out of control and that we need to do more.

What are they going to be telling us in another 12 months?

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

To answer the question from post #1 in the thread, it will all end when waiting lists fall.

The waiting lists will never fall, not with all the other undiagnosed illnesses currently being swept under the carpet, they are still bubbling away there ready to join those lists when needed.

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 12:55PM

beauf wrote: »

I didn't say they weren't. I just said Covid was worse.

Genuinely don't think it is any worse, in fact I would prefer it to a virulent flu as flu kills kids and younger people in a virulent form. Covid has been and remains a risk for the elderly and frail in any substantial way.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-02-2021 12:55PM

beauf wrote: »

Problems you're talking about have existed for decades. Why haven't you held them accountable before now.

Incorrect.

Problems I am talking about have been getting worse since 2014. Using "pandemic" term that resulted in less people dying in 2020 than in 2019 in this country as a reason for not doing anything about the problem for the next few months, years is extremely lazy, unaccountable and just foolish.

If this pandemic is as deadly as serious as you suggest then I have to wonder why is there such lack of urgency about improving our healthcare system, now. not in 2027.

dalyboy · 21-02-2021 12:56PM

beauf wrote: »

You want me to backup with scientific experimentation that some countries implemented curfews or that people in this thread wanted to copy other countries approach. Is that your question?

It’s quite simple really . You made this statement
“If people want the same restrictions as somewhere else then they must those worse restrictions. Like a curfew.”

Please back up this statement with past scientific experimentation to prove its validity.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-02-2021 01:02PM

I would just like to point out something that isnt talked enough about.

Every lockdown decision made has never called out any numbers specifically. Its always been "too high" "very concerning" rubbish.

How can you possibly support the "laws" and "the govt" when decisions that affect 4.9 million people are done without any specific exit strategy? This is bizarre. Its tin foil hat stuff to be nodding your head "yeah we are saving granny" while govt puts thousands of SME's out of business by entering lockdowns without any specific "we are going to go to level 4 or 3 when there are less than 1000 daily cases for 7 consecutive days" as an example.

I am ashamed of just how stupid people have been about this point. Shrugging shoulders is just not good enough anymore. Absolutely disgraceful.

beauf · 21-02-2021 01:03PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Utter nonsense, even the pound shop in my town is open

Lol

dalyboy · 21-02-2021 01:04PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Utter nonsense, even the pound shop in my town is open

Pound shops never shut. Even in April 2020.

Is this op actually suggesting a curfew on pound shops and chippers etc ?
If he is suggesting that he’s off his nut

beauf · 21-02-2021 01:08PM

dalyboy wrote: »

It’s quite simple really . You made this statement
“If people want the same restrictions as somewhere else then they must those worse restrictions. Like a curfew.”

Please back up this statement with past scientific experimentation to prove its validity.

I see. Well this thread itself is case study. People have said why don't we do the same as France. Well Paris has a curfew. So wanting to copy France is wanting a curfew.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 01:09PM

beauf wrote: »

It doesn't get overloaded the same way. Are people still saying this is the same as flu? Wow.

When you say "... address this..." I assume you mean the annual overcrowding and lack of capacity.

Well they can do little in a pandemic. But take the new children's hospital. It's 2 billion and rising with no extra beds. That's what they are doing....

I haven't said it's the same as flu. They've had 12 months to come up with a plan to deal with the pandemic and address long-standing capacity issues, they've done **** all on both counts. Not to mention their abysmal performance in testing and contact tracing. We'll all die of old age before the HSE's problems are solved, I'm not sacrificing my life for a bunch of incompetent clowns.

21-02-2021 01:09PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-in-ireland-lockdown-rules-must-stay-until-waiting-lists-fall-says-nphet-76pvt0m7r

Covid-19 in Ireland: Lockdown rules must stay until waiting lists fall, says Nphet

To answer the question from post #1 in the thread, it will all end when waiting lists fall.

Right. So level 5 forever then? NPHET can take a run and jump.

bucketybuck · 21-02-2021 01:11PM

beauf wrote: »

I see. Well this thread itself is case study. People have said why don't we do the same as France. Well Paris has a curfew. So wanting to copy France is wanting a curfew.

You seem to be missing the point.

Why would we care whether there is a curfew or not, we're already not allowed to do anything!

markodaly · 21-02-2021 01:13PM

We are averaging 700-800 cases a day, and people are surprised and angry that we are NOT re-opening anytime soon?

Sure, lets just reopen for the craic and see what happens. It is not like we have tried it 3 times now.

Im so glad, the people here are just posting online and are not running the country.

beauf · 21-02-2021 01:13PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yet here we are, a full year later and despite living under restrictions for 12 months now, still we are being told that the virus is out of control and that we need to do more.
...

The restrictions were mostly lifted at times during the year, summer and Xmas so it's not 12 months. People were able to go on holiday and do their Xmas shopping, have meal out, socialise at home and out.

beauf · 21-02-2021 01:15PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You seem to be missing the point.

Why would we care whether there is a curfew or not, we're already not allowed to do anything!

How are you posting in this forum then. If you are not allowed to do "Anything"

beauf · 21-02-2021 01:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Right. So level 5 forever then? NPHET can take a run and jump.

How long have we been in Level 5. Six weeks?

Not much exaggeration there then...

beauf · 21-02-2021 01:21PM

GazzaL wrote: »

I haven't said it's the same as flu. They've had 12 months to come up with a plan to deal with the pandemic and address long-standing capacity issues, they've done **** all on both counts. Not to mention their abysmal performance in testing and contact tracing. We'll all die of old age before the HSE's problems are solved, I'm not sacrificing my life for a bunch of incompetent clowns.

Its being inferred it's no different to the annual crisis. Which makes no sense.

If they've done nothing. Then why are you complaining about a lockdown if it doesn't exist.

bucketybuck · 21-02-2021 01:24PM

beauf wrote: »

The restrictions were mostly lifted at times during the year, summer and Xmas so it's not 12 months. People were able to go on holiday and do their Xmas shopping, have meal out, socialise at home and out.

beauf wrote: »

How are you posting in this forum then. If you are not allowed to do "Anything"

This is the sort of bull**** people have to put up with. I have had core civil liberties removed, things that throughout human history would have been considered unalienable rights, and yet here we have some guy smugly telling me I should be grateful that I can still go on the internet.

I haven't had a life for a full year and some guy is telling me that actually it didn't happen, because for a few weeks last year I could have eaten some food in a heavily restricted former restaurant.

Whats next? We have closed all shops and you can't get food any more, but you can still get water from the tap so what are you complaining about... :rolleyes:

I say one thing, this whole thing has really opened my eyes as to the mentality of the Irish people, I never quite realised how petty and sycophantic so many of them can be, it seems there is no level of incompetence that will not be accepted or even defended to the hilt.

When will it all end?

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