When will it all end?

19-02-2021 10:49PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s all well and good with all the condescending and ‘ do gooders’ posts regarding travel. Travel isn’t all about holidays. I was talking to a polish woman and she was quite distressed not knowing when she’ll see her 80+ year old mother back in Poland again.

That would be very stressful for anyone. Why with two negative tests one here before she leaves and another before she returns or antigen test at airport can’t she travel. I understand she can’t but it seems very draconian. I wonder would people like this just be tempted to leave here for good. Poor woman and there has to be many more like her.

JimCore · 19-02-2021 10:52PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sick of hearing this horse****.

"People went nuts". :rolleyes: Yeah, I remember them packing out Coppers and having raves in Croke park alright.

The numbers dont lie sherlock. A virus needs people interacting.

Oh I know actually youre right. Santa brought it down the chimney!!

Keep wearing the mask will ya!

ShineOn7 · 19-02-2021 10:52PM

Re: Wales. Story is now updated on Sky

It absolutely is not a "lifting of their restrictions"

To claim such is hyperbole

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-very-modest-changes-to-lockdown-restrictions-in-wales-12222781

Very modest changes to lockdown restrictions in Wales

From Saturday, four people from two different households can exercise outdoors together to help those struggling during lockdown.

"This does not mean that it is permissible for people to drive somewhere to exercise and it does mean exercise, not socialising," Mr Drakeford said.

Sure skangers up and down Ireland have been meeting with two households and more for many months now. And - what's worse - they've been doing it indoors

It's a big part of why we had 8,000 cases in one day in January why a thousand Irish people were put in the ground in the same month

To say Wales are lifting restrictions is completely reductive at best and just false at worst

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 10:54PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sick of hearing this horse****.

"People went nuts". :rolleyes: Yeah, I remember them packing out Coppers and having raves in Croke park alright.

It makes a handy distraction from the dismal failure of health authorities protecting residents of care homes...despite having 8 months to prepare for it!

It is utterly unscientific also, but that doesn't matter...viruses only surge when we all party and act like children.

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 10:55PM

JimCore wrote: »

The numbers dont lie sherlock. A virus needs people interacting.

Oh I know actually youre right. Santa brought it down the chimney!!

Keep wearing the mask will ya!

Why didn't they surge last summer, plenty of interaction everywhere?

JimCore · 19-02-2021 10:57PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

It makes a handy distraction from the dismal failure of health authorities protecting residents of care homes...despite having 8 months to prepare for it!

It is utterly unscientific also, but that doesn't matter...viruses only surge when we all party and act like children.

Youve just contradicted your entire arguement. If the nursing home situation did not change since the virus arrived why did we see a large surge in cases around the same time we eased restrictions at the end of 2020!?

I appreciate the debate but please stop wearing your mask below your nose.

Kivaro · 19-02-2021 10:58PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Re: Wales. Story is now updated on Sky

It absolutely is not a "lifting of their restrictions"

To claim such is hyperbole

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-very-modest-changes-to-lockdown-restrictions-in-wales-12222781

Sure skangers up and down Ireland have been meeting with two households and more for many months now. And - what's worse - they've been doing it indoors

It's a big part of why we had 8,000 cases in one day in January why a thousand Irish people were put in the ground in the same month

To say Wales are lifting restrictions is completely reductive at best and just false at worst

Ok, we get where you are at.

JimCore · 19-02-2021 10:59PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Why didn't they surge last summer, plenty of interaction everywhere?

Maybe due to the lack of a more contagious variant and as you mentioned people met outdoors more.

In winter people tend to congregate more indoors. Just what a virus would prefer.

Id have thought that would be glaringly obvious.

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 11:03PM

JimCore wrote: »

Youve just contradicted your entire arguement. If the nursing home situation did not change since the virus arrived why did we see a large surge in cases around the same time we eased restrictions at the end of 2020!?

I appreciate the debate but please stop wearing your mask below your nose.

What? Lay off the drugs mate....

We didn't do enough to protect the residents, we were still using the PCR testing kits which essentially means carers cannot react quick enough to infections....this was deliberate policy, it directly led to excess deaths....care homes are home to the demographic most at risk, it was yet another Health Authority failure from one of the most dysfunctional health system in this part of the world.

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 11:06PM

JimCore wrote: »

Maybe due to the lack of a more contagious variant and as you mentioned people met outdoors more.

In winter people tend to congregate more indoors. Just what a virus would prefer.

Id have thought that would be glaringly obvious.

Of course it is obvious.

So our options were to lockdown level 5 from mid Oct to May, which is utterly insane

Or manage the winter surge in a more balanced manner, shielding the old and vulnerable for that 6 week period that we know we are going to get.

I'm glad you admit it is seasonal, surely you must agree staying in severe lockdown mode from Mid March on is beyond ridiculous.

Lundstram · 19-02-2021 11:06PM

"people went nuts at Christmas"

You mean humans met other humans to celebrate Christmas just like humans have done for the last few thousand years?

The bastards.

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 11:08PM

Lundstram wrote: »

"people went nuts at Christmas"

You mean humans met other humans to celebrate Christmas just like humans have done for the last few thousand years?

The bastards.

They have become the baying mob....frothing at the mouth about people leaving their homes to celebrate Christmas with members of their families and friends...headbangers!!!

GazzaL · 19-02-2021 11:10PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

They have become the baying mob....frothing at the mouth about people leaving their homes to celebrate Christmas with members of their families and friends...headbangers!!!

There's probably restricted capacity in psychiatric hospitals because of COVID restrictions.

GT89 · 19-02-2021 11:14PM

aido79 wrote: »

You're probably aware that covid19 is a type of coronavirus at this stage. This type of virus has been intently studied since the 1920's so while there might not have been studies on covid19 there is a lot of information available on diseases closely related to it such as SARS and MERS. I would think with the amount of people involved in the research of covid19 at the stage around the world it's a little bit better than guesswork.

This is why Dolores Cahill isn't on nphet:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/debunked-dolores-cahill-covid-19-video-masks-lockdown-vaccines-5315519-Jan2021/%3famp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29R2NR

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ucd-professor-asked-to-resign-from-eu-committee-over-covid-19-claims-1.4277698%3fmode=amp

She is nuttier than squirrel sh&t and anyone who takes any notice of her needs their head examined.

And if it has been around for so long why haven't there been lockdowns until now.

We are constantly been we cant talk about solutions to covid as we are not qualified but when someone who is qualified in this case Delores Cahill says something different to rest of them she's considered a nut job.

GT89 · 19-02-2021 11:20PM

jmlad2020 wrote: »

2022 we will begin to see the COVID ice thaw. Get used to it people you don't need a trip to Lanzarote this summer.

Ile be going away come the summer regardless of NPHET say.

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 11:20PM

GT89 wrote: »

And if it has been around for so long why haven't there been lockdowns until now.

We are constantly been we cant talk about solutions to covid as we are not qualified but when someone who is qualified in this case Delores Cahill says something different to rest of them she's considered a nut job.

These lockdowns are not based on medical best practice or science, they are the opposite, any body who advocates lockdowns is anti science and anti medical best practice.

(this is based on the assumption that in order to be properly assessed from a medical and scientific approach, a lot more time would be required to assess all the relevant data for all implicated health outcomes for anyone in the medical or scientific industry to legitimately take a positive position on lockdowns)

Therefore, it is anti science and anti medical best practice what we are witnessing, anyone who doesn't think so is a complete charlatan and/or grifter.

markodaly · 19-02-2021 11:22PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You mean the same health authorities who are imposing the harshest, most inhumane, economically and socially destructive policies ever witnessed despite the complete absence of scientific or medical data to back them up?

If hospital bed occupancy is not a solid metric then I don't know what is...

Yea, sure in a global pandemic, let's not listen to the scientists or public health experts...

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 11:24PM

markodaly wrote: »

Yea, sure in a global pandemic, let's not listen to the scientists or public health experts...

Did you listen to the over 15,000 scientists or public health experts who signed The Great Barrington Declaration?

markodaly · 19-02-2021 11:30PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Did you listen to the over 15,000 scientists or public health experts who signed The Great Barrington Declaration?

Oh, the one that was found to be peddling fake news and falsehoods, that Declaration?

Anthony Fauci, the director of the American National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and lead member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, called the declaration "ridiculous", "total nonsense" and "very dangerous", saying that it would lead to a large number of avoidable deaths.[11][51][52] Fauci said that 30 percent of the population had underlying health conditions that made them vulnerable to the virus and that "older adults, even those who are otherwise healthy, are far more likely than young adults to become seriously ill if they get COVID-19."[51] He added, "This idea that we have the power to protect the vulnerable is total nonsense because history has shown that that's not the case. And if you talk to anybody who has any experience in epidemiology and infectious diseases, they will tell you that that is risky, and you'll wind up with many more infections of vulnerable people, which will lead to hospitalizations and deaths.

Rezident · 19-02-2021 11:35PM

If you have not copped it by now, you can safely ignore pretty much everything this government says, they will change their advice a few days/weeks/months later anyway. Stop watching the Irish 'News'.

Be responsible, educate yourself, know the risks and live your life. Choose love, not this fear. I am lucky I chose love instead and still not one of my family or friends have gotten COVID, so it was worth it. Even seeing my girlfriend once every two weeks or so has been a lifesaver, for both of us (she is alone in Ireland and her family are all thousands of miles away in her home country).

I genuinely feel so much for the people who listened to this government and are now isolated, lonely, depressed and verging on suicide. And for what? Cases would be high anyway as the clowns have still not secured our borders, as China did in January 2020!

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 11:37PM

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, the one that was found to be peddling fake news and falsehoods, that Declaration?

Fauci? Seriously?

The man has flip flopped more times than a nervous kid...and that is just on masks, which he now wants Americans to wear two of after telling them previously they were a waste of time....the states that are ignoring him are flying!!!

You are willing to bin the opinions of 15,000 medical and scientific health experts because of the word of Fauci!!!!

Ya...I can see how you are easily manipulated.

19-02-2021 11:38PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

These lockdowns are not based on medical best practice or science, they are the opposite, any body who advocates lockdowns is anti science and anti medical best practice.

(this is based on the assumption that in order to be properly assessed from a medical and scientific approach, a lot more time would be required to assess all the relevant data for all implicated health outcomes for anyone in the medical or scientific industry to legitimately take a positive position on lockdowns)

Therefore, it is anti science and anti medical best practice what we are witnessing, anyone who doesn't think so is a complete charlatan and/or grifter.

No NPHET spend their days watching YouTube videos forwarded by hairdressers from Coolock. If only they got in touch with you, you would be able to deliver a public health plan. Maybe send them an email? Your genius is clearly being wasted on here.

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 11:39PM

Gwen Strong Boy wrote: »

No NPHET spend their days watching YouTube videos forwarded by hairdressers from Coolock. If only they got in touch with you, you would be able to deliver a public health plan. Maybe send them an email? Your genius is clearly being wasted on here.

You have no argument obviously, if you did you wouldn't have to resort to childish retorts like the one above....

Lundstram · 19-02-2021 11:46PM

Gwen Strong Boy wrote: »

No NPHET spend their days watching YouTube videos forwarded by hairdressers from Coolock. If only they got in touch with you, you would be able to deliver a public health plan. Maybe send them an email? Your genius is clearly being wasted on here.

Ah, the try hard witty retort. Common when a poster can't respond in a meaningful way.

Insulting hairdressers in the process.

Funnily enough, a hairdresser from Cork would be as qualified as our CMO to deal with a pandemic.

Dred. · 19-02-2021 11:59PM

Isn't NPHET just working off the levels the government dreamed up?

Or is there a scientific underpinning to all this ?

Silentcorner · 20-02-2021 12:02AM

Dred. wrote: »

Isn't NPHET just working off the levels the government dreamed up?

Or is there a scientific underpinning to all this ?

NPHET have only one gear....lockdown level 5...that is the best they can come up with 12 months on...they might as well say another mass!

There is no science underpinning this, absolutely none, Governments are winging it.

bucketybuck · 20-02-2021 12:02AM

JimCore wrote: »

The numbers dont lie sherlock. A virus needs people interacting.

Oh I know actually youre right. Santa brought it down the chimney!!

Keep wearing the mask will ya!

You said people went nuts at christmas, and thats emotive nonsense designed to spread a narrative.

"Went nuts", as if it was the last days of sodom and gomorrah, as if the Irish public were let loose like a bunch of toddlers at break time. As if the pubs were actually open and as if the country in December wasn't still under a level of restriction unseen in our lifetimes.

The ****ing Irish public didn't go nuts, they just went home.

Aph2016 · 20-02-2021 12:04AM

markodaly wrote: »

Yea, sure in a global pandemic, let's not listen to the scientists or public health experts...

The experts who have been consistently wrong on pretty much everything since this whole farce began. Sure.

Silentcorner · 20-02-2021 12:09AM

Aph2016 wrote: »

The experts who have been consistently wrong on pretty much everything since this whole farce began. Sure.

Our experts predicted 120,000 deaths....with a straight face.

Other experts predicted mass graves and freezer trucks full of bodies, that is after the first surge when nothing of the sort happened!!!

Pardon me for being a skeptic but when they are that hysterical with predictions I'll ignore their "expertise".

aido79 · 20-02-2021 12:18AM

GT89 wrote: »

And if it has been around for so long why haven't there been lockdowns until now.

We are constantly been we cant talk about solutions to covid as we are not qualified but when someone who is qualified in this case Delores Cahill says something different to rest of them she's considered a nut job.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

The common cold is a coronavirus. I would have thought most people know that by now. Some coronavirae are more deadly than others so require lockdowns as agreed by the vast majority of medical professionals around the world.

Can you name one thing that Dolores Cahill has said in relation to covid19 that has been backed up by other medical professionals or proved to be correct?

When will it all end?

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