Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

gozunda · 19-02-2021 05:03PM

MOH wrote: »

Pressure from people demanding a break?
Micheal Martin was the one waving the "meaningful Christmas" carrot around within a week of the level 5 restrictions being (needlessly) imposed. He's the one who, unprompted, was promising people a break if they stuck to restrictions for 6 weeks. "The people" weren't the one crowing as we reopened about how we were the best in Europe.

We've a new highly infectious strain circulating because the government failed to take teh blindingly obvious step that many people were calling for for months of imposing some form of inbound travel restrictions. Not locking people up at gunpoint in hotels, even just mandatory quarantine at home with regular checks and hefty fines. And we still don't even have that.

For some bizarre reason, it seems to be easier to try to police what people do outside the country, and threaten people with jail for leaving.

Yeah just go back on boards for example and listen to the demands from some for their rights to meet up and get around the country at Christmas. Many of the same who are on e again calling for being allowed to meet up with friends, travel etc.

Yeah and MM allowed it's true the the new strain brought in over Christmas has completely fuked up infection rates to this point. And looks like with those eejits who are feking off abroad are quite happy to introduce another strain and sure fuk it ..

ypres5 · 19-02-2021 05:08PM

gozunda wrote: »

You must have missed this bit

And how do you think that strain got into houses other than people mixing and flying in and out?

Maybe it was Santa Clause who brought it?

and who was flying people in? the government were chartering flights from the uk before Christmas. how is that the public's fault? it is okay to criticize the government gozunda they won't shoot you for it

pm1977x · 19-02-2021 05:10PM

dalyboy wrote: »

The straw has broken the camels back in my family following the reptilian like tactic of a 10pm announcement of further 9 weeks on a tabloid toilet paper rag.

Following a conversation with my parents this morning I’m packing my kids into the car tomorrow and travelling a 10km distance to their house for a few nights.

It’s as simple as this . If I’m to continue isolating my kids , myself & O.H , & my parents we will be mentally end up unhinged by 9 weeks.

I was originally going to await my parents vaccinations (early 70’s) but that’ll take till about July at this point.
NO WAY HOSEY am I waiting any longer now

As mature and responsible adults we have tallied up the risk (Zero risk since nobody has left their respective houses since end of December, save for daily walks in parks and accepting supermarket food delivery at the front doors) and reward.

When I read that article last night I almost got sick with that smiling face and pompous pose on Martin staring out at me.
Something had to give , and it did.

I’ve a responsibility as a parent , a partner, an off spring and business owner to ensure that sense and balance is applied to operate my families lives in a liveable fashion so thank you Mr Martin for motivating me with your expose on the mirror paper. I feel so much better today for committing to changing things to the better our way NOT YOUR WAY

''The mature and responsible adult'' claim may be undercut somewhat by your previous claim that there is no pandemic.

timmyntc · 19-02-2021 05:12PM

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah just go back on boards for example and listen to the demands from some for their rights to meet up and get around the country at Christmas. Many of the same who are on e again calling for being allowed to meet up with friends, travel etc.

Yeah and MM allowed it's true the the new strain brought in over Christmas has completely fuked up infection rates to this point. And looks like with those eejits who are feking off abroad are quite happy to introduce another strain and sure fuk it ..

Ah yes, those infamous Boardsies strongarmed the Irish Government into opening up for Christmas, those bastards

19-02-2021 05:14PM

paw patrol wrote: »

How many do you know in this industry?

my mate's gf is a hairdresser and the PUP is 50% of her pay . then throw in tips she isn't getting.
Another kicker is my mate (her partner) is in construction and he down over 1k a week cos of the closures. You can imagine the pain of that household.
mortgage arrears stacking up and all that.
Both happy to take the any covid risk but their life decisions are decided for by an unelected technocracy,

where is their bailout? we all know the answer to that.:rolleyes:

I've a mate a barman of year experience PUP doesn't come close.

I suggest you mightn't know the real story or taking young people in their 20s as your sample size.

Your sample size is 2 seemingly?

PUP is €350 for folk with average weekly earnings of €400 or over ............ your mate's gf must have been a wonderful hairdresser if the PUP is 50% of her pay.

Unless she was partime of course.

Your other mate the barman must have been on a great wedge also if €350/week isn't a fair chunk of it.

robbiezero · 19-02-2021 05:16PM

dalyboy wrote: »

The straw has broken the camels back in my family following the reptilian like tactic of a 10pm announcement of further 9 weeks on a tabloid toilet paper rag.

Following a conversation with my parents this morning I’m packing my kids into the car tomorrow and travelling a 10km distance to their house for a few nights.

It’s as simple as this . If I’m to continue isolating my kids , myself & O.H , & my parents we will be mentally end up unhinged by 9 weeks.

I was originally going to await my parents vaccinations (early 70’s) but that’ll take till about July at this point.
NO WAY HOSEY am I waiting any longer now

As mature and responsible adults we have tallied up the risk (Zero risk since nobody has left their respective houses since end of December, save for daily walks in parks and accepting supermarket food delivery at the front doors) and reward.

When I read that article last night I almost got sick with that smiling face and pompous pose on Martin staring out at me.
Something had to give , and it did.

I’ve a responsibility as a parent , a partner, an off spring and business owner to ensure that sense and balance is applied to operate my families lives in a liveable fashion so thank you Mr Martin for motivating me with your expose on the mirror paper. I feel so much better today for committing to changing things to the better our way NOT YOUR WAY

Fair play. My wife is down the country at her parents at the moment.
Will visit mine in Tipp in two weeks, get it done before Cheltenham.

gozunda · 19-02-2021 05:17PM

ypres5 wrote: »

and who was flying people in? the government were chartering flights from the uk before Christmas. how is that the public's fault? it is okay to criticize the government gozunda they won't shoot you for it

Well I was responding to a poster insisting on their rights to do what they want and that there's been no breakl in a year yada yada .

So yeah we're talking about the 'public'. Have government variously fuked up? Sure they have - but that's a valid but different leg of the argument

gozunda · 19-02-2021 05:22PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Ah yes, those infamous Boardsies strongarmed the Irish Government into opening up for Christmas, those bastards

Haha see what you did there :pac:

Yeah as for a little flavour of the type of demands being made ' I said "go back on boards for example.

That MM and friends did allow the bs it is no less reprehensible tbf.

SnuggyBear · 19-02-2021 05:22PM

That's grand if it's a few weeks. Say you normally earn 500 your down 150. That's a fair chunk of money down over a year and you have the tax to pay back too.

19-02-2021 05:26PM

Augeo wrote: »

Your sample size is 2 seemingly?

PUP is €350 for folk with average weekly earnings of €400 or over ............ your mate's gf must have been a wonderful hairdresser if the PUP is 50% of her pay.

€12 an hour and €44 a day tips wouldn't be an unreasonable amount for a hairdresser with a bit of experience to earn. That would put PUP of €350 at 50% of their usual earnings.

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 05:27PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

That's grand if it's a few weeks. Say you normally earn 500 your down 150. That's a fair chunk of money down over a year and you have the tax to pay back too.

A huge chunk of the 25% of Irish people who have no job today have been thrown into the gutter by this Government...they are kidding themselves if they think the electorate will forget this any time soon.

Once the Covid hysteria recedes, and it will....the true political cost of this will be felt.

I said yesterday, FF/Fg/Greens have just put the house on the fact that there isn't a major seasonal element to this viral infection...it is an extraordinary, inhumane, unscientific based gamble the people won't forget in a hurry!!!

Parachutes · 19-02-2021 05:27PM

How long can this horror show go on? Life is not meant to be lived this way. There's a demarcation on life here that is not natural.

Penfailed · 19-02-2021 05:29PM

gozunda wrote: »

You can stop the spoofing for a start. From the very start you've made it quite clear you have no respect for any of the existing restrictions to date and reckon that Covid is a joke or wtte

You've variously claimed to be travelling regularly. That you've already booked flights to Spain and couldn’t care less about restrictions whilst repeatedly bringing the kids to the beach amongst other things

Whatever about the mature and responsible adult - I don't believe a word of it ..

Ouch. There l was, taking his post at face value.

growleaves · 19-02-2021 05:31PM

Augeo wrote: »

Your sample size is 2 seemingly?

Cop on would you.

He is speaking from experience. Are you going to ask him if his story is peer reviewed?

The science-worship waffle that comes from IT workers and low level bureaucrats is half the problem.

Most of these people haven't been near a laboratory since they did Junior Cert Biology but they think if they throw out enough tech-speak it appears authoritative.

timmyntc · 19-02-2021 05:33PM

gozunda wrote: »

Haha see what you did there :pac:

Yeah as for a little flavour of the type of demands being made ' I said "go back on boards for example.

That MM and friends did allow the bs it is no less reprehensible tbf.

Your OP claimed that the restrictions were only lifted at christmas because of pressure from the public who were demanding an end to restrictions.
Which is untrue.

And then you tried to justify it by saying "look at boards posts!"

And now you are backtracking because its just 'an example'.

timmyntc · 19-02-2021 05:37PM

Augeo wrote: »

Your sample size is 2 seemingly?

PUP is €350 for folk with average weekly earnings of €400 or over ............ your mate's gf must have been a wonderful hairdresser if the PUP is 50% of her pay.

Unless she was partime of course.

Your other mate the barman must have been on a great wedge also if €350/week isn't a fair chunk of it.

PUP is 350 a week, which is less than minimum wage for a 40hr work week fyi.

Granted some people work shifts and part time and work less than that, but a lot in service industry in particular would recoup a lot in tips.

Must be a middle class thing to be blissfully unaware of what is/isnt a livable wage week to week.

Loafing Oaf · 19-02-2021 05:43PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

A huge chunk of the 25% of Irish people who have no job today have been thrown into the gutter by this Government...they are kidding themselves if they think the electorate will forget this any time soon.

Once the Covid hysteria recedes, and it will....the true political cost of this will be felt.

Yes, the voters will be flocking to those anti-lockdown parties, such as, erm, yeah...

TomTomTim · 19-02-2021 05:43PM

growleaves wrote: »

Cop on would you.

He is speaking from experience. Are you going to ask him if his story is peer reviewed?

The science-worship waffle that comes from IT workers and low level bureaucrats is half the problem.

Most of these people haven't been near a laboratory since they did Junior Cert Biology but they think if they throw out enough tech-speak it appears authoritative.

The ILOVESCIENCE types would be a hell of a lot more tolerable if they understood anything about the science that they push. They read headlines, conclusions, and don't care one bit about methodology once it tells them what they want to hear.

Boggles · 19-02-2021 05:43PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

A huge chunk of the 25% of Irish people who have no job today have been thrown into the gutter by this Government...they are kidding themselves if they think the electorate will forget this any time soon.

SF majority so?

CruelSummer · 19-02-2021 05:48PM

Ulster Bank pulling out of Ireland should sound alarm bells across the Government and society. We need more banks and competition in Ireland, not less. SME's and others are going to struggle to reopen, and default on loans. Mortgages could also default when the money runs out. Ulster is cutting and running before things get very ugly for the economy. If we keep Lockdown as our only method of controlling Covid, this will just get worse and worse.
Currently listening to the Construction federation on RTE 1, practically begging to reopen and get NPHET's blessing. They should never have been closed.

SushiLover31 · 19-02-2021 05:54PM

Is anyone able to find any groups/places off boards to discuss the opinion that lockdown should be lifted at least a little bit? I can find anywhere reasonable that isn't completely over-run by antivaxxers.

Compo82 · 19-02-2021 05:55PM

It's crazy not allowing constructions to open, all construction is open all over Europe and don't see why Ireland has to be the exception. Ulster bank pulling out should set alarm bells ringing for the economy but they seem deaf to the issues coming down the road i.e housing crisis, unemployment, huge debts both public and private etc. They are really destroying the economy at this stage. Our only hope for restrictions lifting appears for the money to eventually run out.

CalamariFritti · 19-02-2021 05:58PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ulster Bank pulling out of Ireland should sound alarm bells across the Government and society. We need more banks and competition in Ireland, not less. SME's and others are going to struggle to reopen, and default on loans. Mortgages could also default when the money runs out. Ulster is cutting and running before things get very ugly for the economy. If we keep Lockdown as our only method of controlling Covid, this will just get worse and worse.
Currently listening to the Construction federation on RTE 1, practically begging to reopen and get NPHET's blessing. They should never have been closed.

To be fair Ulster Bank move was coming a long way and has nothing to do with covid.

SusieBlue · 19-02-2021 05:59PM

gozunda wrote: »

Has it? Then why do we have some eejits claiming no one has been able to see anyone in a year? Or that they need to be "rewarded". despite the "meaningful Christmas" :rolleyes:

But what you're saying we're fuked no matter what the Government does because "human nature must be accounted for" and some peoples right to party or meet up with friends or whatever ?

But yes all because of the pressure from people demanding a break for Christmas when rules around household mixing were eased, and limits on travel between counties were lifted - we're now shafted with rising numbers of people infected with Covid. And add to this a new more infectious strain of the virus, first detected in the UK, spreading here and the current case numbers now being difficult to get back down.

But fuk that we need another break. What could possibly go wrong again?

We don’t need another break. We need a more nuanced, balanced plan for living with this virus that considers everyone’s needs and well-being.

Each time we lock down we do it for harder and for longer than the last, and it’s absolutely absurd to expect people to adhere to such strict restrictions for 18 weeks+.
That’s over a quarter of the year, for goodness sake. When these lockdowns were first brought in it was widely accepted that they are only effective if done for short, brief snaps, to ensure compliance and that people don’t get fatigued.
Not including our ‘Christmas break’, we will have been in lockdown for 25 weeks come May 5th.
Dublin will have been in it almost 30 weeks.
How can you possibly not see that these extremely long lockdowns are what’s causing these massive surges when anything reopens?

Because it’s going to happen again.
When we reopen, whenever that is, cases will rise as people will make the most of the respite because they know we only get brief periods of somewhat normality before the government get out the sledgehammer again. Take away the supply and the demand just grows and grows, it doesn’t lessen or go away.
Then the government panics, shuts down the country again, rinse and repeat.

This is a completely unnatural and unsustainable way of living, particularly in the long term, and acting as if people are weak and selfish for not wanting to continue with this suicide mission is ridiculous.

ingo1984 · 19-02-2021 06:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So your solution is if you can't beat them join them?

The restrictions have brought the cases down from 8000 per day to the current level, but we are still having cases in the hundreds every day.

So sick of reading the constant whinging here about how long the restrictions have been going on for, when the very reason the level hasn't been lightened is because of rampant non-compliance. Look what happened after Christmas when they lifted restrictions for a couple of weeks.

Now more and more here are saying they're going to just give up and do whatever the **** they like. And they'll wonder in 3, 4, 5 weeks time, why the numbers are going up again, and the restrictions have to be continued.

Its very disheartening for anyone who is vulnerable to read this, especially when the vaccination programme has been started and there could be an end in sight.

But sure, "other people are not your concern". I honestly give up.

Schools reopening will drive the numbers back up, nphet will know it, but they'll scapegoat another group then. What are we back to blaming now? Funerals? Well go with funerals.

amandstu · 19-02-2021 06:02PM

Suppose my friend(s) live beyond my 5k limit** ,can we still meet up for a walk outside in an area that is (separately) within each other's 5k limit?

Seems to me that we can (provided we socially distance and use our own transport to get there..

Am I right?

** ie they live between 5k and 10k from me.

Captain_Crash · 19-02-2021 06:04PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ulster Bank pulling out of Ireland should sound alarm bells across the Government and society. We need more banks and competition in Ireland, not less. SME's and others are going to struggle to reopen, and default on loans. Mortgages could also default when the money runs out. Ulster is cutting and running before things get very ugly for the economy. If we keep Lockdown as our only method of controlling Covid, this will just get worse and worse.
Currently listening to the Construction federation on RTE 1, practically begging to reopen and get NPHET's blessing. They should never have been closed.

I’ve known about this for quite some time now and can assure you it’s not covid related! Maybe covid expedited it slightly but it was always happening.

gozunda · 19-02-2021 06:04PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Your OP claimed that the restrictions were only lifted at christmas because of pressure from the public who were demanding an end to restrictions.
Which is untrue.And then you tried to justify it by saying "look at boards posts!"And now you are backtracking because its just 'an example'.

Well you need to read that comment again because you've missed most of it. And incorrect. Did not use the word 'only'.And indeed I did use the words "for example" in the Comment you yourself quoted. Sorry If that doesn't suit

Forget the appropriating blame game. Yes we had eejits screaming for their rights to have their visits and travel over Christmas and yes as you said the government allowed that. We can take that as read.

But more importantly that fiasco ended up where we had the highest infection rates in the World just over a month ago and we now have daily case numbers which are see-sawing and not declining exponentially despite the level 5 restrictions.

But yet again we have the same moaning and groaning that some want the same roll back of restrictions despite the ****sfest at Christmas.

But yeah let's ignore that bit and argue that its all about that it was all Johnny's and not Mary's fault :rolleyes:

LineOfBeauty · 19-02-2021 06:05PM

ingo1984 wrote: »

Schools reopening will drive the numbers back up, nphet will know it, but they'll scapegoat another group then. What are we back to blaming now? Funerals? Well go with funerals.

I don't get what happens when the numbers inevitably go back up from the schools reopening? Say we start to see some effect from numbers dropping due to vaccinations, that'll surely be balanced out by cases caused by schools being open? So if we come to May and the average number of cases per day is still around the 700-800 mark do we continue with Level 5 lockdown?

SCOOP 64 · 19-02-2021 06:06PM

amandstu wrote: »

Suppose my friend(s) live beyond my 5k limit** ,can we still meet up for a walk outside in an area that is (separately) within each other's 5k limit?

Seems to me that we can (provided we socially distance and use our own transport to get there..

Am I right?

** ie they live between 5k and 10k from me.

Yes i would say as neither of you driven be on the 5k.

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