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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7502
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    wadacrack wrote: »
    at this rate any with compliance likely to decline each week, we need seasonality to play a role

    Very little to suggest seasonality has an impact on this virus. Hopefully vaccination can pick up the slack and provide the necessary boost.


  • #7503
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Does anyone disagree with Ryan here?

    https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1362354372299096065?s=20

    Ya, I disagree. More deaths in the richer countries, it's had a larger effect here and our taxes would be paying for the vaccines for poorer countries so they can wait.

    If people want to virtue signal on vaccines, they can opt out


  • #7504
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    peasant wrote: »
    last week: British variant B.1.1.7 at 70% of cases
    this week: B.1.1.7at 90%

    Variant B.1.1.7 potentially 56% more infective and 65% more deadly than the the initial form of the virus.

    Make another mistake of opening too much / too soon like at Christmas (where B.1.1.7. was estimated to be at < 20%) and we could be in big trouble.

    The penny still hasn't dropped for many that the relative increased infectiousness of the B.1.1.7. makes the prospect of opening up far riskier than what we were dealing with prior to January.


  • #7505
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    I'm not sure we can really do anything regarding restrictions with this new variant until a large proportion are vaccinated.


  • #7506
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    wadacrack wrote: »
    I'm not sure we can really do anything regarding restrictions with this new variant until a large proportion are vaccinated.

    We've three options as I see it

    1. Continue as we are (or very close to it) until vaccines start making a huge dent in the numbers

    2. Toughen restrictions somehow

    3. Slowly open up anyways. Risk another hospital crisis.

    It looks like no.2 isn't being countenanced.

    I reckon we'll try for 1 but end up with 3


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  • #7507
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    titan18 wrote: »
    Ya, I disagree. More deaths in the richer countries, it's had a larger effect here and our taxes would be paying for the vaccines for poorer countries so they can wait.

    If people want to virtue signal on vaccines, they can opt out

    When gene Kerrigan is promoting this then I’m out.


  • #7508
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Very little to suggest seasonality has an impact on this virus. Hopefully vaccination can pick up the slack and provide the necessary boost.

    What?

    Loads suggests seasonality has an effect


  • #7509
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    We've three options as I see it

    1. Continue as we are (or very close to it) until vaccines start making a huge dent in the numbers

    2. Toughen restrictions somehow

    3. Slowly open up anyways. Risk another hospital crisis.

    It looks like no.2 isn't being countenanced.

    I reckon we'll try for 1 but end up with 3
    Two will not work now, as it depends on continued compliance which just cannot be taken for granted. 1&3 would be more likely options.


  • #7510
    bazermc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    Very late for briefing to be on.


  • #7511
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    bazermc wrote: »
    Very late for briefing to be on.

    It's the preshow before Percy. :D


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  • #7512
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Hold on a sec. I didnt mean from/with in a covid-denier kind of way.

    I do understand with covid. When you have someone very old and/or with co-morbidities there probably is no clear cut death cause. So they decided to overreport rather than underreport. No issue with that.

    But within all that how do you keep it all apart and make any kind of interpolations from the death numbers? I know mentioning from/with is frowned upon but it is a very real thing all the same and it has an influence on your numbers and statistics. Again then there is the disappearance of the flu.

    So many factors at play...

    Apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick.

    We must be thankful that the Covid measures had such an impact on flu. Imagine a normal winter flu season with the levels of hospitalisations on top of what we already have, along with people catching flu after Covid and Covid after flu or even both simultaneously


  • #7513
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/950823/Variant_of_Concern_VOC_202012_01_Technical_Briefing_3_-_England.pdf
    I think it's page 15/16 which does the comparison.

    Thanks for this Wolf.

    So the just of it is they compared close contacts of VOC202012/01 (British Variant) with close contacts of everything else. And they found that close contacts of VOC became positives at a rate of 15% vs 11% with the others. Do I have that right?


  • #7514
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    retro:electro wrote: »
    You shouldn’t even have to defend yourself sweetmaggie. It’s actually shocking that you feel you have to and I think most reasonable people will agree. I actually feel like screenshotting your post just to show people in a few years time the lengths people had to go to in order to defend such natural behaviours. The post your quoting and the lengths you’ve gone to defend yourself will serve as evidence of how people completely lost their minds when it came to this.
    I'd agree the accusation was unreasonable, but I don't see why you're trying to blame covid for it - posters have been unreasonable long before it was around.


  • #7515
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Does this person ever stop with with the hospital acquired numbers? It's the same answers over and over and the same question over and over. Surely the time could be spent on much better questions. :confused:


  • #7516
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Does this person ever stop with with the hospital acquired numbers? It's the same answers over and over and the same question over and over. Surely the time could be spent on much better questions. :confused:

    Same questions each time.

    Ronan Glynn doing his best here.


  • #7517
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,318 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Does this person ever stop with with the hospital acquired numbers? It's the same answers over and over and the same question over and over. Surely the time could be spent on much better questions. :confused:

    How are they not barred from entry for time wasting?


  • #7518
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Give me a break lady.


  • #7519
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Arghus wrote: »
    Same questions each time.

    Ronan Glynn doing his best here.

    He is so much better than Tony at handling this sort of this thing.


  • #7520
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Level 5 till September at this rate.


  • #7521
    Diabhalta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    So again no covid checkpoints today. Not even a squad car in sight in Cork. I guess it's level 3 now.

    Nice to be able to travel without being harassed.

    giphy.gif


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  • #7522
    Diabhalta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    alentejo wrote: »
    Level 5 till September at this rate.

    it's currently level 3, you are allowed to travel anywhere, and visit anyone. No questions asked on the way.


  • #7523
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Turtwig wrote: »
    He is so much better than Tony at handling this sort of this thing.

    I would agree that Ronan is better in situations like this.

    He's very close to losing his patience here - she's butting in trying to get his temper up.


  • #7524
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,542 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Thanks for this Wolf.

    So the just of it is they compared close contacts of VOC202012/01 (British Variant) with close contacts of everything else. And they found that close contacts of VOC became positives at a rate of 15% vs 11% with the others. Do I have that right?

    Someone else did post it weeks ago here and that was the jist of it.


  • #7525
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,845 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    peasant wrote: »
    last week: British variant B.1.1.7 at 70% of cases
    this week: B.1.1.7at 90%

    Variant B.1.1.7 potentially 56% more infective and 65% more deadly than the the initial form of the virus.

    Make another mistake of opening too much / too soon like at Christmas (where B.1.1.7. was estimated to be at < 20%) and we could be in big trouble.

    Loads of mixing and people letting their guards down over the Christmas and New year period was the main reason for the 3rd wave surge. What happened then will have decision makers more cautious than ever. It will be a phase reopening now compared to December. March was probably earmarked for that but I think it will be April before that happens now especially as they will want as many of vulnerable people as possible vaccinated by then.


  • #7526
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    GP data from 9 Feb-17 does appear quite flat .

    https://twitter.com/gpbuddy/status/1362506481464193028


  • #7527
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Diabhalta wrote: »
    So again no covid checkpoints today. Not even a squad car in sight in Cork. I guess it's level 3 now.

    Nice to be able to travel without being harassed.

    giphy.gif
    Diabhalta wrote: »
    it's currently level 3, you are allowed to travel anywhere, and visit anyone. No questions asked on the way.

    It might be in your alternative dimension of reality but in the one that most of us live in it`s Level 5.


  • #7528
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭Russman


    Arghus wrote: »
    I would agree that Ronan is better in situations like this.

    He's very close to losing his patience here - she's butting in trying to get his temper up.

    I thought he handled her as well as could be done. To me, he seemed to cover a lot of the questions/rumours/ideas that crop up here and in other places regularly, esp re antigen, Vit D etc etc.
    That’s said, I’m sure she’ll be back next week with more of the same.


  • #7529
    gw80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭gw80


    Diabhalta wrote: »
    So again no covid checkpoints today. Not even a squad car in sight in Cork. I guess it's level 3 now.

    Nice to be able to travel without being harassed.

    giphy.gif

    One on the bandon road roundabout and another just as yo come out of cork on the n25 every day.


  • #7530
    Diabhalta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    gw80 wrote: »
    One on the bandon road roundabout and another just as yo come out of cork on the n25 every day.

    every day? There was absolutely none for good few days in a row during that stormy weather last week. And with more storms coming there will be none again for a good few days.

    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    It might be in your alternative dimension of reality but in the one that most of us live in it`s Level 5.

    You live in a level they want you to live. I don't live in any of their levels. To me all I see is closed shops, other than that not much changed in my life.


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  • #7531
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Diabhalta wrote: »
    every day? There was absolutely none for good few days in a row during that stormy weather last week. And with more storms coming there will be none again for a good few days.

    You live in a level they want you to live. I don't live in any of their levels. To me all I see is closed shops, other than that not much changed in my life.

    Enjoy your stormy little drive


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