Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

Stateofyou · 18-02-2021 01:32PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

For this to have a meaningful effect this year, you'd need to move them ahead of the elderly. Do you think that would go down well?

How about at the same time as, not ahead of.

Lillyfae · 18-02-2021 01:39PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

That bit in bold is actually a shocking read. It smacks of toxic family dynamics. In our home we treat each other with the same respect we would treat anyone else. The home should be the first model, not 'what not to do' vs 'what to do' in & outside the home. My kids aren't allowed to abuse each other, or anyone else. We talk about self respect and self love too. People should be nurturing and reinforcing a loving and supportive family home home environment, full stop.

Come on, lots of 70s/80s households with 5+ children under 10 were like this :rolleyes:.

km79 · 18-02-2021 01:39PM

http://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362375544558542850

Hhhmmmm

mcsean2163 · 18-02-2021 01:42PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

That bit in bold is actually a shocking read. It smacks of toxic family dynamics. In our home we treat each other with the same respect we would treat anyone else. The home should be the first model, not 'what not to do' vs 'what to do' in & outside the home. My kids aren't allowed to abuse each other, or anyone else. We talk about self respect and self love too. People should be nurturing and reinforcing a loving and supportive family home home environment, full stop.

And you, with your self love, you can bleedin wash those sheets yourself!

No seriously, would be interesting to know your circumstances, how many children, ages, etc. Maybe you could do a YouTube series for those of us whose children sometimes don't share and argue over toys etc.

khalessi · 18-02-2021 01:44PM

:cool:;) Interesting HSE has changed how it counts Covid cases just in time for school reopening

https://twitter.com/GregHughes2/status/1362355728137285634

Stateofyou · 18-02-2021 01:45PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Come on, lots of 70s/80s households with 5+ children under 10 were like this :rolleyes:.

Yeah, including my own. My siblings and I have strange/unsupportive/at times unhealthy relationships with each other to this day. To not have learned better and to still spout that as some kind of standard or normal today in 2021 is something else altogether. It's not about being perfect, and never having fights in the family. But expecting your kids to learn how they treat others from social interactions outside the home instead of within their own family is just a perpetuation unhealthy behaviour. I learned from my experience, as many others have too I'm sure. :rolleyes:

Stateofyou · 18-02-2021 01:49PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

And you, with your self love, you can bleedin wash those sheets yourself!

No seriously, would be interesting to know your circumstances, how many children, ages, etc. Maybe you could do a YouTube series for those of us whose children sometimes don't share and argue over toys etc.

Why don't you put in the work yourself to be a better model for your family. No one else can do that for you. Plenty of help, webinars, books, therapy etc available if you care enough. But I doubt you do, you just wanted to take an opportunity to be snarky and nasty.

18-02-2021 01:58PM

khalessi wrote: »

:cool:;) Interesting HSE has changed how it counts Covid cases just in time for school reopening

https://twitter.com/GregHughes2/status/1362355728137285634

Covid cases in hospitals

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Lillyfae · 18-02-2021 01:58PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Yeah, including my own. My siblings and I have strange/unsupportive/at times unhealthy relationships with each other to this day. To not have learned better and to still spout that as some kind of standard or normal today in 2021 is something else altogether. It's not about being perfect, and never having fights in the family. But expecting your kids to learn how they treat others from social interactions outside the home instead of within their own family is just a perpetuation unhealthy behaviour. I learned from my experience, as many others have too I'm sure. :rolleyes:

No-one said that those kind of situations are appropriate now, they're pointing out that the structure of a family has changed and that outside interactions are necessary these days. What about an only child? How are they supposed to be learning how to have healthy interactions with their peers right now? Zoom? Seesaw? Theory from their parents?

mcsean2163 · 18-02-2021 02:01PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Yeah, including my own. My siblings and I have strange/unsupportive/at times unhealthy relationships with each other to this day. To not have learned better and to still spout that as some kind of standard or normal today in 2021 is something else altogether. It's not about being perfect, and never having fights in the family. But expecting your kids to learn how they treat others from social interactions outside the home instead of within their own family is just a perpetuation unhealthy behaviour. I learned from my experience, as many others have too I'm sure. :rolleyes:

Unless you are a parent with 5+ children. I think my parents generation did alright by us and the generation of 60 - 80s is literally the generation that put Ireland on the map through hard work in factories, finance, building, etc. I hope the self loving generation fare as well.

In our house fighting, bullying etc. is all discouraged and sharing, helping others etc. Is encouraged but being locked in doesn't help. Kids are kids and need to be kept busy and being with friends/ outside helps.

I remember one child whose mother smothered him with attention growing up. The poor guy was ridiculed wherever he went, I hope he's doing ok but I think kids need a certain amount of freedom to make and learn from their own mistakes. I love our kids and we're doing our best but have yet to meet the perfect family. Perhaps they exist or perhaps they are repressing their human existence.

TheValeyard · 18-02-2021 02:04PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Unless you are a parent with 5+ children. I think my parents generation did alright by us and the generation of 60 - 80s is literally the generation that put Ireland on the map through hard work in factories, finance, building, etc. I hope the self loving generation fare as well.

In our house fighting, bullying etc. is all discouraged and sharing, helping others etc. Is encouraged but being locked in doesn't help. Kids are kids and need to be kept busy and being with friends/ outside helps.

I remember one child whose mother smothered him with attention growing up. The poor guy was ridiculed wherever he went, I hope he's doing ok but I think kids need a certain amount of freedom to make and learn from their own mistakes. I love our kids and we're doing our best but have yet to meet the perfect family. Perhaps they exist or perhaps they are repressing their human existence.

We learn by our mistakes. Our parents did great by us in very difficult and challenging circumstances.

Stateofyou · 18-02-2021 02:05PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

No-one said that those kind of situations are appropriate now, they're pointing out that the structure of a family has changed and that outside interactions are necessary these days. What about an only child? How are they supposed to be learning how to have healthy interactions with their peers right now? Zoom? Seesaw? Theory from their parents?

Here's what was actually said:
"...remember well tearing the hair off my brothers and sisters in fights as a way of resolving issues, but you don't do that with strangers or friends..... you learn other ways of communicating and resolving things. Its not happening now which she thinks will result in social issues around relationships and interacting with other people in the future."

While it wasn't said those situations are appropriate now, it basically stated it was appropriate, by saying the above. That you act differently with strangers and friends is the model they learned and how they believe not interacting now outside the home will result in social issues in the future.

What about an only child? They learn from their parents or minders behaviour with each other. They learn from interacting politely and properly on the phone. They learn from tv, films and books too I would imagine- they shape children today as I was influenced by them too (and I would argue, still). But they haven't been home very long, and it's looking like they'll be back soon. I don't think we need to despair quite yet.

Stateofyou · 18-02-2021 02:08PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Unless you are a parent with 5+ children. I think my parents generation did alright by us and the generation of 60 - 80s is literally the generation that put Ireland on the map through hard work in factories, finance, building, etc. I hope the self loving generation fare as well.

In our house fighting, bullying etc. is all discouraged and sharing, helping others etc. Is encouraged but being locked in doesn't help. Kids are kids and need to be kept busy and being with friends/ outside helps.

I remember one child whose mother smothered him with attention growing up. The poor guy was ridiculed wherever he went, I hope he's doing ok but I think kids need a certain amount of freedom to make and learn from their own mistakes. I love our kids and we're doing our best but have yet to meet the perfect family. Perhaps they exist or perhaps they are repressing their human existence.

Unless what? And are you a child psychologist? We're all rearing our kids as we see fit, what's the point of any of this here.
This conversation has gone off the deep end. Especially considering this is a school thread and kids have only been off 8 weeks, holidays included in that.

markodaly · 18-02-2021 02:09PM

amacca wrote: »

can you really not see the govt didnt/dont want to reopen schools....they done as much as they could to orchestrate a situation where they could transfer blame to unions/teachers etc

So, its the government who don't want schools to open..... right! :rolleyes:

Deeec · 18-02-2021 02:10PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Here's what was actually said:
"...remember well tearing the hair off my brothers and sisters in fights as a way of resolving issues, but you don't do that with strangers or friends..... you learn other ways of communicating and resolving things. Its not happening now which she thinks will result in social issues around relationships and interacting with other people in the future."

While it was said those situations are appropriate now, it was basically stated it was appropriate, by saying the above. That you act differently with strangers and friends is the model they learned and how they believe not interacting now outside the home will result in social issues in the future.

What about an only child? They learn from their parents or minders behaviour with each other. They learn from interacting politely and properly on the phone. They learn from tv, films and books too I would imagine- they shape children today as I was influenced by them too (and I would argue, still). But they haven't been home very long, and it's looking like they'll be back soon. I don't think we need to despair quite yet.

Stateofyou I think you are over analysing this. I dont think the poster meant us to take this literally. I knew exactly what she meant - siblings behave differently in their relationships with each other than their relationships with friends.

markodaly · 18-02-2021 02:11PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

I don't think unions should care what the public think
They represent their members and are supposed to listen to members input and look after members interests
In this case, the health and safety of members

Ive already addressed this 'zero-sum' game that the Unions partake in.
With attitudes like that, is it any wonder the Teacher Unions are some of the most despised in the whole country?

Lillyfae · 18-02-2021 02:12PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

While it was said those situations are appropriate now, it was basically stated it was appropriate, by saying the above. That you act differently with strangers and friends is the model they learned and how they believe not interacting now outside the home will result in social issues in the future.

I really think you're labouring a point here. Of course interactions within families are different to those outside. Fighting with brothers and sisters was extremely normal, previous generations of children were left to their own devices a lot more. That's not to say that it didn't happen out on the road, a more "precious" parent would be knocking on a door saying "your small one did something to my small one and it has to be your small ones fault because my small one would never do that". They were few and far between and for that reason other parents used to comment on them. Thankfully parents communicate a lot better with each other now imo.

Stateofyou wrote: »

What about an only child? They learn from their parents or minders behaviour with each other. They learn from interacting politely and properly on the phone. They learn from tv, films and books too I would imagine- they shape children today as I was influenced by them too (and I would argue, still).

Seriously, you think children don't need their peers at all?

Stateofyou wrote: »

But they haven't been home very long, and it's looking like they'll be back soon. I don't think we need to despair quite yet.

A child who is 4 today has now been in lockdown for almost a quarter of their lives. That, by any measure, is pretty long.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 18-02-2021 02:12PM

markodaly wrote: »

So, its the government who don't want schools to open..... right! :rolleyes:

Phased and cautious reopening as per public health advice. 6th years, hopefully, to return on March 1 with another group to follow after 2 wks of monitoring.

Much as it'll kill you marko, teachers haven't decided this approach.

Stateofyou · 18-02-2021 02:13PM

Deeec wrote: »

Stateofyou I think you are over analysing this. I dont think the poster meant us to take this literally. I knew exactly what she meant - siblings behave differently in their relationships with each other than their relationships with friends.

I'm entitled to my opinion, Deeeec.

And if your understanding is that, then we're on the exact same page, actually. That said, I'm over this whole conversation on this thread specifically.

downthemiddle · 18-02-2021 02:14PM

This thread is going well today. People are clearly enjoying the midterm.

downthemiddle · 18-02-2021 02:16PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

I really think you're labouring a point here. Of course interactions within families are different to those outside. Fighting with brothers and sisters was extremely normal, previous generations of children were left to their own devices a lot more. That's not to say that it didn't happen out on the road, a more "precious" parent would be knocking on a door saying "your small one did something to my small one and it has to be your small ones fault because my small one would never do that". They were few and far between and for that reason other parents used to comment on them. Thankfully parents communicate a lot better with each other now imo.

Seriously, you think children don't need their peers at all?

A child who is 4 today has now been in lockdown for almost a quarter of their lives. That, by any measure, is pretty long.

A child who is 4 today is not impacted by school closures.

Stateofyou · 18-02-2021 02:16PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

I really think you're labouring a point here. Of course interactions within families are different to those outside. Fighting with brothers and sisters was extremely normal, previous generations of children were left to their own devices a lot more. That's not to say that it didn't happen out on the road, a more "precious" parent would be knocking on a door saying "your small one did something to my small one and it has to be your small ones fault because my small one would never do that". They were few and far between and for that reason other parents used to comment on them. Thankfully parents communicate a lot better with each other now imo.

Seriously, you think children don't need their peers at all? Obviously. :rolleyes:

We're not debating parenting styles here, and childhood rearing and I'm pretty sure none of us are child experts or psychologists. I'm not engaging further.

Lillyfae · 18-02-2021 02:17PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

We're not debating parenting styles here, and childhood rearing and I'm pretty sure none of us are child experts or psychologists. I'm not engaging further.

Sorry if calling out your hyperbolic criticism of another poster is touching a nerve.

Lillyfae · 18-02-2021 02:18PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

A child who is 4 today is not impacted by school closures.

I thought teachers would be able to understand using an example to support a point?

Stateofyou · 18-02-2021 02:21PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Stateofyou wrote: »

Sorry if calling out your hyperbolic criticism of another poster is touching a nerve.

Sorry that you're on here every day and your usual contributions to this thread are aggressive posts that derail and bully instead of adding anything of value. Some of the worst posts on this thread that have gotten posters carded or banned, you have reguarly liked. You won't outright teacher bash so as to not be banned, but you'll agree with them. You don't like it that I have called it out before, that is the only nerve touched here. I won't be seeing your posts from here on out.

Lillyfae · 18-02-2021 02:26PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Sorry that you're on here every day and your usual contributions to this thread are aggressive posts that derail and bully instead of adding anything of value. You won't outright teacher bash so as to not be banned, but you'll agree with them. You don't like it that I have called it out before, that is the only nerve touched here.

I've never been aggressive or bullied anyone. If I disagree I make that known. It is a discussion board so that's allowed. You compared a situation of now to a situation of 30/40 years ago. There's no comparison, it was just outrage for the sake of outrage. That is aggressive.

Stateofyou wrote: »

Some of the worst posts on this thread that have gotten posters carded or banned, you have reguarly liked.

I'm pretty sure that both of us have done that.

daydorunrun · 18-02-2021 02:29PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

I'm entitled to my opinion, Deeeec.

And if your understanding is that, then we're on the exact same page, actually. That said, I'm over this whole conversation on this thread specifically.

For someone with perfectly behaved kids you are posting like a child in this particular instance.
Pass judgment on others and then say you’re over the whole conversation when challenged.

Stateofyou · 18-02-2021 02:30PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

For someone with perfectly behaved kids you are posting like a child in this particular instance.
Pass judgment on others and then say you’re over the whole conversation when challenged.

No, when it's not appropriate. Reporting your comment.

No one has perfectly behaved children, certainly not I nor did I ever claim to. But I'm the one posting like a child? Alrighty then.

pc7 · 18-02-2021 02:32PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

A child who is 4 today is not impacted by school closures.

They are out of their ECCE group as its closed, so missing out on time with friends, learning and play

daydorunrun · 18-02-2021 02:34PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

No, when it's not appropriate. Reporting your comment.

No one has perfectly behaved children, certainly not I nor did I ever claim to. But I'm the one posting like a child? Alrighty then.

Case closed/

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01