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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

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  • #6932
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    All this drip feeding is really starting to get on my nerves now. Just make a decision and announce it and stop with the speculation and media leaks.


  • #6933
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,440 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    All this drip feeding is really starting to get on my nerves now. Just make a decision and announce it and stop with the speculation and media leaks.

    100%


  • #6934
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    NF is on Radio one now and talking about about LC and the junior classes.

    What did she say ?


  • #6935
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    What did she say ?

    Very little. It was mostly about the LC but she said that maybe LC and junior classes would be back in the 1st...thats about it.


  • #6936
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    Very little. It was mostly about the LC but she said that maybe LC and junior classes would be back in the 1st...thats about it.

    Thanks. "maybe". I wish that they wouldn't mention actual Dates until they have something concrete to announce.


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  • #6937
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,440 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    Very little. It was mostly about the LC but she said that maybe LC and junior classes would be back in the 1st...thats about it.

    So not 5th years now
    Christ I wish they would all just shut up until they know for sure


  • #6938
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dr Niamh Lynch, Consultant Paediatrician just on Newstalk now. It was sobering. She is seriously concerned about the mental health of children she is seeing now. Silence, sadness, depression...........


    Yesterday I was in a petrol station paying for diesel. There was a mother with her baby in a pram and her son who was about 6 years old. He was glued to her , holding the pram and said twice in the shop "can we get Coronavirus here"?? He was pale and quiet. If this is a representation of what's happening its very very worrying.

    In her professional capacity she is seeing children who are presenting with various issues, a tiny fraction of all children.

    You apparently saw one child who was so awfully frightened and wan. Did you also see dozens of kids just doing kid things, going about as if nothing was wrong with the world?

    The drama and hysterics from some quarters is weird.


  • #6939
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    km79 wrote: »
    So not 5th years now
    Christ I wish they would all just shut up until they know for sure

    There's an article just now in the mirror which mentions junior and senior infants and 1st class being back?! But they could hardly do that. I work in a small school and teach 1st and 2nd so I'd have to be in school for 1st class and still do online for the others?! That won't work at all. There would be lots of schools with that mix.


  • #6940
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Now that they've effectively done pg or exams why rush the lc back to class at all, jc is cancelled so no rush with any other year group in post primary. The only important kids to get back from a developmental point of view is ji, si and first class.


  • #6941
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,440 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    There's an article just now in the mirror which mentions junior and senior infants and 1st class being back?! But they could hardly do that. I work in a small school and teach 1st and 2nd so I'd have to be in school for 1st class and still do online for the others?! That won't work at all. There would be lots of schools with that mix.

    mm has mentioned 2nd class this morning


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  • #6942
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    km79 wrote: »
    mm has mentioned 2nd class this morning

    I seen that. But my point is all media are pushing different classes. As are the politicians


  • #6943
    P2C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭P2C


    Kite flying to gauge public opinion on social media before they make a decision
    km79 wrote: »
    100%


  • #6944
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    In her professional capacity she is seeing children who are presenting with various issues, a tiny fraction of all children.

    You apparently saw one child who was so awfully frightened and wan. Did you also see dozens of kids just doing kid things, going about as if nothing was wrong with the world?

    The drama and hysterics from some quarters is weird    .

    having an opinion and expressing it is not "drama and hysterics".
    We are all entitled to our opinion without being ridiculed. There needs to be appreciation of viewpoints OUTSIDE of our own................broader picture and all that.


  • #6945
    mullinr2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭mullinr2


    This whole only junior and senior classes, returning on 1st March and other classes two weeks after, is plain ridiculous. Why not a week after? I know that my first class son is regressing more and more each week. He is regressing in his behaviour, his attitude towards school work and his willingness to do his extra curricular activities (hurling and martial arts). Its all just getting too much.


  • #6946
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mullinr2 wrote: »
    This whole only junior and senior classes, returning on 1st March and other classes two weeks after, is plain ridiculous. Why not a week after? I know that my first class son is regressing more and more each week. He is regressing in his behaviour, his attitude towards school work and his willingness to do his extra curricular activities (hurling and martial arts). Its all just getting too much.
    We always need to wait two weeks to see the effect of measures!


  • #6947
    JP100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Now that they've effectively done pg or exams why rush the lc back to class at all, jc is cancelled so no rush with any other year group in post primary. The only important kids to get back from a developmental point of view is ji, si and first class.

    If you brought back 1st class, you would have to bring back 2nd class to take account of the significant amount of schools with multigrade classes.


  • #6948
    zeebre12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭zeebre12


    They can't really bring children with SEN in mainstream back early can they? There would be mixing of pods/groups/classes again after 2/3 weeks when actual classes come back?


  • #6949
    Random sample
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Random sample


    I think all primary should be back together. They aren’t mixing outside their classroom, and since most families have more than one child it won’t make much of a difference to the numbers mobilising. It may actually lead to play dates with older kids while the little ones are at school, meeting in the car park with older kids in the car... sure why not?


  • #6950
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,440 ✭✭✭✭km79


    "An official announcement on school reopenings is to be made next week."

    NEXT WEEK????
    So a few days notice for everyone concerned. Simply not good enough


  • #6951
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Random sample wrote: »
    I think all primary should be back together. They aren’t mixing outside their classroom, and since most families have more than one child it won’t make much of a difference to the numbers mobilising. It may actually lead to play dates with older kids while the little ones are at school, meeting in the car park with older kids in the car... sure why not?

    I agree, kids are already back starting to mix. Can't say I blame them, they've had enough seclusion to last them a lifetime.

    I think the phased return is purely for optics.


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  • #6952
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    markodaly wrote: »
    Honestly though, why is it that there is always a difficulty with teacher Unions. This is not just this pandemic, the government having annual fights with the teaching Unions, in particular, the ASTI has been a long-running theme. After a while, people get tired of it and get accustomed to the narrative that teachers are just difficult to negotiate and work with.

    The government have their run-ins with other Unions, for sure, but they are often kept on a lid and only blow up once in a while. The ASTI in particular, well they only really have themselves to blame. They have zero public capital or goodwill because they spent it all in the past. Yet, here we are again, tying to get schools open.... again, and the Unions are up in arms about this or that....

    I don't think unions should care what the public think
    They represent their members and are supposed to listen to members input and look after members interests
    In this case, the health and safety of members


  • #6953
    wirelessdude01
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    OmegaGene wrote: »
    yes we need dates asap to plan ahead, my son heard the news and hes nervous about meeting his friends again, all his class have regressed socially but they seem to have thrived educationally

    What age is he?


  • #6954
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dr Niamh Lynch, Consultant Paediatrician just on Newstalk now. It was sobering. She is seriously concerned about the mental health of children she is seeing now. Silence, sadness, depression...........all from lack of interaction with their peer group. They are getting nothing out of Zoom classes now.

    The World Health Organisation and the European Centre for Disease Control have also said children NEED to be in school and they are at such low risk. What we are doing to our children will cause far greater issues down the line than Covid.


    Yesterday I was in a petrol station paying for diesel. There was a mother with her baby in a pram and her son who was about 6 years old. He was glued to her , holding the pram and said twice in the shop "can we get Coronavirus here"?? He was pale and quiet. If this is a representation of what's happening its very very worrying.

    Good post. Students and children are the last thing from the Unions mind right now, but they need to just get on with it. Pretty much every other group and sector has, in difficult circumstances.

    To be honest, the behaviour and entitlement of some teachers in the ASTI is criminal. If I was Norma, id just reopen schools and if they didn't show, id sack the ones that didn't go to work. Most of the public would back her id say.


  • #6955
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    yes we need dates asap to plan ahead, my son heard the news and hes nervous about meeting his friends again, all his class have regressed socially but they seem to have thrived educationally

    If he's between juniors and 2nd I'd say he'll more than likely be back the 1st....


  • #6956
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    markodaly wrote: »
    Good post. Students and children are the last thing from the Unions mind right now, but they need to just get on with it. Pretty much every other group and sector has, in difficult circumstances.

    To be honest, the behaviour and entitlement of some teachers in the ASTI is criminal. If I was Norma, id just reopen schools and if they didn't show, id sack the ones that didn't go to work. Most of the public would back her id say.

    Yeah, the government and DES do need to get on with it. 11 months post covid in this country, and our leaders are STILL battling out what to do in reaction to what has happened. No foresight, no planning, no outside the box thinking, no action.

    Move the teachers up the vaccination list. Implement better safety measures (testing, tracing, redefining close contacts, masks in primary, an equitable remote hybrid remote learning system, and ventilation guidelines, etc).

    It is VERY important our children get back to school. However the entitlement of Norma Foley and her DES department in drawing their wages while effectively doing SWEET F ALL for our children should bring criminal charges. If it were me, I would sack Norma Foley for not working in her role on behalf of our children and immediately install someone with some communication/collaboration skills, intelligence, and tenacity.
    I would bet most people could row behind this statement.


  • #6957
    Choochtown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    markodaly wrote: »
    Good post. Students and children are the last thing from the Unions mind right now, but they need to just get on with it. Pretty much every other group and sector has, in difficult circumstances.

    To be honest, the behaviour and entitlement of some teachers in the ASTI is criminal. If I was Norma, id just reopen schools and if they didn't show, id sack the ones that didn't go to work. Most of the public would back her id say.


    A very very strong accusation Mark. Have you any concrete examples?


  • #6958
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,265 ✭✭✭amacca


    markodaly wrote: »
    Good post. Students and children are the last thing from the Unions mind right now, but they need to just get on with it. Pretty much every other group and sector has, in difficult circumstances.

    To be honest, the behaviour and entitlement of some teachers in the ASTI is criminal. If I was Norma, id just reopen schools and if they didn't show, id sack the ones that didn't go to work. Most of the public would back her id say.

    can you really not see the govt didnt/dont want to reopen schools....they done as much as they could to orchestrate a situation where they could transfer blame to unions/teachers etc


  • #6959
    mcsean2163
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes Deec I agree, if they have siblings it makes it easier for sure. Dr Niamh Byrne was also saying that kids need interaction with other kids outside of their family unit and this is hugely important in teaching them how to deal with different relationships and situations. They are not picking up these vital skills which would happen as a matter of course in normal times.

    I come from a big family and remember well tearing the hair off my brothers and sisters in fights :rolleyes: as a way of resolving issues, but you don't do that with strangers or friends..... you learn other ways of communicating and resolving things. Its not happening now which she thinks will result in social issues around relationships and interacting with other people in the future. (I seriously hope it won't, but there is bound to be a backlash from all of this at such an important developmental stage in life)

    This. Our middle gets a hard time from the eldest and now speaks by shouting or talking like Ronnie Drew. We met his friend last week and he made her cry whereas before all this, the ecce ladies were saying he was too gentle.

    Hopefully the opening up will happen for children soon.


  • #6960
    Loafing Oaf
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    Stateofyou wrote: »

    Move the teachers up the vaccination list.

    For this to have a meaningful effect this year, you'd need to move them ahead of the elderly. Do you think that would go down well?


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  • #6961
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes Deec I agree, if they have siblings it makes it easier for sure. Dr Niamh Byrne was also saying that kids need interaction with other kids outside of their family unit and this is hugely important in teaching them how to deal with different relationships and situations. They are not picking up these vital skills which would happen as a matter of course in normal times.

    I come from a big family and remember well tearing the hair off my brothers and sisters in fights :rolleyes: as a way of resolving issues, but you don't do that with strangers or friends..... you learn other ways of communicating and resolving things. Its not happening now which she thinks will result in social issues around relationships and interacting with other people in the future. (I seriously hope it won't, but there is bound to be a backlash from all of this at such an important developmental stage in life)

    That bit in bold is actually a shocking read. It smacks of toxic family dynamics. In our home we treat each other with the same respect we would treat anyone else. The home should be the first model, not 'what not to do' vs 'what to do' in & outside the home. My kids aren't allowed to abuse each other, or anyone else. We talk about self respect and self love too. People should be nurturing and reinforcing a loving and supportive family home home environment, full stop.


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