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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7202
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Bizarre story here. Child tests negative for Covid but we are going to blame Covid for it anyway:

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/our-5-year-old-is-in-icu-with-covid-linked-illness-40103698.html

    Seems far more likely that an infection from the cut he got is the cause of his illness.

    Yet another example of dreadful journalism.

    Your medical knowledge being superior to the medics who diagnosed him.

    PIMS happens after a Covid infection and is a well documented after-effect.

    Not included in your post:

    'A nurse and a young doctor said they were not happy, that Tommy wasn’t responding to treatment...They took Tommy for a heart scan. Later they told us he had this Covid-19 related condition, we’d never heard of, PIMS.'


  • #7203
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I don't agree. Journalist looking for a story could easily have put words in their mouths. Happens all the time
    Journalist tells them about PIMS, asks them if they think it could be that etc. It's the way a lot of journalists work these days, unfortunately.

    How did the journalist find them, if that's the case?

    Did they wait outside Crumlin Hospital for months trying that line with any parents who came out?


  • #7204
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Stheno wrote: »
    I have one expectation from this government when it comes to this pandemic and that is to communicate effectively and clearly...

    How about telling the truth?

    Which is in many respects 'we don't know'.


  • #7205
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    How about telling the truth?

    Which is in many respects 'we don't know'.

    No problem with that. Huge problem with their entertainment of providing detail on possible future scenarios given an obscene range of hypotheticals.


  • #7206
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KrustyUCC wrote: »

    They're giving an open goal to SF is they push back construction past March no matter how concerned Tony & Co are

    I dunno, SF seem pretty cool with restrictions. What I'm really very concerned about is that there is going to be a far-Right group emerging which manages to capture the people who are concerned about restrictions.

    It hasn't happened to date, but the longer the restrictions carry on, it's easy to see a Renua - or worse - weaponising opposition to same. We're lucky there's no election due.


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  • #7207
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Could we have a bit of basic cop on about the current situation?

    Just over a month ago Ireland had one of the world’s highest covid-19 infection rates largely
    due to increased 'social mixing and reduction of physical distancing over Christmas'

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/01/15/ireland-has-one-of-the-worlds-highest-covid-19-infection-rates

    We've just got that down - and we have some screaming that they are fed up with the whole thing again . Wtf? We are all fed up.

    But no - it shouldn't be about needing to be told exactly when next we can all do the conga - but more importantly it's still about keeping the rate of infection down and stopping our health services being overrun. God forbid that we end up with another Christmas rerun with rising cases with an even more infectious varient in the staring role


  • #7208
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Que sera, sera, hopefully in a good way.

    Better to be cautious now rather than be populist and lead us all down the next lockdown path.

    If the JJ vaccine works, we will be free soon enough. A bit of pain for a big gain is worth it. Even the Shinners agree lol. Says it all. Rebels me article.


  • #7209
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I dunno, SF seem pretty cool with restrictions. What I'm really very concerned about is that there is going to be a far-Right group emerging which manages to capture the people who are concerned about restrictions.

    It hasn't happened to date, but the longer the restrictions carry on, it's easy to see a Renua - or worse - weaponising opposition to same. We're lucky there's no election due.

    I think because Mary Lou got it her tone has softened


  • #7210
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    gozunda wrote: »
    Could we have a bit of basic cop on about the current situation?

    Just over a month ago Ireland had one of the world’s highest covid-19 infection rates largely
    due to increased 'social mixing and reduction of physical distancing over Christmas'

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/01/15/ireland-has-one-of-the-worlds-highest-covid-19-infection-rates

    We've just got that down - and we have some screaming that they are fed up with the whole thing again . Wtf? We are all fed up.

    But no - it shouldn't be about needing to be told exactly when next we can all do the conga - but more importantly it's still about keeping the rate of infection down and stopping our health services being overrun. God forbid that we end up with another Christmas rerun with rising cases with an even more infectious varient in the staring role

    I think we will look back on this in five years and wonder what the hell we lived through. 4000 dead and counting.

    It’s worth being careful now to ensure a spike doesn’t happen again. The health services can’t take it. But we do need to get schools open above all else.

    A family member of mine got vaccinated yesterday. He’d be in vulnerable group but works in HSE and out and about a lot to nursing homes etc so I’m absolutely delighted and relieved he’s got it.


  • #7211
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    What exactly do you want government to do? Tell people that they'll start easing restrictions in X weeks? They do that people will stay behaviour like the restrictions don't exist in X-2weeks before the target is achieved.

    Tell people that restrictions will be listed when daily cases are Y, people will start to ignore restrictions at Y +200, let alone be stable under Y for a week.

    There is simply no way of giving a timeline for removing the restrictions without undermining them. This is a sad reality of our society.

    We'd be out of this mess if people actually followed the restrictions and government guidelines properly. What are we expecting Martin to do, be there at your door to tell you that the "area shur the evening cans with the lads/drinkies with the girls is grand" is not on?

    On the one hand we expect government to protect everyone's welfare yet seemingly object when it takes the necessary measures to ensure this.

    The problem as I see it with how the government are handling these lockdowns is it is almost entirely one-sided. Whether you agree with it or not, the lockdown feels like a punishment. When we were first locked down, we were told it was to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system. Everyone bought in, and that was avoided. But while that was happening, the government did little to ensure that that threat was minimised in the future.

    Add to that the situation with the schools. The Leaving Cert was cancelled. A plan was thrown together and it was barely dealt with. There was always a threat another lockdown was going to happen again and unbelievably, the government put no plan, no contingency together. And here we are again.

    The government are putting the entire responsibility onto the public and doing nothing to shoulder a portion of the responsibility. There is no solidarity. No sign of a plan. No leadership and no encouragement. It's just scolding and being talked down to with no end in sight. I can't blame people for not following the seemingly arbitrary rules. Especially the 5km limit. There's no explanation for why this is in place. Just being told "do it. And shut up."

    The government's handling of this is extraordinarily poor. Its a complete abdication of leadership and I'm astonished at how badly their messaging and leadership has been handled.


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  • #7212
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    One country we haven’t looked towards so much is Finland. Looks like they have managed the pandemic better than any European country with lower restrictions than here. I know people will bring up population density but the vast majority of the population live in the south or in small cities.
    They have fewer than 30 in ICU in the country at present. https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finlands_icus_less_busy_as_covid_hits_younger_population_expert_says/11791270

    Anyway their prime minister Sanna Marin is on the cover of Time.

    https://twitter.com/time/status/1362018118210490372?s=21


  • #7213
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    This is interesting in showing where we are relative to others. As was discussed here back in April/May Ireland had ramped up testing ahead of many other EU countries.

    https://twitter.com/vollcornhirsch/status/1362041993556328450?s=21

    We are no longer up the league table and that is because we have had lockdowns and for the most part the population has complied with the rules. This is a narrative that both extremes are uncomfortable with. We had a brief period where our cases were higher than elsewhere but we managed this very well.


  • #7214
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Opening construction on March 5th is not being populist, its using common sense, a huge amount of construction goes on outdoors and in well ventilated buildings, the government are forgetting the fundamentals on how the virus spreads. Tony being worried about mixing on sites obviously hasn't driven around Dublin lately, the majority of units in business parks and industrial estates are open and working away yet numbers are still declining.

    Similarly there is no reason to keep the 5km restriction, it was brought in after Christmas when cases were over 8k a day, it is not justified when they are presently a tenth of that and will be lower again in 2 weeks time.

    The government need to grow a pair and take control of the situation with both decisive actions and a clamp down on kite flying and leaks.


  • #7215
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    prunudo wrote: »
    Opening construction on March 5th is not being populist, its using common sense, a huge amount of construction goes on outdoors and in well ventilated buildings, the government are forgetting the fundamentals on how the virus spreads. Tony being worried about mixing on sites obviously hasn't driven around Dublin lately, the majority of units in business parks and industrial estates are open and working away yet numbers are still declining.

    Similarly there is no reason to keep the 5km restriction, it was brought in after Christmas when cases were over 8k a day, it is not justified when they are presently a tenth of that and will be lower again in 2 weeks time.

    The government need to grow a pair and take control of the situation with both decisive actions and a clamp down on kite flying and leaks.

    Everything is about balance. And reopening the economy is balanced.


  • #7216
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    650 new cases

    57 deaths, 1 from November, 1 from December, 21 January, 34 February

    Why are deaths announced daily like this if they are not daily?

    Most people I speak to believe that the 57 people would have died in the 24 hours before the numbers were announced!


  • #7217
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Everything is about balance. And reopening the economy is balanced.

    But nothing has reopened or looks to be reopened so how is that balancing the economy.
    Facebook are allowed to contuine construction on their massive data centre yet Tommy with his crew of 3 who is building a one off house in Tipperary can't. That's not balanced.


  • #7218
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭prunudo


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Why are deaths announced daily like this if they are not daily?

    Most people I speak to believe that 57 people died in the 24 hours before the numbers were announced!

    To scare people into compliance.

    But at the same time when they announced 100 one day in January, its quite possible when retrospective numbers are added that there were close to that on particular days during the peak.


  • #7219
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd rather they just vaccinate as many people as possible, even if it means an extra few months of lockdown, rather than it getting out of control again.

    The government ignored nphet in December and it looks like it'll take 5/6 months to fix that **** up. That's on them. Nobody wants this dragging into 2022.

    Vaccinations are already making a difference in over 85s. Just a waiting game at this stage.


  • #7220
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    6 wrote: »
    I'd rather they just vaccinate as many people as possible, even if it means an extra few months of lockdown, rather than it getting out of control again.

    The government ignored nphet in December and it looks like it'll take 5/6 months to fix that **** up. That's on them. Nobody wants this dragging into 2022.

    Vaccinations are already making a difference in over 85s. Just a waiting game at this stage.


    The Christmas spike was coming regardless. It would be naive to think that it was solely caused by hospitality.
    Also NPHET hadn't a rashers that the surge would be the extent it was.
    I'm not excusing this hopeless Government, but I don't think its fair that NPHET get a free pass on what happened at Christmas either.


  • #7221
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    robbiezero wrote: »
    The Christmas spike was coming regardless. It would be naive to think that it was solely caused by hospitality.
    Also NPHET hadn't a rashers that the surge would be the extent it was.
    I'm not excusing this hopeless Government, but I don't think its fair that NPHET get a free pass on what happened at Christmas either.

    I think you are right. There was a pent up demand for social contact and it would have happened to a big extent anyway.


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  • #7222
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Why are deaths announced daily like this if they are not daily?

    Most people I speak to believe that the 57 people would have died in the 24 hours before the numbers were announced!

    Most people do not believe that. Most people are intelligent enough. If you want to give out about death reports not being to your liking or (like others) being a tool for manipulation, just divide the total by days to get something that you might accept.
    2230 deaths on dec 30th. 4040 now. Thats 1810 in the 50 days since dec 30th. 36 every day. 43% every day this year above normal mortality numbers in Ireland. Perhaps you can work better with that approach.


  • #7223
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Most people do not believe that. Most people are intelligent enough. If you want to give out about death reports not being to your liking or (like others) being a tool for manipulation, just divide the total by days to get something that you might accept.
    2230 deaths on dec 30th. 4040 now. Thats 1810 in the 50 days since dec 30th. 36 every day. 43% every day this year above normal mortality numbers in Ireland. Perhaps you can work better with that approach.

    Where did you find the data on 43% - is this the work Seamus Coffey is doing on excess deaths? Any data on excess deaths for 2020 as a whole?


  • #7224
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Why are deaths announced daily like this if they are not daily?

    Most people I speak to believe that the 57 people would have died in the 24 hours before the numbers were announced!

    They are announced as the info comes in. The families of the deceased have 3 months to register the death. This has been mentioned several times in various reports.


  • #7225
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Where did you find the data on 43% - is this the work Seamus Coffey is doing on excess deaths? Any data on excess deaths for 2020 as a whole?

    83 or 84 is our normal daily number of deaths in Ireland. 36 is 43% of 83.


  • #7226
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Most people do not believe that. Most people are intelligent enough. If you want to give out about death reports not being to your liking or (like others) being a tool for manipulation, just divide the total by days to get something that you might accept.
    2230 deaths on dec 30th. 4040 now. Thats 1810 in the 50 days since dec 30th. 36 every day. 43% every day this year above normal mortality numbers in Ireland. Perhaps you can work better with that approach.

    That's what you believe. As a resident of a covid thread.

    But death figures as headlines delivered with daily case numbers are most definitely been taken by many people to mean daily death figures.

    From your tone I can only assume you're presuming you're speaking to some covid denier. You're not.

    "... giving out", "...something I might accept"

    uuuurgggghh


  • #7227
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    robbiezero wrote: »
    The Christmas spike was coming regardless. It would be naive to think that it was solely caused by hospitality.
    Also NPHET hadn't a rashers that the surge would be the extent it was.
    I'm not excusing this hopeless Government, but I don't think its fair that NPHET get a free pass on what happened at Christmas either.

    The Christmas spike did not happen regardless in Germany and France to any degree similar to ours. We even spiked more than the UK. We were almost the best at spiking, with Portugal maybe. It does not help to absolve agency from people if looking to adjust reality to ones preferred narrative.


  • #7228
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    prunudo wrote: »
    But nothing has reopened or looks to be reopened so how is that balancing the economy.
    Facebook are allowed to contuine construction on their massive data centre yet Tommy with his crew of 3 who is building a one off house in Tipperary can't. That's not balanced.

    Fair enough. But there was good reason for that exception in terms of the economy. And I think construction should be reopened more broadly next month.


  • #7229
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I think you are right. There was a pent up demand for social contact and it would have happened to a big extent anyway.

    Yep.
    If they hadnt opened hospitality they would be likely getting hammered for enabling the house parties that caused the surge and not allowing people to socialize in a controlled environment.


  • #7230
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    lawred2 wrote: »
    That's what you believe. As a resident of a covid thread.

    But death figures as headlines delivered with daily case numbers are most definitely been taken by many people to mean daily death figures.

    From your tone I can only assume your presuming you're speaking to some covid denier. You're not.

    "... giving out", "...something I might accept"

    uuuurgggghh

    If people cannot figure out the reality of death number reports then they must rollercoaster dangerously between happiness and horror day by day. From 0 to 100 back to 10 then 70. I dont believe people are generally so silly.


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  • #7231
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    lawred2 wrote: »
    But death figures as headlines delivered with daily case numbers are most definitely been taken by many people to mean daily death figures

    Well, people should read past the headlines. We have been told several times in various reports that the deaths aren't all from the same day, week or even month due to how people register deaths. It's why we used rip.ie info initially to estimate the daily deaths for calcing excess mortality as people tend to put info up on there very fast, but for various reasons may not register the death immediately.


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