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BonnieSituation · 15-02-2021 12:48PM

Anyone else get a receipt just there for theor November 11th purchase of the 200 fathoms boxset?

:Confused:

Pen Rua · 15-02-2021 12:52PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Anyone else get a receipt just there for theor November 11th purchase of the 200 fathoms boxset?

:Confused:

Huh, I did - mine is saying 12 Nov order.

BonnieSituation · 15-02-2021 12:55PM

Pen Rua wrote: »

Huh, I did - mine is saying 12 Nov order.

Sorry, I meant 12th.

Seems all the brouhaha on the day is finally working its way out of the system.

MonkstownHoop · 15-02-2021 02:02PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Anyone else get a receipt just there for theor November 11th purchase of the 200 fathoms boxset?

:Confused:

Yeah I did

dominatinMC · 15-02-2021 02:06PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Anyone else get a receipt just there for theor November 11th purchase of the 200 fathoms boxset?

:Confused:

Can I ask when do they usually put the 200 Fathoms boxset on their website for sale? Late October/early November?

Insect Overlord · 15-02-2021 03:19PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Can I ask when do they usually put the 200 Fathoms boxset on their website for sale? Late October/early November?

The box set was a new gimmick this year. There was no 200 Fathoms the previous year. Prior to that you'd just have to look in decent local offies whenever it was released and hope it wasn't all bought before you got there!

MidlanderMan · 15-02-2021 08:34PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Anyone else get a receipt just there for theor November 11th purchase of the 200 fathoms boxset?

:Confused:

I did. Still haven't had a reply to my email asking if they'd compensate/provide a replacement to me for the broken bottle and glass that they badly packed and shipped me.

BonnieSituation · 15-02-2021 08:43PM

That's fair bad form after all this time tbf

Pen Rua · 16-02-2021 02:46PM

Whiplash constantly seem to have release after release. Are they on par / ahead of other Irish breweries?

https://twitter.com/whiplashbeer/status/1361646762902097921

youcancallmeal · 16-02-2021 03:00PM

Pen Rua wrote: »

Whiplash constantly seem to have release after release. Are they on par / ahead of other Irish breweries?

https://twitter.com/whiplashbeer/status/1361646762902097921

I'm no expert in craft brewing but Im pretty sure the ideal business model is to have a few core range beers and then be constantly releasing limited edition beers. It maintains customer interest in your brand and in Whiplash's case it helps that most of their limited editions beers are pretty good

16-02-2021 03:12PM

It's actually starting to push me the other way now. You've just done an order and a heap of new ones land, so I tend to just ignore the ones that do it completely.

Pen Rua · 16-02-2021 03:53PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It's actually starting to push me the other way now. You've just done an order and a heap of new ones land, so I tend to just ignore the ones that do it completely.

Getting to that stage now too - would have prefered they did 6 new releases this week as opposed to 3 last week, 3 this week. That way I get my 6 can order. Meh.

MidlanderMan · 16-02-2021 04:02PM

Pen Rua wrote: »

Whiplash constantly seem to have release after release. Are they on par / ahead of other Irish breweries?

They make very good New England style IPA's and Pale Ales.
Their regular porter is a bit rough around the edges but grand, their recent coffee porter with 3FE was spectacular. I've had a few other styles they've made and they've been hit and miss, a Belgian dubbel a few years back was particularly poor.

They remind me of Cloud Water in that they seem to re-release what is basically the same DIPA with different hops every few weeks. Yeah they're good, but like, we knew that after the first version 3 years ago. There's undoubtably brewing talent there, but the brewery itself has been a bit of a one trick pony.
Buisness model seems to be selling the idea of scarcity but releasing essentially the same beer with different hops in small batches regularly at pretty high prices.

In fairness it's working for them, they have a dedicated army of fan boys who lap it up.

More power to them.

Macy0161 · 16-02-2021 04:04PM

Pen Rua wrote: »

Getting to that stage now too - would have prefered they did 6 new releases this week as opposed to 3 last week, 3 this week. That way I get my 6 can order. Meh.

It's a nice boon for UPS, as well as the brewery, the way they are doing it anyway. Great beers, but I'd end up drinking nothing but whiplash the rate they are going.

I get sucked in all the time, but this approach is one that has me less inclined to buy direct to be honest, as at least I can mix it up buying from the online off licences.

Richie71 · 16-02-2021 04:54PM

MidlanderMan wrote:

I did. Still haven't had a reply to my email asking if they'd compensate/provide a replacement to me for the broken bottle and glass that they badly packed and shipped me.

Same here. Just a broken glass though.

RonanC · 16-02-2021 08:40PM

MidlanderMan wrote: »

They remind me of Cloud Water in that they seem to re-release what is basically the same DIPA with different hops every few weeks. Yeah they're good, but like, we knew that after the first version 3 years ago. There's undoubtably brewing talent there, but the brewery itself has been a bit of a one trick pony.

Aside from IPAs and DIPAs, in the last 12 months they have released a coffee porter, an imperial stout, a dubbel, a schwarzbier, a smoked stout, a baltic porter, a tripel, a grisette, a brown ale, and a Belgian pale. I'm not sure if there's any other Irish brewery producing such a wide variety of styles.

Effects · 16-02-2021 09:30PM

MidlanderMan wrote: »

I did. Still haven't had a reply to my email asking if they'd compensate/provide a replacement to me for the broken bottle and glass that they badly packed and shipped me.

You need to follow that up, as they obviously just made a mistake in not getting back to you. They won't suddenly remember!

Effects · 16-02-2021 09:32PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

It's a nice boon for UPS, as well as the brewery, the way they are doing it anyway.

Except any time I get my cans they seemed to have been fairly chucked around, as they all have multiple dents in them.

L1011 · 16-02-2021 09:47PM

Anything packed without cardboard between the cans and a relatively thick box (e.g. craftcentral) is going to get a bit of a bashing. Had an actual burst with Whiplash, brewery sorted it out perfectly, but the lighter weight packaging is going to increase the risk

Its a decision as to the shipping *and* environmental costs though. I recycle my cardboard but it will still have consumed energy and degraded the paper fibres in said cardboard one more time (they only have so many cycles before they get too short to be useful). Dinked cans still drink fine.

I'm fairly sure that a mixed box I got from Beercloud was 100% dented, as if it was made using the left overs from damaged inbound deliveries :pac: - but every beer was still perfectly drinkable.

If you are ordering from anywhere, ensuring a full box will help avoid dents even more. I've only ever gone for 24 for Craftcentral, so I don't know what smaller box sizes they have but I'm sure other people do. From what I've seen, Beercloud have 12 and 24 boxes definitely; Whiplash 6 and 24, Kildare Brewing have 12s; and probably more sizes for each too.

Pen Rua · 16-02-2021 11:31PM

Effects wrote: »

Except any time I get my cans they seemed to have been fairly chucked around, as they all have multiple dents in them.

Yup - each can in the 6 pack I got last week was pretty badly dented. I had originally assumed they were just the duds not suitable to go to retail. Didn’t factor in the transport / little padding in the parcel. Not that it impacts the beer.

Effects · 17-02-2021 01:16AM

I hadn't thought about them packing with cans not suitable for retail.
A friend of mine used to live with a guy who worked at Beavertown, and they had a shelf in the fridge that was always full of dented cans.

Pen Rua · 17-02-2021 09:53AM

L1011 wrote: »

[snip]

If you are ordering from anywhere, ensuring a full box will help avoid dents even more. I've only ever gone for 24 for Craftcentral, so I don't know what smaller box sizes they have but I'm sure other people do. From what I've seen, Beercloud have 12 and 24 boxes definitely; Whiplash 6 and 24, Kildare Brewing have 12s; and probably more sizes for each too.

I've had smaller orders from CraftCentral in early Lockdown 1 - they still used the x24 can box.

Twee. · 17-02-2021 10:13AM

Again this is my personal account but I do just want to say we absolutely do not ship cans that are "not suitable for retail" to online shop customers! I'm aware of cans being dented in transit.

FileNotFound · 17-02-2021 10:40AM

Twee. wrote: »

Again this is my personal account but I do just want to say we absolutely do not ship cans that are "not suitable for retail" to online shop customers! I'm aware of cans being dented in transit.

Have to ask - does that mean you don't ship dented cans to online customers?

Macy0161 · 17-02-2021 10:41AM

No complaints on the mix of styles from Whiplash - it's probably what draws me back. I just can't keep up.

L1011 wrote: »

I'm fairly sure that a mixed box I got from Beercloud was 100% dented, as if it was made using the left overs from damaged inbound deliveries :pac: - but every beer was still perfectly drinkable.

I don't recall getting any from beercloud dented, or bottles broken, but have had it on Whiplash orders (but also had a glass get through fine).

stefanovich · 17-02-2021 10:45AM

FileNotFound wrote: »

Have to ask - does that mean you don't ship dented cans to online customers?

Yeah - he didn't explicitly say they didn't ship dented cans - just cans that aren't suitable for retail.

Is a slightly dented can ever suitable for retail? I thought the answer would be no due to risk of air ingress and the risk of spoilage.

Twee. · 17-02-2021 10:57AM

Sorry if that was unclear - dented cans do not get sold in our online shop. They are not dented when they are packed for online orders. I'm not trying to be cryptic here.
I'm aware of cans getting dented in transit, after they have been packed and have left for shipping.

Pen Rua · 17-02-2021 10:59AM

Twee. wrote: »

Again this is my personal account but I do just want to say we absolutely do not ship cans that are "not suitable for retail" to online shop customers! I'm aware of cans being dented in transit.

Thanks for the clarification. Was just a guess on my end. I go through them pretty sharpish so no impact on the beer... just the photo for Untappd. :pac:

Black Sheep · 17-02-2021 12:54PM

I know with cans of food being dented the concern is that if they are deeply dented to the point the integrity is compromised then bacteria can get in.

But with beer cans I must admit my assumption was always that no matter how badly dented, it didn't really matter. If the dent was deep enough then the liquid would come out, as alluded to above with the burst Whiplash can. But failing that I assumed they were ok.

So when dented cans are not considered fit for retail, is it mainly a cosmetic thing? Seems a shame if so.

Pen Rua · 17-02-2021 01:02PM

Black Sheep wrote: »

I know with cans of food being dented the concern is that if they are deeply dented to the point the integrity is compromised then bacteria can get in.

But with beer cans I must admit my assumption was always that no matter how badly dented, it didn't really matter. If the dent was deep enough then the liquid would come out, as alluded to above with the burst Whiplash can. But failing that I assumed they were ok.

So when dented cans are not considered fit for retail, is it mainly a cosmetic thing? Seems a shame if so.

My statement earlier in the thread was meant in the sense they were not suitable for retail for cosmetic reasons.

If I was a brewer, I wouldn't want dented cans from me filling my shelf space.

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