Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

16-02-2021 09:56PM

There's a big housing project still ongoing around the corner from me so all construction is not prohibited. I could be wrong but MNC construction projects are still underway

16-02-2021 10:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Curfew in Baden-Württemberg was set aside by Court too last week.
They can now only curfew locations where infection rates are excessively high.

https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/gericht-hebt-ausgangssperre-auf-100.html

This is great news. Our curfew must now be lifted.

Windmill100000 · 16-02-2021 10:00PM

Edz87 wrote: »

There's a big housing project still ongoing around the corner from me so all construction is not prohibited. I could be wrong but MNC construction projects are still underway

Some building operations are exempt from lockdown. The one you refer to must fall into one of the following:

- essential health and related projects including those relevant to preventing, limiting, minimising or slowing the spread of Covid-19

- A limited number of social housing projects, including voids, designated as essential sites by local authorities based on set criteria (projects due to be completed in the next six to eight weeks)

- housing adaptation grants where the homeowner is agreeable to adaptions being undertaken in their home

- repair, maintenance and construction of critical transport and utility infrastructure

- education facilities sites designated as essential by Department of Education

- supply and delivery of essential or emergency maintenance and repair services to businesses and places of residence (including electrical, gas, plumbing, glazing and roofing services) on an emergency call-out basis

- certain large construction projects in the exporting/FDI sector based on set criteria.

NovemberWren · 16-02-2021 10:01PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The political choice in this country is depressing - it's about trying to choose the least-worst option.

and what is even worse - some of those laws that they make, how can some of the pages of those laws even be considered legal.

Graham · 16-02-2021 10:01PM

ypres5 wrote: »

and why don't you try addressing the rest of my post whenever you're ready because everything you've said about construction is utterly baseless. you made a big song and dance about 1-2 outbreaks in building sites a day out of thousands of sites in the country which is ridiculous

You definition of song & dance differs from mine.

The HSPC report 5 construction outbreaks in their most recent weekly report.

That's outbreaks, not cases.

People on these sites go home to their families, they shop, their family members shop.

It doesn't take a genius to see how this spreads exponentially, slowing down the reduction in case numbers.

And that's before construction is reopened.

Let's not pretend its irrelevant.

CatalogJinx · 16-02-2021 10:03PM

Another new killer variant identified according to the IT boys. Better lob on another few months to the lockdown to be sure to be sure.

Also, frontline hcw here, still no vaccine or any indication of when it might arrive. Mightn't bother my rear end taking it now as what's the point anymore. Few with a similar attitude to myself are considering waiting for the updated vaccines which will apparently tackle these new deadly strains. Probably no logic to that but people aren't arsed from what I can gather anymore.

ninebeanrows · 16-02-2021 10:06PM

Without trump the media will really struggle after Covid simmers down, expect them to drag it on as long as possible.

A post Covid, post Trump era spells the end for many online and printed media

Ha Long Bay · 16-02-2021 10:07PM

:rolleyes:

CatalogJinx wrote: »

Another new killer variant identified according to the IT boys. Better lob on another few months to the lockdown to be sure to be sure.

Also, frontline hcw here, still no vaccine or any indication of when it might arrive. Mightn't bother my rear end taking it now as what's the point anymore. Few with a similar attitude to myself are considering waiting for the updated vaccines which will apparently tackle these new deadly strains. Probably no logic to that but people aren't arsed from what I can gather anymore.

CatalogJinx wrote: »

Not a massive fan of lockdowns at all so I've made myself sit down and identify the positives!

-permanent state job and working from home since last march.
-work has gone very quiet with pandemic and I've only been redeployed for 2 days overall so more time for hobbies etc (who knew how fun knitting is).
-more time to catch up with nieces and nephews, albeit on zoom.
-no traffic jams, grrrrrr
-wad of cash for a deposit and building day on day.
-loads of annual leave to carry over for later in the year when things might be a bit looser.
-exploring parts of town on foot which I've never ventured into before.
-having plausible deniability when you pretend not to recognise someone because of their mask.
-there still seems to be a nice bit of camaraderie around, people looking out for eachother.
-all my friends are public servants / teachers so there's always someone to chat to if you get lonely during day.
-my non PS friends are all happy enough on the PUP for the timebeing and I'm proud of our social welfare system to look after our most vulnerable I suppose.

(Despite all that, PLEASE bring back normality!!)

growleaves · 16-02-2021 10:07PM

2020: Wow I've saved so much money this year! Yes this staying in is a challenge but at least I'm in great financial shape.

2027: Negative interest rates shrank my savings and monetary inflation bid up the cost of house ownership and rent. Why didn't anyone warn me?!

Windmill100000 · 16-02-2021 10:08PM

CatalogJinx wrote: »

Another new killer variant identified according to the IT boys. Better lob on another few months to the lockdown to be sure to be sure.

Also, frontline hcw here, still no vaccine or any indication of when it might arrive. Mightn't bother my rear end taking it now as what's the point anymore. Few with a similar attitude to myself are considering waiting for the updated vaccines which will apparently tackle these new deadly strains. Probably no logic to that but people aren't arsed from what I can gather anymore.

Frontline hcw here, got my second jab (Pfizer) two weeks ago. All in hospital that I know that wanted jab have got it to my knowledge. Last week workers were given the AstraZeneca one as they must have been out of Pfizer.

Agency staff now being given vaccine if they want it.

Corby Trouser Press · 16-02-2021 10:10PM

Graham wrote: »

You definition of song & dance differs from mine.

The HSPC report 5 construction outbreaks in their most recent weekly report.

That's outbreaks, not cases.

People on these sites go home to their families, they shop, their family members shop.

It doesn't take a genius to see how this spreads exponentially, slowing down the reduction in case numbers.

And that's before construction is reopened.

Let's not pretend its irrelevant.

Proportionality.

Economic costs.

Trade-offs.

Evidence.

Science.

Nothing supports the construction restrictions so why is a seemingly sensible man like yourself doing so ?

16-02-2021 10:10PM

ecoli3136 wrote: »

This is great news. Our curfew must now be lifted.

You would need proper separation of powers in Ireland. The Courts in Germany just work off the constitution.
The Courts in Ireland always seem to be looking for a Nod of approval from Government.

Penfailed · 16-02-2021 10:10PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Some building operations are exempt from lockdown. The one you refer to must fall into one of the following:

- essential health and related projects including those relevant to preventing, limiting, minimising or slowing the spread of Covid-19

- A limited number of social housing projects, including voids, designated as essential sites by local authorities based on set criteria (projects due to be completed in the next six to eight weeks)

- housing adaptation grants where the homeowner is agreeable to adaptions being undertaken in their home

- repair, maintenance and construction of critical transport and utility infrastructure

- education facilities sites designated as essential by Department of Education

- supply and delivery of essential or emergency maintenance and repair services to businesses and places of residence (including electrical, gas, plumbing, glazing and roofing services) on an emergency call-out basis

- certain large construction projects in the exporting/FDI sector based on set criteria.

The N56 in Donegal is hardly critical transport infrastructure but the realignment is continuing unabated.

CatalogJinx · 16-02-2021 10:11PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Frontline hcw here, got my second jab (Pfizer) two weeks ago. All in hospital that I know that wanted jab have got it to my knowledge. Last week workers were given the AstraZeneca one as they must have been out of Pfizer.

Agency staff now being given vaccine if they want it.

Yeah we should be soon. An end to tele/videohealth and a return to normal resumption of services hopefully. We are due az too apparently.

Penfailed · 16-02-2021 10:13PM

Graham wrote: »

You definition of song & dance differs from mine.

The HSPC report 5 construction outbreaks in their most recent weekly report.

That's outbreaks, not cases.

People on these sites go home to their families, they shop, their family members shop.

It doesn't take a genius to see how this spreads exponentially, slowing down the reduction in case numbers.

And that's before construction is reopened.

Let's not pretend its irrelevant.

It sounds scary when you call it an outbreak...an outbreak might only be two cases.

weldoninhio · 16-02-2021 10:19PM

Penfailed wrote: »

It sounds scary when you call it an outbreak...an outbreak might only be two cases.

And a case could be someone with no symptoms and no ill effects.

Silentcorner · 16-02-2021 10:22PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

The amount of lockdown merchants on this thread is ridiculous! Are ye that thick?
We cant keep paying people not to work, we can’t keep giving businesses money to keep them closed, this ‘free money’ bollocks is a fallacy.
We’ll all be caught by the short and curlys once this is eventually over!
My father is out of work now and he fuçking hates it and doesn’t need to be off work because some pansies are worried about a variant that isn’t even here or is here and they haven’t a fûcking clue that it is. There’s 1000’s of variants of every virus! AIDS is an example and so is influenza.
By the looks of things a good lot on here have been brainwashed by the brains trust of Staines,Ryan,Killeen, Mcdonkey!
Zero covid bullshît!!

To be fair, we have never seen a media reaction to something like this before...we aren't used to it, a lot of people still won't realize that the industry thrives on hysteria now, hyper emotive content...when you mix what is a toxic industry with a pandemic you get this kind of madness...

We have essentially grounded our kids for the best part of a year for a virus that is virtually harmless to them pumping them with fear and anxiety as we do it...at the moment they can't meet their friends...I know the reasoning behind the action, but it psychotic...you had the Children's Ombudsman speak out about the effect on kids but what would he know?

Thankfully, more and more you can see kids out playing and people out walking mingling etc more and more over the last few weeks...

Remember, propaganda's (and this media cycle is the nearest thing to propaganda that I've ever seen) purpose is not so much to change your mind, but to convince you you are in the minority.

I'll be advising my elderly parents they should start to visit their grand kids again, something they should never have had to be deprived of!!!

ceadaoin. · 16-02-2021 10:22PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Without trump the media will really struggle after Covid simmers down, expect them to drag it on as long as possible.

A post Covid, post Trump era spells the end for many online and printed media

Had on CNN earlier. All they talk about is still trump, followed by coronavirus with a bit about the extreme weather across much of the US, but from a coronavirus angle.

growleaves · 16-02-2021 10:23PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

And a case could be someone with no symptoms and no ill effects.

The use of the word 'outbreak' is mischievous in this context. An outbreak of asymptomatic positives is not an outbreak of disease. An outbreak of disease is where several people get seriously sick.

Captain Pillowcase · 16-02-2021 10:24PM

I wonder how big the brain drain will be when this is over. If I was in my 20's I would be looking else where, a country better capable of handling a crisis and things like a vaccine rollout not one that looks to destabilise an economy and set a country back years.

Things need to open back up, all the other crisis we had before this came along didn't just vanish. We still have a housing crisis, people need homes. Just because the media are not publishing figures across their front pages these days does not mean it has magically vanished. More people are queueing for foodbank services. Already so many young people will not be able to afford even the cheapest apartment in Dublin and the current unemployment rates will not magically vanish overnight leaving those just getting by on PUP facing tough times when it gets cut and the money falls. The mental health services that didn't get the funding it needed will be under increased pressure. I'm sure there are many more services that were under pressure. I am not claiming other countries are better but we seem to have a great knack of stumbling from one mismanagement to another, one crisis to another.

The budget in the Autumn will be 'interesting'. Wonder how they will frame the usual lack of investment to sectors of health services.

Penfailed · 16-02-2021 10:27PM

CatalogJinx wrote: »

Yeah we should be soon. An end to tele/videohealth and a return to normal resumption of services hopefully. We are due az too apparently.

If you are doing tele/videohealth, surely you can't call yourself a frontline HCW and keep a straight face.

PowerToWait · 16-02-2021 10:28PM

Captain Pillowcase wrote: »

I wonder how big the brain drain will be when this is over. If I was in my 20's I would be looking else where, a country better capable of handling a crisis and things like a vaccine rollout not one that looks to destabilise an economy and set a country back years.

Things need to open back up, all the other crisis we had before this came along didn't just vanish. We still have a housing crisis, people need homes. Just because the media are not publishing figures across their front pages these days does not mean it has magically vanished. More people are queueing for foodbank services. Already so many young people will not be able to afford even the cheapest apartment in Dublin and the current unemployment rates will not magically vanish overnight leaving those just getting by on PUP facing tough times when it gets cut and the money falls. The mental health services that didn't get the funding it needed will be under increased pressure. I'm sure there are many more services that were under pressure. I am not claiming other countries are better but we seem to have a great knack of stumbling from one mismanagement to another, one crisis to another.

The budget in the Autumn will be 'interesting'. Wonder how they will frame the usual lack of investment to sectors of health services.

Name a country that’s not massively affected by this pandemic?

growleaves · 16-02-2021 10:31PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Name a country that’s not massively affected by this pandemic?

I agree with you but fact is it is easier to find a job in a large country like the UK even if Ireland and the UK are equally in recession. The UK is both much larger and more business-oriented.

ingo1984 · 16-02-2021 10:31PM

Captain Pillowcase wrote: »

I wonder how big the brain drain will be when this is over. If I was in my 20's I would be looking else where, a country better capable of handling a crisis and things like a vaccine rollout not one that looks to destabilise an economy and set a country back years.

Things need to open back up, all the other crisis we had before this came along didn't just vanish. We still have a housing crisis, people need homes. Just because the media are not publishing figures across their front pages these days does not mean it has magically vanished. More people are queueing for foodbank services. Already so many young people will not be able to afford even the cheapest apartment in Dublin and the current unemployment rates will not magically vanish overnight leaving those just getting by on PUP facing tough times when it gets cut and the money falls. The mental health services that didn't get the funding it needed will be under increased pressure. I'm sure there are many more services that were under pressure. I am not claiming other countries are better but we seem to have a great knack of stumbling from one mismanagement to another, one crisis to another.

The budget in the Autumn will be 'interesting'. Wonder how they will frame the usual lack of investment to sectors of health services.

They'll bring in a Covid recovery tax. Bit like the USC after the financial crash.

bikeman1 · 16-02-2021 10:38PM

It’s going to be so great to see some people’s reaction when new hospitalisations plummet and the seasonality of this virus kicks in soon.

Mass vaccine rollout will happen in April and May and then off we go again. Staycations? It will be full steam ahead hopefully welcoming our fellow EU citizens back here to visit the country. At most a PCR test to confirm to keep the anti travel folk happy.

The J&J vaccine which we are getting 2m of is a single dose and can be kept in an ordinary fridge. While you might still catch the virus you won’t get severely sick with it.

Can’t wait to see the back the doom merchants floating around the place.

hamburgham · 16-02-2021 10:39PM

Captain Pillowcase wrote: »

I wonder how big the brain drain will be when this is over. If I was in my 20's I would be looking else where, a country better capable of handling a crisis and things like a vaccine rollout not one that looks to destabilise an economy and set a country back years.

Things need to open back up, all the other crisis we had before this came along didn't just vanish. We still have a housing crisis, people need homes. Just because the media are not publishing figures across their front pages these days does not mean it has magically vanished. More people are queueing for foodbank services. Already so many young people will not be able to afford even the cheapest apartment in Dublin and the current unemployment rates will not magically vanish overnight leaving those just getting by on PUP facing tough times when it gets cut and the money falls. The mental health services that didn't get the funding it needed will be under increased pressure. I'm sure there are many more services that were under pressure. I am not claiming other countries are better but we seem to have a great knack of stumbling from one mismanagement to another, one crisis to another.

The budget in the Autumn will be 'interesting'. Wonder how they will frame the usual lack of investment to sectors of health services.

I’m middle aged and fantasise about leaving all the time.

I remember how before the referendum gay people used say they had to leave the country because they felt they didn’t fit in etc. I feel like that now. I’m repulsed by what’s going on. What’s even worse is the way people I considered myself close to have bought into it, none of them seriously affected of course. This country’s motto should be ‘ I’m alright Jack’.

Captain Pillowcase · 16-02-2021 10:39PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Name a country that’s not massively affected by this pandemic?

I don't believe I said there was a country not affected by this but just in terms of all the previous crisis this country has faced in the past, how we have handled them and the lack of opportunity in terms of housing and jobs if I was in my 20's I would be looking into the possibility of moving to give myself a better chance at a future.

Captain Pillowcase · 16-02-2021 10:41PM

ingo1984 wrote: »

They'll bring in a Covid recovery tax. Bit like the USC after the financial crash.

Yes another temporary tax. This will not place people under even more pressure.

ninebeanrows · 16-02-2021 11:07PM

bikeman1 wrote: »

It’s going to be so great to see some people’s reaction which new hospitalisation plummet and the seasonality of this virus kicks in soon.

Mass vaccine rollout will happen in April and May and then off we go again. Staycations, it’ll be full steam ahead hopefully welcoming our fellow EU citizens back here to visit the country. At most a PCR test to confirm to keep the anti travel folk happy.

The J&J vaccine which we are getting 2m of is a single dose and can be kept in an ordinary fridge. While you might still catch the virus you won’t get severely sick with it.

Can’t wait to see the back the doom merchants floating around the place.

I think even if there was 100% vaccination and zero spread there would be a large amount of people calling for continued restrictions and isolation. This pandemic has exposed some scary truths

Whiplash85 · 16-02-2021 11:10PM

hamburgham wrote: »

I’m middle aged and fantasise about leaving all the time.

I remember how before the referendum gay people used say they had to leave the country because they felt they didn’t fit in etc. I feel like that now. I’m repulsed by what’s going on. What’s even worse is the way people I considered myself close to have bought into it, none of them seriously affected of course. This country’s motto should be ‘ I’m alright Jack’.

Yeah this is it for me too. I have resigned myself to fact that I will be working at the kitchen table for the foreseeable with a screaming baby in the background. Any bit of respite in terms of sport or meeting up with family etc are something I continue to struggle to deal with and hope there will be some easing in the near future but I try to live with this as best I can. What I can't abide and have no tolerance for is the scapegoating, judgemental attitudes of people and downright nastiness that has been pervasive for the last 12 months. The facade or veneer of Irish hospitality and friendliness is not as exceptional as it was made out to be when it was put to the test. "All in this together" is the greatest conjob and empty slogan of our times.

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