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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #8132
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    retro:electro wrote: »
    There is absolutely no reason construction can’t open next Monday never mind April

    Other than the whole pandemic thing?


  • #8133
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I was listening to someone earlier who said variants of this virus have been occurring since it started and it’s only now we are getting obsessed with every single one and using them as a reason to stall any progress. It’s been mutating since day dot, as virus’ do. The whole thing is such a joke at this stage

    well a sizeable portion of the public have fallen for it hook line and sinker so we get to spend another year on the merry go round


  • #8134
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭alentejo


    No schooling until April at this stage
    Never mind international travel, you will not be able to holiday in Ireland this year - All indoor dining closed. Hotels closed.

    HOW IN GODS NAME ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS ! What in gods name will peoples mental health be link come September?

    I am becoming very worried about the trail of destruction Covid is going to leave society in general at the moment


  • #8135
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    Other than the whole pandemic thing?

    what makes the irish pandemic different to everywhere else that has construction open?


  • #8136
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Graham wrote: »
    Other than the whole pandemic thing?

    My father in law has been working in construction over in the UK this whole time. All over the world construction has been taking place due to being essential. Do you have any evidence that it is a main driver of the spread of the virus? Is it just ireland where its a particular problem?


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  • #8137
    domrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭domrush


    Graham wrote: »
    Other than the whole pandemic thing?

    You’d think the moderator of the property forum would have a bit more cop on as to how essential it is to see construction restarted.


  • #8138
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ypres5 wrote: »
    what makes the irish pandemic different to everywhere else that has construction open?

    You tell me.

    Weekly reports through the end of last year list at least 1 or 2 outbreaks per week on construction sites.

    Opening construction too soon would prolong restrictions for the rest of the country and more than likely a quick reversal of sites reopening.


  • #8139
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Graham wrote: »
    Other than the whole pandemic thing?

    The same pandemic that hasn’t stopped other countries from closing construction for months on end? The same pandemic that is responsible for virtually zero spread on site?


    ... yeah!


  • #8140
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    alentejo wrote: »
    No schooling until April at this stage
    Never mind international travel, you will not be able to holiday in Ireland this year - All indoor dining closed. Hotels closed.

    HOW IN GODS NAME ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS ! What in gods name will peoples mental health be link come September?

    I am becoming very worried about the trail of destruction Covid is going to leave society in general at the moment

    the government don't give a ****, pensions sorted, bumper pay sorted and best of all a subdued public who won't say a word in resistance. they have absolutely nothing to lose by dragging this out for as long as possible


  • #8141
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    domrush wrote: »
    You’d think the moderator of the property forum would have a bit more cop on as to how essential it is to see construction restarted.

    Alternatively, said poster has enough cop on to know it's not worth risking a much larger section of the population/economy for the sake of a couple of extra weeks building which would likely come to a very abrupt close anyway.


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  • #8142
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    retro:electro wrote: »
    The same pandemic that hasn’t stopped other countries from closing construction for months on end? The same pandemic that is responsible for virtually zero spread on site?


    ... yeah!

    Which part of 1 or 2 outbreaks on construction sites per week did you miss?


  • #8143
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    You tell me.

    Weekly reports through the end of last year list at least 1 or 2 outbreaks per week on construction sites.

    Opening construction too soon would prolong restrictions for the rest of the country and more than likely a quick reversal of sites reopening.

    they've already basically said we'll be under lockdown into the summer. unless they send the entire population into the chateau d'if for the rest of their lives how can reopening be dragged out any longer ?


  • #8144
    Corby Trouser Press
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    Graham wrote: »
    You tell me.

    Weekly reports through the end of last year list at least 1 or 2 outbreaks per week on construction sites.

    Opening construction too soon would prolong restrictions for the rest of the country and more than likely a quick reversal of sites reopening.

    You’ve been told previously.

    0.6% of outbreaks linked to construction sites.


  • #8145
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    Which part of 1 or 2 outbreaks on construction sites per week did you miss?

    one or two outbreaks out of how many sites across the country? you're leaving out about half the data to suit your argument


  • #8146
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,542 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    ypres5 wrote: »
    they've already basically said we'll be under lockdown into the summer. unless they send the entire population into the chateau d'if for the rest of their lives how can reopening be dragged out any longer ?

    Variants Variants Variants esp the ones we don't know about yet which could be as deadly as ever

    ****ing hate this country atm


  • #8147
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Corby Trouser Press wrote: »
    You’ve been told previously.

    0.6% of outbreaks linked to construction sites.

    holy **** close it all down


  • #8148
    Corby Trouser Press
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    Graham wrote: »
    Which part of 1 or 2 outbreaks on construction sites per week did you miss?

    1 or 2 outbreaks per week.

    Wow.

    First of all, back it up with links.

    Secondly, explain how that is a problem exactly?

    Thousands of sites around the county and 1 or 2 a week is a massive problem ?


  • #8149
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    retro:electro wrote: »
    The same pandemic that hasn’t stopped other countries from closing construction for months on end? The same pandemic that is responsible for virtually zero spread on site?


    ... yeah!

    Construction isn't closed, there was 5 outbreaks in the last week of reported data from the HSPC.


  • #8150
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Boggles wrote: »
    Construction isn't closed, there was 5 outbreaks in the last week of reported data from the HSPC.

    we've already had this non essential construction is closed.


  • #8151
    Corby Trouser Press
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    Graham wrote: »
    Alternatively, said poster has enough cop on to know it's not worth risking a much larger section of the population/economy for the sake of a couple of extra weeks building which would likely come to a very abrupt close anyway.

    Wait, you want an unparalleled EIGHT WEEK long period of restrictions to continue on for longer?!

    To what end?

    Why would we close construction again after reopening?


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  • #8152
    Corby Trouser Press
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    Boggles wrote: »
    Construction isn't closed, there was 5 outbreaks in the last week of reported data from the HSPC.

    You’re another one.

    Already been explained to you before, I won’t bother again


  • #8153
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1361661002258014210
    Curfew in Baden-Württemberg was set aside by Court too last week.
    They can now only curfew locations where infection rates are excessively high.

    https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/gericht-hebt-ausgangssperre-auf-100.html


  • #8154
    Corby Trouser Press
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Was anyone listening to Matt Cooper? I only caught the tail end of a conversation but there was some correspondent on who said that Government weren’t ruling out delaying the reopening of construction until April. Absolute madness! Then that will push non essential retail into May/June. There is absolutely no reason construction can’t open next Monday never mind April

    Subcontractors need to get in their vans and drive up to Dublin ASAP.

    Up early, through the checkpoints in convoy, bring a packed lunch and just turn town into a car park.

    Things need to get physical at this stage, they aren’t listening

    60k approx on PUP and for how long more?!

    It’s costing


  • #8155
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ypres5 wrote: »
    one or two outbreaks out of how many sites across the country? you're leaving out about half the data to suit your argument

    So we open up construction, what's that 250,000 people. Throw in another 100,000 supporting industries and suddenly you've got double the number of people milling around the country on a daily basis.

    Take a wild guess what's going to happen to the number of cases if we do that too soon.


  • #8156
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 522 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    It would be great if more people took this view.

    My kids have been playing with cousins and friends regularly. We are lucky that the other parents have a relaxed view of the whole Covid thing.
    .

    How old are your kids?


  • #8157
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Boggles wrote: »
    Construction isn't closed, there was 5 outbreaks in the last week of reported data from the HSPC.

    Imagine what that figure would look like if we just opened construction completely.

    It would be a classic example of one step forward followed by two very quick steps back.


  • #8158
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    Imagine what that figure would look like if we just opened construction completely.

    It would be a classic example of one step forward followed by two very quick steps back.

    unfortunately the builders have to come back at some point. also what's your basis for your assumptions? another poster has said construction accounted for 0.2% of all cases so i honestly don't know where your getting this idea from.


  • #8159
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ypres5 wrote: »
    unfortunately the builders have to come back at some point

    I don't remember suggesting otherwise.


  • #8160
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    I don't remember suggesting otherwise.

    and why don't you try addressing the rest of my post whenever you're ready because everything you've said about construction is utterly baseless. you made a big song and dance about 1-2 outbreaks in building sites a day out of thousands of sites in the country which is ridiculous


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  • #8161
    Corby Trouser Press
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    Graham wrote: »
    Imagine what that figure would look like if we just opened construction completely.

    It would be a classic example of one step forward followed by two very quick steps back.

    We would have some more cases.

    Everything is a trade off.

    Those items you get delivered to your door involve warehouse and distribution workers actually going to work.

    Takeaway food, factories producing items other then food and medicines, maintenance of infrastructure, etc, etc

    None are absolutely essential.

    All require physical attendance.

    Construction is no different but it has singled out by the Irish govt and the Irish govt alone.

    Nobody else in the world has come out with the nonsense of “non-essential” construction.

    Should never have been restricted.


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